Anyone else feeling annoyed after this video.

Fribles - Lost City
Fribles - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
edited January 2011 in General Discussion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93W-vNx1zoU

Watch this video and look at what the Mystic class will be. They get fast heals, defense buffs, self revives, pets, pet heals + much more. I just want to quit the Cleric I just made 8 days ago now.b:angry
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  • Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear
    Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,161 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Eh. They're still not going to replace clerics in parties, not unless they have as fast and strong as IH... and even then I think people would still prefer a cleric.
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  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Fribles - Lost City wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93W-vNx1zoU

    Watch this video and look at what the Mystic class will be. They get fast heals, defense buffs, self revives, pets, pet heals + much more. I just want to quit the Cleric I just made 8 days ago now.b:angry

    Clerics still have the best Buffs, strongest heals and of course more direct attacks.

    Clerics will stil own the world as most needed class, I wouldnt worry about Mystics taking over.

    Howver, in GV those aoe skills could make for a useful 6th member instead of it not really mattering who it is.
  • Saiyori - Dreamweaver
    Saiyori - Dreamweaver Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I don't think it will be an issue. I have a cleric myself, and mystics cannot blue bubble, nor can they stack ironheart or rez multiple people, all of which are necessary for most dungeons. They might substitute for a cleric occasionally but mostly seem to be a dd/heal support class not a replacement healer.
  • Segomo - Dreamweaver
    Segomo - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    What we're seeing is a sort of...rehash of what happened when the Tideborn came out I think.

    Mystics have some of the same skills as clerics, and some of the same as venos. If history has taught us anything, it's these skills will be okay, but won't be able to completely overshadow cleric and veno skills. Even in that video I noticed they point out downsides.

    - Mystics won't be able to spam heal as well if they have to worry about transferring mana to their summons
    - Mystics heals might not stack like cleric IH, making it less effective for pre-boss and pull battles
    - Mystics Summons always come in with half HP, meaning luring won't be "as" effective as with a veno (lets just overlook the genie pulls for now, those can sometimes get dangerous).
    - Mystics don't have cleric's BB, RB or spammable buff and debuff skills. In all honesty BB is one of the most useful skills a cleric has, and no class can copy all the benefits.
    - During the middle of a fight if people die multiple times, the Mystic's buff would have to be cast over and over. As well Cleric Rez is going to save the people far more exp in the long run.

    I don't doubt having a Mystic in a squad will be useful, but just as Wizard's haven't replaced Clerics...and Psychic's haven't, I doubt Mystics will either.
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    There Large AoE heal is about as effective as a psy's bubble of life (AoE heal).

    I do like the (trap-)Pet AoE heal tho. :) Wonder how effective the last one is or it's effects.

    o.o and the abilities of the last summon that stays active for only 20 secs
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  • Southkorean - Harshlands
    Southkorean - Harshlands Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    There Large AoE heal is about as effective as a psy's bubble of life (AoE heal).

    Try AoE Purify AND Heal with Sage version.....and somehow, we STILL can't get squads for FC/Nirvana...
  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    We meaning Psys, right?

    Anyway yeah it isn't much of a difference but I like the idea so far.

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  • Llux - Sanctuary
    Llux - Sanctuary Posts: 798 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Seems like they could definitely be useful as a back up/support with the cleric as well (and not only just if the cleric dies.) b:pleased
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    So long as they can handle regular mobs better than Clerics I don't mind. :P

    Basically what I am hoping for.

    lol that or a lvl 100 skill ~ to Soul Tranfer (HP/MP swap veno skill)
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  • NonameWiz - Sanctuary
    NonameWiz - Sanctuary Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Fribles - Lost City wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93W-vNx1zoU

    Watch this video and look at what the Mystic class will be. They get fast heals, defense buffs, self revives, pets, pet heals + much more. I just want to quit the Cleric I just made 8 days ago now.b:angry

    No sweat, u made a cleric 8 days ago and its 63 now? You can do it again, no worry b:victoryb:kiss
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  • Noskrad - Heavens Tear
    Noskrad - Heavens Tear Posts: 297 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Eh. They're still not going to replace clerics in parties, not unless they have as fast and strong as IH... and even then I think people would still prefer a cleric.

    True. Also, think that the revive skill is a buff which cooldown time is pretty longer than it's duration, and you cannot buff dead ppl, so if the ppl who dies in a squad hasn't that buff on in the moment of the death, a mystic wouldn't be able to revive him/her.

    So yah, they still cannot replace clerics.
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Just checked there self-res auto-buff. The Cooldown is pretty fast say 30 secs ~ 1 min.
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    Def have to say it's a min cooldown. :P imo that will save a lot of time in 2X. I hate dieing and returning to Archosaur.
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  • Noskrad - Heavens Tear
    Noskrad - Heavens Tear Posts: 297 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    What I don't get of that video is... wasn't the whole world map suposed to change after the cataclysm?, what I see in that video is the same Secret Pasage's surroundings we have now with no changes!
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What I don't get of that video is... wasn't the whole world map supposed to change after the cataclysm?, what I see in that video is the same Secret Passage's surroundings we have now with no changes!

    Yeah ... the setting doesn't change much tho as you may see the graphics are redone.

    graphics look ... toonish.
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  • Silest - Sanctuary
    Silest - Sanctuary Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sage Revive. Sage IH.
  • Noskrad - Heavens Tear
    Noskrad - Heavens Tear Posts: 297 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Just checked there self-res auto-buff. The Cooldown is pretty fast say 30 secs ~ 1 min.

    Really? ._. my bad then : /. But I still believe mystics cannot replace clerics.
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    indeed ^ ^

    Ilike Sage Skills for Clerics :L especially the one heal that also has MP recovery.
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  • Ruxal - Harshlands
    Ruxal - Harshlands Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    another class to make wizzies more irrelevant in pve. yay.
  • hellok
    hellok Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    meh they will never replace clerics. Like explained before in the thread clerics are still way better. On the other hand, it seems that they are a better version of venos. If anyone would have to get angry it would be venos not clerics. Overall it is a pretty interesting class.
  • RouxLouka - Dreamweaver
    RouxLouka - Dreamweaver Posts: 511 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Clerics should only worry if the aoe heal summon becomes a bb summon when it becomes sage/demon.
    /quit.

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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    hellok wrote: »
    meh they will never replace clerics. Like explained before in the thread clerics are still way better. On the other hand, it seems that they are a better version of venos. If anyone would have to get angry it would be venos not clerics. Overall it is a pretty interesting class.

    Meh Mystic skill that does about the same as wizzy has a large channel time.

    Cleric is closer but, not replaced in effency.

    Veno ha there summon's start with half HP so luring is harder due to the return will die quicker. As well as no MP for skill.

    Tho the Trap skills seem interesting.
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    Doubt it is that good but, it will make sure the Cleric/Tank not die. :)
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  • Dragono - Lost City
    Dragono - Lost City Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I also have a Mystic lvl 15 already at the Chinese Perfect World they are not that strong as you think.
    Sure they have buffs and a pet and it seems that they are a full cleric and a full veno in one class but that isnt the case.

    Mystics only have some features of the cleric and the venos.
    The buffs of the Mystics are most of the time only self-casting buffs like the Def. Buffs and they only have that one buff and the ones from the pet but they arent strong...
    The summons are not strong enough to solo tank any bosses or mobs but they have a stronger attack on my opinion and also ranged attacks.
    The Mystic heal is like Wellspring Surge and not very strong the AoE heal is like Bubble of Life and also not that strong...
    The only good thing is the res buff for a cleric maybe so clerics dont lose that much exp any longer in instances =)
    But the res is also not like that one from the cleric ^^
    The only really better thing about the summons is Leveling dying.
    The summons dont need to be trained like normal pets they get lvl when you get lvl :P
    Mystic heal can heal a summon and a pet dosnt matter.
    Venos can also heal summons ;)

    So the Mystic is a well balanced class between cleric and veno but it wont replace one of the classes.

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  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    although i doubt the mystic would ever truly replace clerics, I can defintly imagine a 9x FC squad going with a mystic if they get desperate because they cant find a cleric.

    The barb would just have to have a good base hp, maybe use absolute domain, dew of star orb, or ironguard powder to compensate for the lesser healing ability of the mystic. But ultimately I think a FC could be done with a mystic instead of cleric.

    I mean c'mon, I've had to heal for a boss on multiple occasions when a cleric dc'd or died, so a mystic could defintly do it.
  • ClericMD - Lost City
    ClericMD - Lost City Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i only want know why they get selress and clerics dont, we are the one who always lost exp+ money for scroll went all squad died cuz some idiot make something very wrong. I am cleric i learn to live with that but see a new class with that skill make me fell angry...
  • Bun$ - Archosaur
    Bun$ - Archosaur Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i like it

    i hate doing quest over by the wraith gate you step in a puddle and poof pet goes away it's so annoying so it's nice that they can follow you land or air and they seem more technical and require a lot of planning and thinking in order to play where as venos were just "pull", "Bramble", "chi", "Amp" and the pets benefits other players so yay <3

    @ClericMD: :B i know a cleric who uses rez scrolls and dolls when he dies the first time and if he dies again he makes the whole squad goes back xD you're the cleric set the rules
  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    They're still not going to replace clerics in parties,
    What's a cleric? b:question
  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    another downside is that the summon doesn't gain any new moves. (least not that I know of.)
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What's a cleric? b:question

    indeed, I heard parties usually don't need them.
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  • Vorken - Archosaur
    Vorken - Archosaur Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Do we know enough about the mystic's pets to determine their usefulness for luring? What happens with aggro when a mystic pet is unsummoned (or dies)? If the agro does not reset (instead it transfers to the mystic), then Mystics may not be able to pull a single mob out of a pack.
  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The Summons act like Pet cept they are summoned with half HP each time with no MP for skills.

    Throw out summon let it attack re-summon next to you (with half HP, no MP) and re-attack the mob you lured. The summon also don't have 120% attack power.
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