99+ Fist/Axes BM vs Demon/Sage Barb

OHa - Heavens Tear
OHa - Heavens Tear Posts: 24 Arc User
edited September 2011 in Blademaster
Hello Brave PWI Warriors,

I have a question which is bugging me for a couple of month now, and I can't seem to find an answer. I was hoping maybe you kind sirs and ladies could help me out or perhaps just shared your opinion with me.

Here we go:

Let's assume I'm a Demon BM with all - interval gear. Would a Demon BM with 5 atk/sec be able to drop Demon/Sage Barb with the same refines on his HA armor ( 99 gold ). And decently refined Zerk axes. Basically what I'm asking I guess is that,who would drop who majority of the time? I know it depends on skills, who attacks first and other vital factors , overall it is pointless melee vs melee fight , but still it bothers me greatly. I really don't have an answer for that, Demon Barb in tiger form with lunar cape,boots,helm,love up and down , decked out in TT 99 gear should be hitting pretty damn hard, but could he survive nearly perma sparking/stunning Demon BM. ( Not that BM is gonna spark nonstop , but you know what I mean ).

Your opinion?

P.S. I have a high level BM and I am bored, was thinking about rolling a Barb but then again, legacy of a barb kind of fades away after 99+, or does it ?
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    the blademaster probably has the better chance to win seeing as they have masteries + dragonbane to get absurd amounts of crit (seen some go 40-45% even.) the barbarian just lacks the power to even come close to blademaster's damage output in my opinion.

    quite frankly, im never fond of these metagame speculations because there are far too many variables to say 'which ones better!?'
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The only way a 10x BM can kill a 10x Barb 1v1 is with fists/claws.

    Barb at endgame is very broken. Armageddon can one shot just about any class, yet there is hardly anyone else that can 1v1 a late/end game barb.

    Be prepared to spend a considerable amount of cash too.

    Also be aware that some barbs (20-25k+ may not be killable 1v1 at all)
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    The only way a 10x BM can kill a 10x Barb 1v1 is with fists/claws.

    Barb at endgame is very broken. Armageddon can one shot just about any class, yet there is hardly anyone else that can 1v1 a late/end game barb.

    Be prepared to spend a considerable amount of cash too.

    Also be aware that some barbs (20-25k+ may not be killable 1v1 at all)
    i disagree with this conclusion, there was a 100 +5 refine LA veno giving a +10 refine, 4x 10 vit stone, TT100 wielding barbarian a run for his money with a HERC of all things in our west gate a few days back. almost had him too...

    high def/hp targets and high evasion targets can eliminate the threat of armageddon as well sometimes. even with lunar/misty... +100% of **** accuracy is still ****.

    a REAL painbringing end game class to me, is the wizard. those things can boast HA like defenses, unparalleled magic defense and offense, and an arsenal of killer nukes that make even those 20-25k hp barbs quiver in their high tops.

    not to retain off topic, blademasters can make jokes of barbarians with axes and a proper genie as well. seen it done numerous times.
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  • Pervs - Lost City
    Pervs - Lost City Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WR will win 100% of the time. WB>EA,EP,WF end game though.
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  • Wolfgore - Heavens Tear
    Wolfgore - Heavens Tear Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well...consider the fact that barbs can use claws too very effectively...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khUJrDMcJNU

    Plus there is no way a fist BM can kill a decent barb in tiger form, using untistun pots, solid sield etc...

    b:bye
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  • OHa - Heavens Tear
    OHa - Heavens Tear Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    See that is exactly what I'm talking about , provided Barb and BM have the same late game gear, who would win b:surrender

    Wolfgore fight Curse_ or CrimsonX any BM with a gear similar to yours,and make a video or just tell me the results , I would really love to see the results. b:chuckle
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i disagree with this conclusion, there was a 100 +5 refine LA veno giving a +10 refine, 4x 10 vit stone, TT100 wielding barbarian a run for his money with a HERC of all things in our west gate a few days back. almost had him too...

    high def/hp targets and high evasion targets can eliminate the threat of armageddon as well sometimes. even with lunar/misty... +100% of **** accuracy is still ****.

    a REAL painbringing end game class to me, is the wizard. those things can boast HA like defenses, unparalleled magic defense and offense, and an arsenal of killer nukes that make even those 20-25k hp barbs quiver in their high tops.

    not to retain off topic, blademasters can make jokes of barbarians with axes and a proper genie as well. seen it done numerous times.

    Archers have magic attacks, as for the veno, yeah, Barbs are harder for BM than they are for mage or archer, for the obvious reasons.

    Yes, demon stone barrier on an end game mage is just painful to fight. I won't argue that at all.

    I just see BM vs BM and BM vs Barb in group PvP to be mostly pointless....

    OHa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    See that is exactly what I'm talking about , provided Barb and BM have the same late game gear, who would win b:surrender

    BM charm ticks more often, barb charm ticks for more. Unless it's a fail barb with less than 15k hp a BM can easily win. When a barb gets past the 17-18k mark, they become incredibly hard to 1v1. I'm not talking about fighting a Schooled or DragonFang, fyi. lol
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    i have to disagree a little here too, our damage against an HA is a joke unless we get lucky crits / 3x spark. with our mediocre defenses (ask any high end archer, they probably wont break 5-6k buffed def tops) its an easy 2-3 shot should anything connect. drake bash makes my bruthas QQ in pain!

    this especially sucks for those fool archers who enjoy dueling, and their HA opponent starts right in their face. you already know whos going to win...
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    well, if both have good mighty rings and good stones added on the weapons.

    The fister should take it but I dont know for sure.

    Lets say the rings and the stones add a value of 300 per attack on both players.

    the fister will have a dps just for these items on: 300x1.43=423
    while the barb, must likely using Axes
    300x0.83=249


    The funny thing is the most refines, stones, etc. the both toons add on their weapons, make the fists to take even more advantage every time.

    However, some people say that real damage done by fists is way lower due to PWI formulas for PVP.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It will likely come down to sharding. BMs have a specific end game sharding scheme that can differ from the barbarian's, depending on what they wished to emphasize. Because of that, even the same gear and same build, the outcome can shift dramatically.
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  • MALIGNO - Harshlands
    MALIGNO - Harshlands Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The player with the best knowledge of how to utilize all his skills on his arsenal will always win.
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    MALIGNO - Harshlands wrote: »
    The player with the deepest pocket book and able to face roll his keyboad will always win.

    Fixed it for you. b:laughb:chuckle
    Retired

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  • Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver
    Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not true. Dreamweaver has a uber cashshop player named Swordman. All he does is face roll and half the time can't even kill other pkers, its embarrassing. Although to be fair most of us can't kill him either lol.
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    That's too bad. Maybe he should re-roll a wizard....b:victory
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  • oyamajio
    oyamajio Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Comment on this video clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E3Hf4cMyUw

    Mine: End-game for bm is combo, but fist out damage any type of weapon in a single target if you can achieve 4-5 attk/sec, and plus demon spark bm rocks the world. I don't know what's the barb level and hp he has, but considering he's in tiger form and how hard he hits the bm, his hp can be 20k+, or I may be wrong.
  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    oyamajio wrote: »
    Comment on this video clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E3Hf4cMyUw

    Mine: End-game for bm is combo, but fist out damage any type of weapon in a single target if you can achieve 4-5 attk/sec, and plus demon spark bm rocks the world. I don't know what's the barb level and hp he has, but considering he's in tiger form and how hard he hits the bm, his hp can be 20k+, or I may be wrong.

    Charm bars over the HP and MP bar? That seems like a terrible idea to me lol. "Hmm IDK if I'm dying or not, let hope my charm ticks fast enough so I don't die."
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  • saer1
    saer1 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    GZ can any one tell me if the axes BM can be demon or not i just like demon spark and demon def and i am useing axes all say axes for sage but is it bad if the axes bm be demon?
  • CornHilario - Heavens Tear
    CornHilario - Heavens Tear Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    saer1 wrote: »
    GZ can any one tell me if the axes BM can be demon or not i just like demon spark and demon def and i am useing axes all say axes for sage but is it bad if the axes bm be demon?

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Not true. Dreamweaver has a uber cashshop player named Swordman. All he does is face roll and half the time can't even kill other pkers, its embarrassing. Although to be fair most of us can't kill him either lol.

    Sounds like an archer or two on LC. They only really kill people because of the sheer amount of money spent on the game, but are otherwise really horrible. They're really hard to kill though. One of them even likes to tank other people's triple sparks... and he usually wins.
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  • KhaDans - Sanctuary
    KhaDans - Sanctuary Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    is depend on, if any of them have charm on or not if barb have charm they pwn if bm have charm, bm pwn. if they both have charm the game will never ends.
  • budi66
    budi66 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    KhaDans - Sanctuary wrote: »
    is depend on, if any of them have charm on or not if barb have charm they pwn if bm have charm, bm pwn. if they both have charm the game will never ends.

    coolnecrobro b:victory
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    KhaDans - Sanctuary wrote: »
    is depend on, if any of them have charm on or not if barb have charm they pwn if bm have charm, bm pwn. if they both have charm the game will never ends.

    Lol charms dont matter at all. You can get a barbs health down to about 45%, considering the BM is 5.0, he just triple sparks and use OI+Mire and Roar if needed. That would kill the barb considering a lot of barbs dont have absolute domain lol.


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  • Markblack - Harshlands
    Markblack - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    anybody can pls post attribute of r9 BM weapon so i can see attribute all of it so i can see wich is best r9 weap for me pls b:thanks
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Who's this 102 BM on HL that I've never seen/heard of that doesn't know how to use a forum?
  • Abuelmer - Archosaur
    Abuelmer - Archosaur Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    im kinda too late but i was searching in forum for demon bm vs sage bm but WTH


    (WR will win 100% of the time. WB>EA,EP,WF end game though.)


    mean?
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Abuelmer - Archosaur wrote: »
    im kinda too late but i was searching in forum for demon bm vs sage bm but WTH


    (WR will win 100% of the time. WB>EA,EP,WF end game though.)


    mean?

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