Is -channel gear worth keeping?

Lirry - Harshlands
Lirry - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
edited January 2011 in General Discussion
ok, noob question but I was wondering because u have skill which have something like 1.2 sec channel + 1.2 sec cast...now if -channel gear is working ONLY on channeling (not on casting) is it worth it?
I mean if u have rings lvl 58 with -channel and u r lvl 7x should I keep rings or get better ones for my lvl?


thank you

and complete - channel on char is -21% (2xrings, robe, weapon, necklase, belt, wrisguards)
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  • Born_Free - Harshlands
    Born_Free - Harshlands Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    It honestly depends on which class you are if you want -chan or not.
    Psychics and Clerics and Venomancers don't need it so much as Wizards do.


    At the start of the game, you shouldn't worry about it; it's when you hit 70+ that you should really focus on your endgame build and what gear you'd like, how fast you want your channeling, etc.

    I'm not against it, but -chan is very expensive if you're buying it, and hard to get if you're trying to find it. Go with whatever suits your playing style.
  • Lirry - Harshlands
    Lirry - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    thx for answer... I use that gear on veno but I could try it now on wizzie b:thanks
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    As a veno with -66%, it cuts my kill time in about half as well as letting me kill before mobs can pull off a stun (which can help if I'm solo AoE'ing ~50 mobs). It also helps keep my pet alive in extreme situations as well as build up chi faster for Lending Hand or Nova.

    I don't value it on my Wiz as much because:

    1) Wiz is best for continuous AoE (1 time channel)
    2) Steals aggro easier than a Veno (and I can typically steal easy on veno)
    3) MP recovery methods are different on a Wiz
    4) I don't have to keep a pet healed
    5) Hits per kill -more important (saves MP, time, dmg, safety)

    That's not to say that I wouldn't like better channeling in rare moments for things like Morning Dew in a pinch, but I also like to be able to spam Morning Dew on my alt w/o worrying about running out of MP.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Given how much I love my channelling gear and want to marry it, I can only imagine the goopy puddle of glee I would become were I a wizard.

    Channeling rocks.

    Yes, it would rock even more if it hit casting time too - but it rocks a lot right now.

    Is it worth giving up EVERYTHING for? Probably not.
    But it's worth a lot.
  • NiaJade - Harshlands
    NiaJade - Harshlands Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lirry - Harshlands wrote: »
    ok, noob question but I was wondering because u have skill which have something like 1.2 sec channel + 1.2 sec cast...now if -channel gear is working ONLY on channeling (not on casting) is it worth it?
    I mean if u have rings lvl 58 with -channel and u r lvl 7x should I keep rings or get better ones for my lvl?


    thank you and complete - channel on char is -21% (2xrings, robe, weapon, necklase, belt, wrisguards)

    So for veno, channeling means you can heal your pet much much faster, which if they are tanking, I am sure everyone in the party appreaciates.

    For Clerics it would mean the same - cast faster, heal faster....

    * BTW - I was able to tank the bosses in chronos when I got the quests (solo) and the quests for Tideborn and the Chronos key (not the last fb 69 bosses however).
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  • Silest - Sanctuary
    Silest - Sanctuary Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Just have mp pots.
  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You should get as much channeling as posible, without sacrificing defense. There is people who use magic adorns that have -channel. If you wear magic adorns you are missing some potential physical defense.

    Channeling is not easy to get until you get over level90.
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  • Derressh - Dreamweaver
    Derressh - Dreamweaver Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Someone who says clerics don't need -chan obviously hasn't seen a cleric with more than -30%.

    Saw one just yesterday that had about -63%, along with sage magic shell, giving him -83% buffed. It's really a scary sight. b:shocked
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Someone who says clerics don't need -chan obviously hasn't seen a cleric with more than -30%.

    Saw one just yesterday that had about -63%, along with sage magic shell, giving him -83% buffed. It's really a scary sight. b:shocked

    raygan? i think mazsi is at 82%
  • Oblio - Dreamweaver
    Oblio - Dreamweaver Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Raygan? Hax...

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  • Alasen - Heavens Tear
    Alasen - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,874 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    whoever said channeling isn't important for venos hasnt' fully played a veno.....

    Anyway, correct me if i'm wrong, but in that OP... Channeling and casting? there's channeling.. adn cooldown of the skill.. there is no actual casting. right? you CHANNEL your skill, soon as the bar's done you're done and the shot's going at the mob.... while your skill COOLS DOWN. There IS no casting time.. that's the SAME thing as channeling time. right??
  • Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear
    Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,161 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    whoever said channeling isn't important for venos hasnt' fully played a veno.....

    Anyway, correct me if i'm wrong, but in that OP... Channeling and casting? there's channeling.. adn cooldown of the skill.. there is no actual casting. right? you CHANNEL your skill, soon as the bar's done you're done and the shot's going at the mob.... while your skill COOLS DOWN. There IS no casting time.. that's the SAME thing as channeling time. right??

    There is a casting time. If you take a look at the skill description you'll see it underneath the channel time. There's still a little delay as the chan bar reaches the end before the skill actually fires off, and -chan gear doesn't affect it.
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  • Alasen - Heavens Tear
    Alasen - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,874 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    eh ya you're right. Guess there is casting time. but i've never noticed.. my bar hits the end and boom i fire. Then again i've noticed the game can't tell time. There's a bunch of things i've seen that went too fast, but take Holy path. I dont' kow how long mine is atm i'm on a alt cleric (and cleric's CAST time for plume shot is ONE sec), but let's say 6 secs of holy path..... Count it out 1 1thousand, 2 1thousand.. etc etc I got to say 4 secs when i slowed down lmao... tried it like 8 times in case i burp lagged.... lol and last couple times i used the stopwatch on my phone. same thing.
  • Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear
    Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I <3333 my -Channeling on my Cleric... Love love love love it. Only problem is I can go through a whole Platinum MP charm or 400 Pots a day -.-;;; depending on what I am doin.

    For my veno, the - Channeling is worth it for tanking and healing, but I odnt have Channeling but 30% on my Veno so I don't know the full benefits of it.
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  • MistaBwanden - Sanctuary
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I <3333 my -Channeling on my Cleric... Love love love love it. Only problem is I can go through a whole Platinum MP charm or 400 Pots a day -.-;;; depending on what I am doin.

    For my veno, the - Channeling is worth it for tanking and healing, but I odnt have Channeling but 30% on my Veno so I don't know the full benefits of it.

    Forgot to mention macros **** up sometimes too with enough channeling. x.x
  • Raygan - Dreamweaver
    Raygan - Dreamweaver Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There is a casting time. If you take a look at the skill description you'll see it underneath the channel time. There's still a little delay as the chan bar reaches the end before the skill actually fires off, and -chan gear doesn't affect it.

    This is true, when it comes to spells you still have a cast time even if you have 100% channeling, but its really cool once you break about 85% channeling your spells start to twitch sort of like 5 aps. Right Now I'm at 91% channeling with all my gear on and when I cast my spells I twitch and get about 3 spells off by the time the game does the animation for one. So only got 9% more to go and I cant wait, Love that channelingb:victory
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Raygan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This is true, when it comes to spells you still have a cast time even if you have 100% channeling, but its really cool once you break about 85% channeling your spells start to twitch sort of like 5 aps. Right Now I'm at 91% channeling with all my gear on and when I cast my spells I twitch and get about 3 spells off by the time the game does the animation for one. So only got 9% more to go and I cant wait, Love that channelingb:victory

    can you post your gear with pwcalc?
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  • Raygan - Dreamweaver
    Raygan - Dreamweaver Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »
    can you post your gear with pwcalc?

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=78cf019e71f09845 This a link of my full channeling gear on pwi, just made it real quick.
  • MasterShi - Dreamweaver
    MasterShi - Dreamweaver Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Jesus, why are u LA?
    for boots only?
  • Obly - Dreamweaver
    Obly - Dreamweaver Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Yes, the cleric on Dreamweaver called mazsi_two is around -62% channelling on her own, with her channeling buff, her Tempest is pretty much instant.

    So channeling does make it all go alot faster, Channeling is basically APS for Arcanes.
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Raygan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=78cf019e71f09845 This a link of my full channeling gear on pwi, just made it real quick.

    i know LA cleric can be awesome at lower levels but past 100? :<

    awesome channeling stuff that glaive u have is hax...b:laugh
    why don't you go for tt99 arcangel set bonus?
    only alternative would be -9% oht wrists b:surprised

    my veno is only at 34%...b:laugh
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  • Raygan - Dreamweaver
    Raygan - Dreamweaver Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    MasterShi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Jesus, why are u LA?
    for boots only?

    I have full La set of armor which is my regular armor, I was just showing you my channeling armor which I switch to when I DD and I wouldn't make the 2 tt 99 pieces just for 3% more, I think my channeling is pretty good right nowb:pleased
  • Mraochan - Lost City
    Mraochan - Lost City Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Love my -ch gear... makes up for lag, gets me 4 heals (or attacks) to others' 3... on my veno and cleric. Faster is always better... till you run out of mana, which can be a small problem. b:chuckle
  • NiaJade - Harshlands
    NiaJade - Harshlands Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Oblio - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Raygan? Hax...

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    WOW!!!!!!!

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  • Raygan - Dreamweaver
    Raygan - Dreamweaver Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    NiaJade - Harshlands wrote: »
    WOW!!!!!!!

    (making a copy of this for my I WANT pile)....

    Btw .. where do those shards come from?

    those are stone of savants, you know the shards everyone put in their armor for +10 vit, well if you put them in your weapon it gives extra channelingb:shutup
  • burnedlama
    burnedlama Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    wow, ppl are throwing a massive fit over 4-5 aps, but casting classes can get that kind of atk speed o.o...
    i think if 4-5 aps gets nerfed channeling also needs nerfing.
    atleast casting classes dont have to chase everything down like melee classes do XD
    bad enough wizzies already get a instant casting skill that can be paired with pk pot to instant cast and hell fury with that kind of channeling time is atleast 15 sec of instant cast XD
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited January 2011
    -channeling gear removes cast by a small percent, and is more noticable the more of it you have.

    ..unless pwi broke that too. but i can notice it with the -37% on my cleric.
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    as Born_Free orignally said, it depends on how you want to build your char endgame.

    A common build for wizards endgame is the -chan demon wiz, and +crit% sage wiz.

    The reasons being that the demon wiz is better with dps, whereas the sage wiz is more built for that big knockout punch.
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    burnedlama wrote: »
    wow, ppl are throwing a massive fit over 4-5 aps, but casting classes can get that kind of atk speed

    you sir, are an idiot. if I had 100% crit rate AND -100% chan, my dps would still be noticebly less than 5aps

    So lets not pretend that the current highest -78% chan coupled with a 15(?)% crit is anything near the dps of aps.

    And mele has to chase down targets? Um 5aps is PvE oriented, and bosses have a tendency to stand in 1 spot...

    and tbh 5aps isnt that amazing in PvP by itself, but chain stunning with axes and auto attack with 5aps while target is locked can be deadly...

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