Nob/Pole question

Kwilinai - Sanctuary
Kwilinai - Sanctuary Posts: 15 Arc User
edited January 2011 in Dungeons & Tactics
Do you think a 86 BM could tank nob and pole with only a 84 cleric for support (keeping in mind that the cleric also has to look after the rest of the squad from the AOE)?

A. For sure, don't sweat it.
B. Possibly, if.....
C. What dumbass suggested this?

Personally, I thought it would be a bad idea, and like all bad ideas it would end badly (the squad broke-up so it never happened). However, I was thinking that maybe if the cleric spam-healed non-stop and managed to purify perfectly every single time before a hit came in the BM just might live. What do you think?
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  • teirii
    teirii Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    My vote: B!

    I am, currently, a level 85 cleric. When I was 83 and 84, I healed one or more BM's tanking nob/pole as well as the whole squad, sometimes solo and sometimes with the aid of another cleric. It takes a LOT of paying attention, knowing where your skills are and when to hit each. The biggest deciding factor in whether this is possible or not is the BM's hp. If the BM has low hp (less than 4k), this becomes very difficult without a second cleric. Also, it depends on the boss. If nob, then solo-cleric heal on a BM is absolutely possible. With pole, it becomes a major issue if the squad is "squishy" (mostly arcane classes or low-life/low-defense characters). Thankfully, I've found that IH'ing as much as possible, purify when necessary, and one or two stream of rejuvenation, and it all works.

    Of course, mind you, my heals are all now maxed to level 10. I don't use much -channel (-6% in total), and I have all my skills arranged in a manner that work for me and make it workable no matter my situation.
  • Kwilinai - Sanctuary
    Kwilinai - Sanctuary Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for the input. I have seen a number of barbs die from nob/pole as well as 90+ BM's go down for the count during BH 69 runs so it is interesting to hear that it is possible for a 80-something BM to tank them. During my last BH 69 run I saw a 8x BM steal aggro and get 2-shotted in a blink of an eye so I still have my doubts about the wisdom of using a 8x BM to tank but if you say its possible.......

    Anyone else have any experiences to share?
  • Derressh - Dreamweaver
    Derressh - Dreamweaver Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    It's definitely possible, but it does definitely depend on your HP and how good your squad is.

    I remember a bh run where a BM with 3k HP tanked Pole. Granted, we had an amazing cleric, and two psychics (one being me) willing to stand in suicide range with white voodoo interrupting the debuff along with the BM, and using Absolute Domain whenever he did get the debuff to give the cleric a couple seconds to get it off of him.

    I suffered a few charm ticks, but it was an awesome run. b:cute
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i think a well equipped fist bm would be able to tank it.
    especially with bloodpaint. dark flash's debuff would help too


    and yeah i would certainly hope a bm would have more than 4k hp at lvl 85...

    my fist bm has about 3.9k hp and he is lvl 63... and still doesn't have his bracers of blood moon yet or a tome. so thats a bit more hp i could have
    i can tank all the bosses in fb 51.

    i can even tank wyvern under a BB without pruify. although its scary as sh*t

    it all depends on the cleric and the bm.
    other things like impowered vigor from Psy or hp buff from barbs will make this even easier.

    although if u had a barb in the sqaud i dont think we would be talking about this anyways.

    but its possible to have previous buffs.

    so yeah, under the right conditions its doable
    Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
  • NiaJade - Harshlands
    NiaJade - Harshlands Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Kwilinai - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Do you think a 86 BM could tank nob and pole with only a 84 cleric for support (keeping in mind that the cleric also has to look after the rest of the squad from the AOE)?

    A. For sure, don't sweat it.
    B. Possibly, if.....
    C. What dumbass suggested this?

    Personally, I thought it would be a bad idea, and like all bad ideas it would end badly (the squad broke-up so it never happened). However, I was thinking that maybe if the cleric spam-healed non-stop and managed to purify perfectly every single time before a hit came in the BM just might live. What do you think?

    The question would be - can the cleric survive the aoe... It really is the aoe that packs that wallop.

    If cleric has fast cast, good level healing/purify, good defense... dunot know
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ive seen late 8x fist BMs do just fine against Pole/Nob provided....

    1.) They time their cancels or spark resists the debuff as much as possible
    2.) The cleric is good at healing and purifying when necessary
    3.) The rest of squad supports the duo and heals themselves.

    When I was 8x, we had a run wherein a 87 fist BM was the tank, cleric only supported him, rest of the squad kept themselves alive by using potions/genie skills/apoth/hp foods/charm.
  • KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear
    KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Yes it's very possible.I was on my archer with two other archers,and one blade master level 82 a veno and a 99 cleric ( the cleric had awesome gears).Though desperate to do wraith gate bh since the barbs were extinct that day..we let the bm be the tank..I said I had faith. In him mainly because of the cleric lol.
    Though it took a little longer to take own pole and nob we did it flawless,and us archers had to basically pulse shoot the whole time because of the fear of aggro switching.It was a site to behold at the time and I love when crazy situations like this occur it makes the game very interesting to me.
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  • Taichii - Lost City
    Taichii - Lost City Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    A this is no sweat at all
    for one cleric should only be healing tank and him/herself and the other squad members look after them self.. its only aoe if ur good enough it wont kill u
  • StacysMum - Dreamweaver
    StacysMum - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Bit late but meh. You can almost instantly nullify the debuffs on the tank by purifying when nob/pole channels (lvl 7+ purify recommended). When you see a ring of fire appear under the bosses feet just hit purify. My usual combo is 3 IH wait for channel, purify, 3 IH etc. Carry crab meat, if anybody in the squad are squishy give em some lol, better than having to solo squad heal, always a risk you might get the timing wrong (never assume they have hp pots, always ask, and if you are kindhearted give em some). Any average BM lvl 80+ can tank so long as the cleric is a clever cookie. On a personal note don't assume everyone knows what to do, if you do know what to do then lay down the plan. Things usually go to pot when people rush things. Purify on every boss channel, do not rely on interupts alone.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Bit late but meh. You can almost instantly nullify the debuffs on the tank by purifying when nob/pole channels (lvl 7+ purify recommended). When you see a ring of fire appear under the bosses feet just hit purify. My usual combo is 3 IH wait for channel, purify, 3 IH etc. Carry crab meat, if anybody in the squad are squishy give em some lol, better than having to solo squad heal, always a risk you might get the timing wrong (never assume they have hp pots, always ask, and if you are kindhearted give em some). Any average BM lvl 80+ can tank so long as the cleric is a clever cookie. On a personal note don't assume everyone knows what to do, if you do know what to do then lay down the plan. Things usually go to pot when people rush things. Purify on every boss channel, do not rely on interupts alone.

    this +100

    tanked pole all the time at 8x never had an issue unless they cleric was 1/2 tarded
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    This is one I'm not looking forward to on my BM b:chuckle I'll deal with it when she gets there, I guess. b:pleased
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  • TsarBomba - Heavens Tear
    TsarBomba - Heavens Tear Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    It's perfectly do-able. Just make sure nobody steals aggro - you *might* be able to res them and keep the BM alive, but don't count on it.
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  • Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear
    Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    If the bm has AD then it can be done as easy as hell if he uses it at the right time. If the bm is lvl 85+ with gorenox vanitys you shouldnt have to worry about aggro. If the cleric can purify at the right time then it should go ok also, but having a psy in squad would be a great help cause of empowered vigour (if the psy has lvl 10) the bm will get 20% extra healing from skills, 30% from pots and a 3 second decrease on the cooldown of charms. Although if the bm was a bit nervous about it he could get apoth such as ironguard powder 12 second immunity to damage but also stuns user for 12 seconds (only in a extreme case because the stun will *** up the aggro) there is another apoth that makes you immune to damage for 6 seconds and doesnt stun but i forget the name of this one. Probably the best thing to do though is just have a nice pro cleric, look a bit harder for a barb, or hope the bm can tank, or only take a bm if it is charmed or if there is a sin in squad. Hope this helps you
  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Bit late but meh. You can almost instantly nullify the debuffs on the tank by purifying when nob/pole channels (lvl 7+ purify recommended). When you see a ring of fire appear under the bosses feet just hit purify. My usual combo is 3 IH wait for channel, purify, 3 IH etc. Carry crab meat, if anybody in the squad are squishy give em some lol, better than having to solo squad heal, always a risk you might get the timing wrong (never assume they have hp pots, always ask, and if you are kindhearted give em some). Any average BM lvl 80+ can tank so long as the cleric is a clever cookie. On a personal note don't assume everyone knows what to do, if you do know what to do then lay down the plan. Things usually go to pot when people rush things. Purify on every boss channel, do not rely on interupts alone.

    this.

    you seem to be a smart cookie yourself, and play on my server. we should squad some time :)

    btw, the method you mentioned is exactly what my sister cleric does (or did) when we used to do pole/pyro. which i tanked myself at 70 with only 7k HP in tiger form, her solo healing/purifying.
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  • Muie - Lost City
    Muie - Lost City Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Tanking pole is not hard at all. Just use Alter marrow physical,and all should go just fine.

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