Venos and Pets and Amp in FC

i use a pet to tank the bosses, auto attack shades while i aoe and lure the bishops if no sin is in squad

pwi should make an AoE skill for pets, that would get veno's back as regs in FC squads


edit: forgot to mention i also use it to build chi by spamming heal

^^ what language do I choose for google translate? -there wasn't a stoop'd option.

There are a lot of things a Venomancer can/should do in FCC but most of them out there just press their skills and run when they need to save their lives. They are either too lazy or never learnt how to play this game (as well as control their pets).

Toxie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well I don't know if it's because I have a veno and know how to play it, or what, but I notice the laziness most with venos than any other class.

I wasn't trying to rag on you, and I did say that it's possible that it's easier to see laziness in venos. I'm just venting a common frustration with laziness overall.

Maybe I'm lucky 'cause when I'm in FCC with other veno we both use amp/myriad like crazy. On mobs, on bosses and of course pets are always with us. Even at 'running boss', trick is just to call fast running pet to you ;p And of course nobody want kill hands at exp room so it's my job too.
Anyway DDs very like when I amp/myriad and extreme poison sometimes even say 'thanks'. But I really never met veno who didn't do that.. More often I see lazy sins which run to bosses and wait there for squad..

Myriad isn't always great if the cleric isn't being lazy. -Just something to keep an eye out for, though most clerics don't bother with their seals there.

Toxie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Been doing a lot of FC on cleric lately, and am wondering why venos don't seem to use pets anymore in FC. I can understand not using a pet that will get 1 shot on aoe from a boss. But why keep it stowed the rest of the time?

Also, very rarely do I see venos amping the bosses anymore. When I asked one veno why she said she hadn't leveled it very much. Okay well...SOMETHING is better than nothing.

My main is a veno and I have never much liked the people that didn't want to take a veno on FC cause they were "low dd's", because of everything else they brought to the table, like amp, and bramble, and lending hand. However I'm very reluctant now to party with venos, unless they know what they're doing.

Quit being lazy. b:surrender

They are called fail venos >>. It is THOSE venos that are the reason I can't get in FCC groups. As they are MANY MANY of them -,-. THANKS FOR MAKING ME LOOK BAD.

You AMP and EP(and tangling mire too..oh and the rainbows, oh and ironwood) for MORE DAMAGE.

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I guess this class requires a degree in rocket science. Since most now that are rushing to 100 don't know how to ****ing play it.

I personally don't use my herc when I do fcc runs except when I need to tank bosses or do anything else that requires me to take the herc out. I tend to use my debuffing pet (Kowlin) or none at all because I find it distracting sometimes and normally, Frost runs go by fast (in my experience, anyways).

Although I compensate this by making sure I DD, Amp, Myriad, keeping tank/HA dds brambled, passing sparks and purge the last boss. So far, no one has complained to me about not using a pet. I mean, I take out my pets when necessary and pull them back when it isn't. b:cute

Did we ever sort out the "Soul degeneration causes xp reduction!" shouting? Because that's alegit reason to not use it. (As is not having it, and not being level 92, I guess)

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Did we ever sort out the "Soul degeneration causes xp reduction!" shouting? Because that's alegit reason to not use it. (As is not having it, and not being level 92, I guess)

Yes, it was tested and settled long ago with archers. There has been nobody to prove this false, and continuous tests show the validity of this assertion.

The venos who made the contention against this never showed up to back up their claims, particularly Gwendolynne, to give their results of their so-called soul degen tests. Unsurprisingly, they were wrong. I have, countless times, taken archers and sage venos aside to show them the effects of their max hp debuffs, and every single time, it's the same thing. This is also something you can always test yourself.

Take 3 same exact mobs (no status effect like weak or inc life or sac assault, they give diff xp values) with enough XP value to be different with 20% xp difference

- Kill it 3 times without sage soul degen
- Kill it 3 times with sage soul degen

You will see the difference.

Note that with sage soul degen, again, for the max hp reduction effect to be maximized, i.e. hp loss, it is done right from the start. If sage soul degen is done when the mob is below 80% of it's max hp, it has no useful effect on max hp (you will still see temporary max hp show up, regardless of current hp value), and does not reduce xp, but only does the usual soul degen effect of stopping hp regen rate instead of both stopping hp regen and loss of hp.

It's really only in FC where sage soul degen's XP nerf is enough to make a difference; I would think that in TT, BH, FB etc. (where the XP gain from the boss is very minor) and especially on world bosses (where the HP decrease is very substantial) the speeding of boss kills would take preference over the XP nerf.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's really only in FC where sage soul degen's XP nerf is enough to make a difference; I would think that in TT, BH, FB etc. (where the XP gain from the boss is very minor) and especially on world bosses (where the HP decrease is very substantial) the speeding of boss kills would take preference over the XP nerf.

This. But also when you get into higher level grinding, it even makes a difference on mobs. (Mainly instances where they're elite or the increased life variety.)

The only time it isn't useful is when you are specifically going for exp (FF) or the hp of your target is low enough that you can make up the damage in the time it would take you to cast SD.