Is fox form necessary?

Sulvain - Dreamweaver
Sulvain - Dreamweaver Posts: 41 Arc User
edited January 2011 in Venomancer
I'm able to take it. But I'm told not to as I'll never use it since I'm full magic. If its crucial that I need fox form I'll take it but I don't wear LA or HA. I'm arcane roabs and such. But I am having an absolute blast with my veno. But most think I'm a girl ><. I tell them I'm a guy but they don't believe me. What do I do? b:victory

If I do need fox form. What skills will I use if any?
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  • Lilanella - Heavens Tear
    Lilanella - Heavens Tear Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I know that purge and amplify damage are both great skills that people appreciate on bosses. Those are really the only ones I've used, so I'm not sure.
  • Toxie - Dreamweaver
    Toxie - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Yes you will need fox form if only to use skills such as amplify damage, and purge.

    And who cares if they believe you're a guy or not.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    right from the start --- as soon as you run into mobs or bosses that take longer to kill than amp damage lasts on them --- you'll need amp damage. get fox form for that alone.

    you might want purge as a prerequisite for later fox tree skills, if you decide to explore them. but i haven't needed to use purge in actual (PvE) gameplay yet, so i wouldn't level it up before lvl60 or so --- at the earliest --- if i were you. i hear it's useful in PvP though, so if you decide to go whitenamed you might want it earlier.

    when folks mistake me for a woman, i politely correct them once just so nobody will think i've been leading them on or deceiving them somehow. if they persist in using female pronouns after that, meh, it's not like that's any insult. people don't believe you? their loss, not like it really matters.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    To add to what everyone has said;

    I also use Leech and Befuddling mist. I went that far to upgrade to demon,too. They have saved my life a couple of times and sometimes it's just fun for me to play in fox form even if I'm arcane. In combination with my protection/HP ornaments I can get a decent physical defence even without buffs. Decent enough to keep me alive.

    Generally speaking, fox form and its skills are half of the full potential of a Venomancer. The way you use them is up to you.
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  • Shulkie - Dreamweaver
    Shulkie - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,529 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    you will need purge later on in game to remove various bosses self buffs. also in TW/pvp purging is a great way of helping your squad take down foes - particularly the cata barbs

    also stunning blow (one of our few stunning skills) is a fox form one
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    There's a few early mobs (the hedgehog type) that bramble themselves, and you can use purge to get rid of that. Heck, you can even use it to get rid of increased-attack buffs which some mobs use incredibly early on.

    It's not really needed though until you get to bosses that use those buffs. When you hit those you will be reallllly glad you maxed out purge.

    Amp you MUST max out as soon as you posisbly can.

    Foxform you need the one level of, the other two levels are optional, but cheap. And who doesn't like the ability to gain a chunk more defence in a hurry?

    I personally realllllllllly like some of the foxform skills (and I am an arcane user). I didn't at lower levels, but later on I find myself staying in fox more and more often. So eventually you'll probably want the fox stuff.

    Early on though - prioritise your basic attacks - venomous and ironwood - first. Foxform stuff is on the "I need this, but later" list.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    That's funny! Because you are pure mag: you'll want foxform even more.

    To get close to the pdef that foxform gives me: I'd have to put a garnet gem in all 4 sockets on every one of my equips.
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  • Sulvain - Dreamweaver
    Sulvain - Dreamweaver Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Thanks for all the replies. Just dinged 19 and got my glacial walker finally. :) I think a friend is going to give me her herc since she is quitting. I finally got through to that guy that I am infact a guy lol. I had him look up my facebook lol. He was like my apologies.

    Another question I had was the pet skills such as heal, revive and tame beast. Do I want to level those?
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sulvain - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Thanks for all the replies. Just dinged 19 and got my glacial walker finally. :) I think a friend is going to give me her herc since she is quitting. I finally got through to that guy that I am infact a guy lol. I had him look up my facebook lol. He was like my apologies.

    Grats on the level. I hope your friend hasn't changed her SoF into a pet egg yet, it's tradable up until the ticket stage and then bound when you make it an egg. :S
    Sulvain - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Another question I had was the pet skills such as heal, revive and tame beast. Do I want to level those?

    Heal you'll want to max ASAP. Revive is good to keep levelled if you let your pet die, some people get by with level 1 (although this gets dangerous and can be costly at high levels.)

    Don't level tame beyond level 1. Just don't. People will tell you to level it for rare pet taming, but as a former rare pet tamer, I really don't see much benefit from having it levelled. The only noticable difference I see is it becomes much more costly to tame pull. If you're dead set on taming rares, use -chan gear, apoth, and/or genie skills.

    Good luck and have fun. :)
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Heal absolutely, revive when leveled speeds the channeling and reduces mana cost, so nice to have.

    Most suggest leaving tame beast at level 1 to minimize mana cost, but leveling it does give you more range when you use it for luring. Mark this very low priority to level.

    As for your friend giving your veno her herc, I'm afraid it's impossible. Only the ticket is tradeable, once you convert it to an egg, it's forever bound to that account.
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Most suggest leaving tame beast at level 1 to minimize mana cost, but leveling it does give you more range when you use it for luring. Mark this very low priority to level.

    I'm pretty sure we tested this and found that the text saying the range increased was incorrect.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=316831&highlight=tame+range
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The text says the range doesn't change; I just tested it with another veno on the same mob (my level 6 vs. her level 8) and her tame definitely had more range.
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The text says the range doesn't change; I just tested it with another veno on the same mob (my level 6 vs. her level 8) and her tame definitely had more range.

    Interesting. Maybe this changed in one of the updates since the other thread?

    Just for sanity's sake, I'll test level 1 vs level 10 when I get home.
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I just retried the tame + earthflame test on the snowmen in arch. Unless there is a difference in earthflame's range on different genies, tame has a range of 25 meters at both level 1 and level 10.
  • SinLotus - Dreamweaver
    SinLotus - Dreamweaver Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Personally, a few years ago when I played PW Malaysia I kept fox form, but with my run on this Veno in PWI I haven't even purchased fox form. I'd say fox form is useful for underwater battles, but you can always have a water pet. With this character I've been full arcane and have enjoyed it plenty. I'd say it's up to you. I like the money that I'm able to save by not purchasing a row of the skill tree and I haven't really found a need to buy fox form yet. I'm no expert but I think it's beneficial to choose to stick to full arcane or go for full foxiness in terms of power and money.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    SinLotus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Personally, a few years ago when I played PW Malaysia I kept fox form, but with my run on this Veno in PWI I haven't even purchased fox form. I'd say fox form is useful for underwater battles, but you can always have a water pet. With this character I've been full arcane and have enjoyed it plenty. I'd say it's up to you. I like the money that I'm able to save by not purchasing a row of the skill tree and I haven't really found a need to buy fox form yet. I'm no expert but I think it's beneficial to choose to stick to full arcane or go for full foxiness in terms of power and money.

    Be banished from my sight!

    Although, well, at the level you're at you're probably still fine.

    But if you don't have fox form you can't amp. And if you can't or won't amp bosses then you should not be allowed to exist.
  • gelnd
    gelnd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    It's relatively cheap in the long run to level up fox form (it's only 3 levels anyways), and the extra def is definitely worth it even for pure arcane venos, for those "oh ****" situations where ya need to get away from something hitting ya hard. Not to mention there are certain skills that can only be used in fox form... again, even for an arcane veno, some of these can come in handy (leech for a handy hitpoint steal, and keeping bosses amped and purged is generally considered one of a veno's main duties in squad runs).
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I just retried the tame + earthflame test on the snowmen in arch. Unless there is a difference in earthflame's range on different genies, tame has a range of 25 meters at both level 1 and level 10.

    I could have sworn that the other veno had a greater range when I tested, but maybe I didn't start beyond max range that time. Here's the results when 2 of my alts with different level tames tried to tame the same mob, starting beyond max range:

    Level 3 tame

    Level 6 tame

    It appears that both are taming at the exact same point.
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I could have sworn that the other veno had a greater range when I tested, but maybe I didn't start beyond max range that time. Here's the results when 2 of my alts with different level tames tried to tame the same mob, starting beyond max range:

    Eh, some times my character appears to be in one spot and is really in another (happens frequently to me, actually). So that coulda been what happened to you.

    As far as getting fox form goes, technically it isn't necessary. But neither is a pet or a weapon for that matter. You can chose to not get it, but you'll be severely handicapping yourself.

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