Pure Magic Veno? Or cap vita at 90?
Pennince - Lost City
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Right now im at 90 vita and I was talking to some one who said that pure mag venos are alot better. What do you say?
Which ones better for pvp and pve? Thanks
Oh and is the damage offset that big?
Which ones better for pvp and pve? Thanks
Oh and is the damage offset that big?
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pure mag venos hit harder, but have a harder time standing up to hits. which is "better" depends on your playstyle.
i stopped adding vit when i was at 46 base, simply because i realized i wasn't dying much any more, and when i was it was usually because i had screwed up somehow and knew it. with equipment adds, i'm at 56 vit now and seldom really need it. then again, i'm pure PvE, i really don't know what's needed for PvP --- i'm sure i'd get flattened in no time if i went around whitenamed.
i haven't added vit in ages now, and my mag attack is getting up there to where i have to be careful that i don't steal aggro by accident. but that's okay --- it's easy enough to slow down my damage dealing to generate less aggro; ramping it up from its max would be harder. over the levels as i've been adding mag and not vit, it's become noticeable i'm doing more and more damage myself, and the aggro stealing's become steadily easier. so yeah, it does make a difference --- if i were to restat five or ten vit into mag, i'm sure i'd notice a clear difference.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »pure mag venos hit harder, but have a harder time standing up to hits. which is "better" depends on your playstyle.
This and your budget. Refines, shards, and gear swaps will all influence your survivability and your damage output.
Although from my experience, I'd say that 90 vit is more than sufficient.0 -
Really now.. NINETY vit?
I have 64vit with 460 mag and I survive just fine..0 -
Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »Really now.. NINETY vit?
I have 64vit with 460 mag and I survive just fine..
I have minimum vit and I survive just fine.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
I have 5 vit and survive just fine.0
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in pvp as pure veno- u will die pretty fast, cuz u need 2 put hp in gear XD-but if u gona PVE GO PURE mag! xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
QQ If i did Crazy stone at 3x AND not 6x, i had been lvl 105 now!
Didnt know about Bh/CrazyStone before lvl 6x LOL0 -
Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »in pvp as pure veno- u will die pretty fast, cuz u need 2 put hp in gear XD-but if u gona PVE GO PURE mag! xD
How fast is fast? Absolute Domain + Feral Concentration makes you invincible for ~13s which is far more time than it's taken me to get most of my kills. (Kill faster with pure)Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
b:chuckle lol pure venos have no pdef, think about ironwod + amfy + bleed :P lol whats left XD not all wnat 2 waste coins on pots that cost 5k each or take 5hr 2 make <.<*[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
QQ If i did Crazy stone at 3x AND not 6x, i had been lvl 105 now!
Didnt know about Bh/CrazyStone before lvl 6x LOL0 -
Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »b:chuckle lol pure venos have no pdef, think about ironwod + amfy + bleed :P lol whats left XD not all wnat 2 waste coins on pots that cost 5k each or take 5hr 2 make <.<*
the things tweakz mentioned are easily obtained genie skill & lvl 79 venomancer skill that costs round to 2 million only , pls read carefully and dont be so biased on ur opinions which a lot of times .... are wrong[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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as for PvP i prefer vit build...
almost 8k hp buffed...with crappy tt90 green pants/top and some oht gears with pdef adds partially unsharded&unrefined...b:laugh
i am to lazy to upgrade my gears...b:surrenderi am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss0 -
I restatted 50 vit points to magic not too long ago. It gave me about 1k extra mag attack.
Now I'm wondering how on earth I managed with killing so slow b:surrender
I'm still left though with about 50 points to restat which are in dex and some in vit. Imo the vit wasn't really worth to have, at least not in pve...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Pennince - Lost City wrote: »Right now im at 90 vita and I was talking to some one who said that pure mag venos are alot better. What do you say?
Which ones better for pvp and pve? Thanks
Oh and is the damage offset that big?0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »You're on a PVP server so your survival isn't just dependent on when you willingly go fight mobs, which is likely why the other, pure venos are saying they have no issue surviving. I would take the advice above all from those who are on the same type of server I am. Unfortunately pretty much every person telling you to go pure is on PVE, while pretty much everyone on a PVP server is telling you put into vit. While I personally prefer pure if I'm gonna go just caster-type veno, I'm also not on a PVP server.
This will just create yet more pvp that follow the faith in vit. There's still a lot of PvE going on on PvP servers and there are pure mag PvPers that make 1 shot of those vits.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
This will just create yet more pvp that follow the faith in vit. There's still a lot of PvE going on on PvP servers and there are pure mag PvPers, which spend crazy amounts of time and money, that make 1 shot of everything, while being a 1shot themself.
fixed for the sake of PvE servers...b:chucklei am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss0 -
Since you are on a PvP server Vit is quite important however keep in mind that your equipment can give you much more HP through adds/refines/shards and thus you can put more into Mag. I'd suggest you to see what HP you can get from your equipment at lvl 90 and then decide whether you should restat or not and if yes, then how much.
Remember than Venomancers get 12HP per vit point so you can do the maths and see how much HP you'll lose by removing your Vit points or you can simply play with the pw calculator.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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in my opionion pure mag venos have trouble when they steal agro but get a wolf and add 3 elemental bashe and regular bas and max em and u will nvr take agro even if ur a dex veno like me the dex helps kill way fast plus helps against pker not alot tho it helps alittle im more 4 the insane crit i hand out to monsters with my wolf keeping agro0
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Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »fixed for the sake of PvE servers...b:chuckle
You funny. There are plenty of ways to increase HP, not so much Mag or Matk. Wasting stat points on vit is about the worst way to increase HP for casters. Citrine shards, and +HP ornaments cost us same as Barb / BM, gives us same HP as Barb / BM. -Vit doesn't. We're also not tanks. We don't round up the large number of mobs, and we don't have aggro skills. If we make you a one shot by making ourselves a one shot: you're still a one shot, and we still gain in PvE faster which means we can nullify that one shot you supposedly have on us by playing while you have to cash shop to keep up. Even if you're not one shot, we have better chance of getting through your charm. At least Barbs have an atk skill that bases dmg off HP.AngelitOs - Harshlands wrote: »in my opionion pure mag venos have trouble when they steal agro but get a wolf and add 3 elemental bashe and regular bas and max em and u will nvr take agro even if ur a dex veno like me the dex helps kill way fast plus helps against pker not alot tho it helps alittle im more 4 the insane crit i hand out to monsters with my wolf keeping agro
Steal aggro from non legendary pet on a non elite mob? -Should be able to kill before mob reaches you! Play a wiz and learn some benefits of casting.
Dex does not help kill way fast; you gimp your overall dps for a few more spikes here and there that are way lower than the spikes you get as pure mag. You lose mdef, mp recov, max mp, and reliable pet healing. You're better off using a pataka if you want spike dmg.
Why do we see archers being requested so much? Because they don't have idiots running around their forums convincing them to go AA or HA. Archer's range dps is NOT that impressive. It's more that fail builds for casters are so prevalent.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
90 vit is too much. I had 50 vit until lvl95 then restatted to pure mag (now 5 vit). I still have around 5200 HP UNBUFFED. I can kill most mobs with Ironwood-Venomous-Lucky combo without my Herc... lol I wanted to see if I can grind in Hell without pets and mobs can't even reach me. x) If you can afford good gear with citrines and refines, go pure mag. If not, get some vit but not more than 50.0
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You funny. There are plenty of ways to increase HP, not so much Mag or Matk. Wasting stat points on vit is about the worst way to increase HP for casters. Citrine shards, and +HP ornaments cost us same as Barb / BM, gives us same HP as Barb / BM. -Vit doesn't. We're also not tanks. We don't round up the large number of mobs, and we don't have aggro skills. If we make you a one shot by making ourselves a one shot: you're still a one shot, and we still gain in PvE faster which means we can nullify that one shot you supposedly have on us by playing while you have to cash shop to keep up. Even if you're not one shot, we have better chance of getting through your charm. At least Barbs have an atk skill that bases dmg off HP.
Steal aggro from non legendary pet on a non elite mob? -Should be able to kill before mob reaches you! Play a wiz and learn some benefits of casting.
Dex does not help kill way fast; you gimp your overall dps for a few more spikes here and there that are way lower than the spikes you get as pure mag. You lose mdef, mp recov, max mp, and reliable pet healing. You're better off using a pataka if you want spike dmg.
Why do we see archers being requested so much? Because they don't have idiots running around their forums convincing them to go AA or HA. Archer's range dps is NOT that impressive. It's more that fail builds for casters are so prevalent.
save your lectures tweaks...never said stating vit is the best way to get but imo the cheapest way...
go and grind some mobs for money, kill some worldbosses or whatever you do on your pve server...b:byei am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss0
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