Element shards on fists.

Kayllan - Harshlands
Kayllan - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
edited December 2010 in General Discussion
Well I asked some friends who use fists with shards element lvl11 and they said it's better than Garnet shards against Heavy / Light chars, this is really true? because it works on private server, but what about here?
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Short answer: No

    Long answer: G11 elemental shard only adds 150 elemental damage. The value from those stays constant whether you spark or not. To factor in the PvP reduction, 150/4 = 37.5. Then that number further gets reduced by the elemental resistance of the target, even if it's HA. So you can see, that almost does nothing. Garnet on the other hand, counts as weapon damage, so gets multiplied by your DEX. Weapon multiplier = DEX/150 + mastery + buffs. So even unbuffed, you should have a mutiplier of 3.6 to 4. That means each garnet shard actually adds 3.6 to 4 times the damage of its face value. When you triple spark, each garnet then is counted 5 times to your damage, since spark gives 500% weapon damage. Even with G8, each shard becomes about 280 damage, which is around 70 after PvP reduction. Now HA has a higher resistance to physical damage so in the end, both kinds of shards (G11 elemental vs G8 garnet) might do the same damage on HA, garnet is much better when you PvE.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Your normal attacks - which as a fist user is most of them - will get that amount of element-based damage added to them; and yes, HA and LA users typically have a lot less magic defence than they do physical - so yes it will deal them damage.

    The flip side is that skills which boost based on a multiple of your physical damage will NOT get that boost, so they will be that much weaker.
  • Kayllan - Harshlands
    Kayllan - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    hmm another question, which is better?

    +7 g8 Striking dragon fist or +5 g11 Striking dragon?
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Kayllan - Harshlands wrote: »
    hmm another question, which is better?

    +7 g8 Striking dragon fist or +5 g11 Striking dragon?

    The difference between +5 and +7 is 76 damage, while the difference between 2 G8 and G11 shards is 86. So a pair of +5 with 2 G11's will out damage a +7 with G8's.
  • _Fuzz_ - Lost City
    _Fuzz_ - Lost City Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    so your saying if i put water dmg shards in my wepon and used a wiz buff , water dmg pots, or Condensed Thorn the dmg would still be minimal toward HA/LA opponents?

    also can you prove to me w/ evidence that the element shards are uneffected by sparks.

    off topic a bit:
    using a veno, would wood dmg shards be effective w/ the wood dmg mastery while attacking in fox form. the wood mastery does not say skill dmg only, just magic wood.
  • Kayllan - Harshlands
    Kayllan - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    you mean +7 g8 is equal +5 g11?
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    _Fuzz_ - Lost City wrote: »
    so your saying if i put water dmg shards in my wepon and used a wiz buff , water dmg pots, or Condensed Thorn the dmg would still be minimal toward HA/LA opponents?

    also can you prove to me w/ evidence that the element shards are uneffected by sparks.

    off topic a bit:
    using a veno, would wood dmg shards be effective w/ the wood dmg mastery while attacking in fox form. the wood mastery does not say skill dmg only, just magic wood.

    What does water shard have to do with other buffs? Since you can still get wiz buff or water pot or Condensed Thorn with garnets. Having water shards doesn't amp the other buffs. In the contrast, having water shards actually means you don't get as much buff from Condensed Thorn since it doesn't increase your weapon damage.

    Why don't you just logic it out why elemental shards doesn't get amp by sparks? Spark adds XX% weapon damage. Your weapon damage is physical. If you add garnet, you can actually see your physical damage change. Elemental shards are not physical so doesn't contribute to your weapon damage, so when spark adds XX% weapon damage, the shards are left out.

    Kayllan - Harshlands wrote: »
    you mean +7 g8 is equal +5 g11?
    No... +7 with G8 shards will do less damage than +5 with G11.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    _Fuzz_ - Lost City wrote: »
    using a veno, would wood dmg shards be effective w/ the wood dmg mastery while attacking in fox form. the wood mastery does not say skill dmg only, just magic wood.

    I don't know this one. The difference would be pretty minimal, but it should be possible to try it out over a lot of attacks and average out the difference to check it.

    The easiest way to test would be to stick a low fire shard in a weapon and a low wood shard in an identical weapon and go whack on mobs that aren't strong/vulnerable to either type.

    Shards certainly don't affect your skills - but the damage IS wood type and so, in theory, should be boosted by that skill. It depends how it's been set up really.
    You'd still be looking at a really tiny amount of damage though.
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    _Fuzz_ - Lost City wrote: »
    off topic a bit:
    using a veno, would wood dmg shards be effective w/ the wood dmg mastery while attacking in fox form. the wood mastery does not say skill dmg only, just magic wood.

    Wood Mastery only affects magic attacks. That is why venos also get Melee Mastery.
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