Genie for my Wiz

Honestly you really don't need a genie completely designed around defense. More than likely you'll find what works and be using all your energy on the same few skills. I would recommend you have something on your genie to combat occult, and domain doesn't count. Occult is spammable (80 energy 15sec cooldown) and you will probably need to deal with it more than once every 3 minutes. ToP, wind shield, second wind, aquaflame armor etc aren't really going to be enough to protect you for 6 seconds from an interval char. I don't really like expel as a counter to occult either because of the energy requirement. You also need to worry about being stunlocked for the entire physical immune duration and being screwed anyway. I ended up just getting fortify and badge on my genie. Both are fairly spammable and I really don't have trouble staying alive as long as I don't get caught in a stun.

Other than my two anti stun skills, my genie also has holy path and wind force so I can get away if I need to. The rest of my survival relies on dropping for half damage, charms, pots, blink, FoW, etc. I really don't feel like I use domain very often (usually only when I'm dealing with 3+ people focusing me out). I can't really see myself wasting more genie energy on many other genie survival skills because the only time I die is when I mess up, my genie is out of energy or something of the like. Never really had a time where I wished I had something else.

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmm...interesting thoughts. They were very helpful, but what about using occult ice to counter occult ice? Freezing both in place assuming that it wasn't used on me when my opponent is right up close.

How much vit and mag did you alot to you genie, Adroit?

Don't quote me on this, but I think you cannot use ice when you are stunned. If Im wrong then you could use it as a counter, but I'm pretty sure you'll just be standing there unable to do anything.

My genie has 3str 74dex 60vit 45 mag. No genie gear atm. I basically wanted 45 mag b.c that was the most I could put in before it started taking 2 points per. I figured I'd want around 90 dex for my final genie (badge and genie spark need a lot of dex.. with genie gear I should hit 90 dex) and the rest went into vit. I'm really happy with my genie.

101
Disipline
88/100 LP

windforce 1
Holypath 10
Fortify 1
Badge 10
Domain 10
Spark 10
Frenzy 10

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

Eesh, I thought ice was a simple freeze. Is it similar to the water DoT from the second boss in FCC (without the damage aspect)?

similar, its essentially a stun with a different icon (so it can overlap with normal stuns)

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

Adroit, do you find expel and badge on the same genie redundant? I was thinking about it and you basically use it in the same situations, so you have to choose one anyway.. And Badge seems the smarter reson. Only reason I see to take Badge along with Expel is if you use expel vor PvE Purposes in combination with DB... But that's about it.

They can be kinda redundant, just depends what you do the most of. I really like badge to deal with a stun, takes quite a bit less energy and I'm almost guaranteed out of a stun (been stun locked through the entire duration of expel a couple times). Expel isn't as great dealing with stuns just because it isn't spammable, but it definitely has its uses. Probably my favorite thing you can do with expel is use it while you are already sealed (like from a bm's smack or sin's throatcut) and get the 8+ second physical immune and you are only sealed for 1-2 of those seconds. It's also nice when you are in zhen for obvious reasons.

You're just going to need to prioritize skills for your genie based on affinities and what are most important for you. I loved extreme poison, but I eventually decided to ditch it for badge because I felt I needed a defensive skill more than I needed an amp (greatest decision ever btw). I'd love to throw expel on my genie, but I just can't bring myself to lose any of the skills I have right now, I feel like I've got something to deal with just about any situation.

Yeah dude, I used to have 70dex on my genie too (worked just fine). But when I bumped it up to 80 and put all lvl4 compassion (dex) genie gear on, to get a total of 100dex, that spark debuff is killer. I see 5 digit hits almost all the time, especially in conjunction with undine. Though I don't know if it reduces the fire res to 0? 100 dex @ - .7 fire res reduction per dex point + the 30base fire res reduction @ level 10? It calculates to 100% reduction, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm this? I'll have to try when I get home.

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like that setup, Arc, although I think I've chosen for myself:
Holy Path
Absolute Domain
Expel
Extreme Poison
Badge Of Courage
Fortify
Occult Ice


I know itll have to have a lot of lucky points, but does this set seem logical?

2 problems I'm seeing.
#1 you'd need an 81+ LP genie that is at least lvl 103
http://astersite.webfreehosting.net/pw/genieskillplanner.html#skills=1e27363b3f5153

The other obvious problem is that badge needs a ton of dex, occult needs a ton of str.. and you really can't have both on the same genie. You could potentially ignore vit/mag on your genie and have decent str and dex, but anybody that just focuses on one will go circles around you because they can use their genie so much more often.

Lately I have been thinking about removing Domain, because it has a long cooldown, uses up a lot of energy and has therefore pretty limited uses. It might be a good idea to get Cloud Eruption instead. I find the skill set

Holy Path
Frenzy
Spark
Badge Of Courage
Fortify
Cloud Eruption

Pretty good in theory, along with either 60 or 90 dex (would need some testing there, but 6 seconds anti stun for 40ish energy sounds pretty nice). The combination would need a 101 genie tho, if I calculated correctly.

Use this genie planner to figure out what will work on your genie.

@Aren I think your genie would be fine for most situations as long as you know how to kite. The only real problem I see is that you don't have anything to deal with a sleep. Sucks when a cleric catches you with sleep when you aren't full, 3x spark cloud and tempest for an almost guaranteed bypass. I was seriously considering dumping domain on my genie for wind shield (figured it'd be great with my dex genie), but I don't feel like that 27% damage reduction would really be enough with my current gear. If I were ever able to get like 6-7k hp unbuffed I'd almost definitely get wind shield instead of domain. I was also seriously looking into faith, but it didn't really have the right affinities to work with my other skills, and it obviously takes a huge chunk of energy whenever you use it.

I'm not sure what cultivation you are planning on, but if you go sage you probably won't need/want to be using precious genie energy on cloud b/c you'll have so much already. Just a thought :P

I am going to be sage. But I loved having CE on my TW genie on Xegeth, who was sage as well... But I guess that is because in TW u wanna throw a lotta ults lol.

And yea, cleric and wizard sleep could really be a problem.. But then again domain has a far longer cd than cleric sleep, so it's not a permanent solution. Wind Shield sounds good because it's another low energy skill that works well with a genie that's not pure mag/vit.

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

I am going to be sage. But I loved having CE on my TW genie on Xegeth, who was sage as well... But I guess that is because in TW u wanna throw a lotta ults lol.

And yea, cleric and wizard sleep could really be a problem.. But then again domain has a far longer cd than cleric sleep, so it's not a permanent solution. Wind Shield sounds good because it's another low energy skill that works well with a genie that's not pure mag/vit.

lulz I had no idea u were Xegeth :P

But ya, wind shield would probably be the next skill I'd put on my genie if I opened up a slot xD