Cascade Glow Greaves VS Lionheart Greaves

BloodOutlaw - Harshlands
BloodOutlaw - Harshlands Posts: 10 Arc User
edited January 2011 in Blademaster
I was looking at both leggings, i noticed that Cascades gives alot more Pdef and Mdef. But the Lionheart has that +4% add on, just wanted to know the pros and cons on both. (ie cost and PVP wise)

Thanks b:pleased
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  • googleman19
    googleman19 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I think the Cascade is better because the +4% addon is only good if you wear the full set.
    And the Cascade also looks cooler b:laugh
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The lunar nirvana is slightly better fully buffed, but debuffed or unbuffed the 4% isn't affected. All in all, it doesn't really matter a whole lot.
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    The lunar nirvana is slightly better fully buffed, but debuffed or unbuffed the 4% isn't affected. All in all, it doesn't really matter a whole lot.

    SO if it doesn't matter much, it would be best just to get lionheart since it's cheaper?
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    SO if it doesn't matter much, it would be best just to get lionheart since it's cheaper?

    Not that cheapness matters much for endgame gear, but since almost everyone goes tt90 it makes alot more sense to go Lionheart since there really isn't one that's "better" and Lionheart is much more available.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Me go lunar because it's easier to farm and it doesn't bind so it can be traded between other characters.
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    hh version has npc armour defenses and looks lame

    lunar version has unmatched defenses and has the best armour model ever released in pw

    hh-td2.jpg
  • Ben - Raging Tide
    Ben - Raging Tide Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I suppose if you go for those greaves specifically, you are attempting to build up your interval..
    A full nirvana set doesn't allow you 2nd nirvana fists and 5aps (unless you get 2x -.05), and also require that you get Pan Gu or Love: Up and Down to retain it with fists or claws that stat with -0.1.

    If you go for a full nirvana set eventually, go for TT -- otherwise go for lunar.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    Ben - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If you go for a full nirvana set eventually, go for TT -- otherwise go for lunar.

    where's the argument to support this? those def% mods on the hh set are worthless lol
  • Ben - Raging Tide
    Ben - Raging Tide Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You get +16% gear defense from a full set.
    Do your own calculations.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    false. you're getting +4% defense for that piece, and only that piece. so, according to my calculations you insist i do:

    lionheart armor:
    pdef: 1,569
    mdef: 671

    with mods:
    pdef: 1,632
    mdef: 698

    cascade:
    pdef: 2,092
    mdef: 895

    the only reason i could see anyone using the hh version is because they had hh99 pieces already, like most before the release of nirvana.
  • BloodOutlaw - Harshlands
    BloodOutlaw - Harshlands Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Thank you all for your inputs it was much appreciated. I now know which leggings to spring for b:victory
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Get TT... because I have lunar and I hate seeing more and more BMs with them. GTFO b:angry
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    false. you're getting +4% defense for that piece, and only that piece. so, according to my calculations you insist i do:

    lionheart armor:
    pdef: 1,569
    mdef: 671

    with mods:
    pdef: 1,632
    mdef: 698

    cascade:
    pdef: 2,092
    mdef: 895

    the only reason i could see anyone using the hh version is because they had hh99 pieces already, like most before the release of nirvana.

    Your numbers are wrong.

    Unbuffed without pants:

    pdef: 6118
    mdef: 3449

    When I put them on:

    pdef: 8425
    mdef: 4276

    For a difference of:

    pdef: 2307
    mdef: 821

    PWCalc shows a difference of 300 pdef and about 38mdef in favor of lunar nirvana. So, it's not really right either.

    Record your number before and after removing your pants while you're unbuffed so we can compare real numbers.
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    it's different whilst wielding them, as strength acts as a multiplier of your defense. i was merely speaking of base defenses of the armour, where that mod only effects what that individual piece of armour gives(which is also multipled by strength, but it only adds up to roughly 1 point of defense per str point from armour)

    i could say something like this:

    (str * 1) + (base armour defense + (str * 1))
    (300 * 1) + (1345 + (300 * 1))
    300 + 1645
    1,945 defense for those pants

    sound closer?

    edit: shouldn't have said base str, it multiplies from your total str. fixed.
  • Admante - Dreamweaver
    Admante - Dreamweaver Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lunar better but more expensive. If you can afford the extra $$ without trouble, get lunar.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lunar is actually cheaper if you farm it during 2X. Including all the costs of opening the instance, chip and fee for the cheap gold mats and Mother's Auras, it only cost me around 40 mil for lunar gold chest and legs.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Lunar chest is actually cheaper than Lunar pants and HELLA cheaper than an HH99 Chest by the going rates of Earth Essences @ about 2M each on Sanc.

    Lunar chest only needs 2 Earth Essences, 4 Mother Auras, 1 Chromatic Tinder, 2 Unknowns vs 2 Illusion Stones... Lunar Chest like 10-15M worth to farm vs 40M from HH99 Top.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Earth ess for 2 mil on Sanc? Are they nuts? *Farms Lunar and sells on Sanc*
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    essence is worth 2m.. each? jesus christ. i'm glad i farmed all of mine. price is hella different in utopia.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Yeah Earths are 2M ea here, they were 3.5M ea before 2x. Cash shoppers here all go lunar nirvana pants but don't know how to do lunar.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    it's different whilst wielding them, as strength acts as a multiplier of your defense. i was merely speaking of base defenses of the armour, where that mod only effects what that individual piece of armour gives(which is also multipled by strength, but it only adds up to roughly 1 point of defense per str point from armour)

    i could say something like this:

    (str * 1) + (base armour defense + (str * 1))
    (300 * 1) + (1345 + (300 * 1))
    300 + 1645
    1,945 defense for those pants

    sound closer?

    edit: shouldn't have said base str, it multiplies from your total str. fixed.

    No clue.

    My defenses with it are just fine... actually better than many. 11.2k/11.8k fully buffed with mmarrow... I'm happy.
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  • Suaver - Raging Tide
    Suaver - Raging Tide Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    This has been a huge debate on Raging Tide server across a number of people.

    I found this thread out of searching for what the actual +4% bonus infrastructure of TT Nirvana provides.

    Considering the fact that +4% is only to each piece's own defenses (both m and p), unless you have full set of TT Nirvana, which seeing as how APS reigns king so no one will do, Lunar is the way to go.

    I guess I have the benefit of the doubt of some help from people like Ben before I ever made enough money in this game to farm and make this set.

    Standing with no rings and demon bm buff+level 10 cleric buffs I'll be 17k pdef having Nirvana 1st top (lunar), Nirvana 2nd bottom (lunar/for interval), 5 aps, TT99 HA boots/wrist, and 99 LA orns.

    Far passing that of similar gear to my sage buffed counterparts.
    and in fact I got my lunar gold top for 20m off World Chat and spent similar amounts to farm the lunar gold pants.

    I saved a huge amount of money and got higher ratings. You tell me.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Suaver - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This has been a huge debate on Raging Tide server across a number of people.

    I found this thread out of searching for what the actual +4% bonus infrastructure of TT Nirvana provides.

    Considering the fact that +4% is only to each piece's own defenses (both m and p), unless you have full set of TT Nirvana, which seeing as how APS reigns king so no one will do, Lunar is the way to go.

    I guess I have the benefit of the doubt of some help from people like Ben before I ever made enough money in this game to farm and make this set.

    Standing with no rings and demon bm buff+level 10 cleric buffs I'll be 17k pdef having Nirvana 1st top (lunar), Nirvana 2nd bottom (lunar/for interval), 5 aps, TT99 HA boots/wrist, and 99 LA orns.

    Far passing that of similar gear to my sage buffed counterparts.
    and in fact I got my lunar gold top for 20m off World Chat and spent similar amounts to farm the lunar gold pants.

    I saved a huge amount of money and got higher ratings. You tell me.

    17k pdef? Your mdef must suck horribly. +10 8jun oneshot. lol

    Still, nobody with comparable gear has actually compared to equipped/unequipped. I still think the 4% is total and not per piece.

    With lazy refines, I'm at 11.2k pdef and 11.8k mdef with mmarrow.... how about you? :p
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