Question about sage/demon skills

Sakubatou - Sanctuary
Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Cleric
Picking Sage/Demon and just don't want any surprises so I'm clarifying things:

1. Who does demon IH recovers the targets mana, not yours, right?
2. When ecatomb says 20% more chi, they mean 20 chi right? ie. demon wellspring gives an additional 20 chi? sage Stream gives 30 chi? And an additional 20 chi on a skill the already gives your 10 chi would be 30 total from wellspring, right?
3. Demon SoR, Demon Wellspring,
4. I think I remember sage Magic Shell and Vanguard Spirit glitched so it didn't give chi to both parties. Did that ever get fixed?
5. Demon Wield Thunder, does the metal resistance pdef count towards the wield thunder damage, or only attacks after it?
6. Sage Spirits Gift, does the mana go to you or the target? Demon Celestial Guardian Seal gives mana to the cleric only?
7. Doesn't really matter, since how often will you have two clerics in a squad, but since my ig wife is planning on going sage I thought I might ask, does Sage Vanguard defense boost stack with demon SoR defense boost? 200% incresed defense would be awesome.
8. Sage Plume Shell "always absorbs 85% of incoming damage." Does that still only apply to physical damage?
9. Anyone have a link or know how the +25% metal mastery bonus compares damagewise to the 2% crit increase?


.... Think that's almost all my questions, lol. Thanks. b:bye
Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
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  • lylfo5
    lylfo5 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Picking Sage/Demon and just don't want any surprises so I'm clarifying things:

    1. Who does demon IH recovers the targets mana, not yours, right?
    Yes
    2. When ecatomb says 20% more chi, they mean 20 chi right? ie. demon wellspring gives an additional 20 chi? sage Stream gives 30 chi? And an additional 20 chi on a skill the already gives your 10 chi would be 30 total from wellspring, right?
    not sure, the chi increase is insignificant though
    3. Demon SoR, Demon Wellspring,
    4. I think I remember sage Magic Shell and Vanguard Spirit glitched so it didn't give chi to both parties. Did that ever get fixed?
    nope, it only gives chi to target, so you need to cast it on yourselfto get chi

    Demon Wield Thunder, does the metal resistance pdef count towards the wield thunder damage, or only attacks after it?
    I think it counts for the attack itself.
    6. Sage Spirits Gift, does the mana go to you or the target? Demon Celestial Guardian Seal gives mana to the cleric only?
    only the caster for sage's, only the target for demon's
    7. Doesn't really matter, since how often will you have two clerics in a squad, but since my ig wife is planning on going sage I thought I might ask, does Sage Vanguard defense boost stack with demon SoR defense boost? 200% incresed defense would be awesome.
    Same buff icon, so i dont think it stacks
    8. Sage Plume Shell "always absorbs 85% of incoming damage." Does that still only apply to physical damage?
    Yup, only physical.
    9. Anyone have a link or know how the +25% metal mastery bonus compares damagewise to the 2% crit increase?
    You can do your own calculation.


    .... Think that's almost all my questions, lol. Thanks. b:bye
    answer somewhere in the wall of text./
  • Mrvate - Heavens Tear
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    1. Who does demon IH recovers the targets mana, not yours, right?
    2. When ecatomb says 20% more chi, they mean 20 chi right? ie. demon wellspring gives an additional 20 chi? sage Stream gives 30 chi? And an additional 20 chi on a skill the already gives your 10 chi would be 30 total from wellspring, right?
    3. Demon SoR, Demon Wellspring,
    4. I think I remember sage Magic Shell and Vanguard Spirit glitched so it didn't give chi to both parties. Did that ever get fixed?
    5. Demon Wield Thunder, does the metal resistance pdef count towards the wield thunder damage, or only attacks after it?
    6. Sage Spirits Gift, does the mana go to you or the target? Demon Celestial Guardian Seal gives mana to the cleric only?
    7. Doesn't really matter, since how often will you have two clerics in a squad, but since my ig wife is planning on going sage I thought I might ask, does Sage Vanguard defense boost stack with demon SoR defense boost? 200% incresed defense would be awesome.
    8. Sage Plume Shell "always absorbs 85% of incoming damage." Does that still only apply to physical damage?
    9. Anyone have a link or know how the +25% metal mastery bonus compares damagewise to the 2% crit increase?

    1. Demon IH recovers target mp not.
    2. It means 20% chi so demon wellspring gives you 12 chi. Not sure on Sage stream, but pretty sure its the same.
    3. I really don't know what you were asking on #3.
    4. You're thinking Demon vanguard and magic shell. And they only give chi to target.
    5. The resistance de-buff does not work on the wield thunder, so its only on attacks after the wield thunder. Also a note on it, if you use wield thunder again while target is de-buffed, metal de-buff will not overwrite.
    6. Sage spirits gift gives mana to Caster, Demon CGS gives mana to target.
    7. No they do not stack.
    8. It is still only physical dmg.
    9. It would work as simple math assume base dmg is 100 so average dmg over 100 attacks would be.
    Demon (120 x 103)/100= 123.6
    Sage (125 x 101)/100= 126.25
    So sage metal mastery is better as far as DPS is concerned (NOTE: this is just metal mastery, if you want best culti for DPS, it does depend part on gears and build. Only in my vague memory do I remember this being discussed, overall Demon wins until you get into very high refines).

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