Just Wondering: Worth it to Restat?

Galox - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Hello,

I've been LA since a really low level, and now I'm starting to get closer to 90, I've been thinking;

Is it really worth it to restat to arcane? It will cost quite a bit in reset scrolls, something which I'd want to grind for in-game. Out of interest, I made a quick level 101 LA Wiz build. Some things are expensive; others, like the chest, very cheap. If I am aiming for this build, do you think I will be able to make the money for it in-game, in a reasonable amount of time?

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5d6d31a30a15c9ec

Also, does anyone have any idea how long it takes for the average veno to grind their hercs in-game?

tanks,

~Gal

HexOmega - Dreamweaver · December 2010

if u dont reset on lvl90 you reset at 95 like some others who regret making LA 90 gear
hitting nothing and getting hit tons

and your build is Nowhere near to cheap

the weapon alone: g15 nirvana and mag attack below 10k? :P
1,8mil per rapture x 200(?) + tt99gold weap??

i daresay my own gear/build was cheaper then the one in ur build:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=70c669c4cab6ab36
and look at the difference in HP and pdef xd

(i dont have demon stone shield - but u used it in your build too xd)

edit: fixed now :P

MetroPak - Raging Tide · December 2010

Woow Just want to say i never expect an LA wizard has such low mag resistance. As an LA wizzy u not only squishy to physcal dam but magical damg
^^ geez stay away from LA, if u want crit then roll archer which is a way better class that designed for LA. ^^ i hate it wen i see a LA wizzy with a - int wrist lol

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · December 2010

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if u dont reset on lvl90 you reset at 95 like some others who regret making LA 90 gear
hitting nothing and getting hit tons

and your build is Nowhere near to cheap

the weapon alone: g15 nirvana and mag attack below 10k? :P
1,8mil per rapture x 200(?) + tt99gold weap??

i daresay my own gear/build was cheaper then the one in ur build:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=70c669c4cab6ab36
and look at the difference in HP and pdef xd

(i dont have demon stone shield - but u used it in your build too xd)

to play devils advocate: his weapon doesnt have the random stats.

OP: i highly suggest r8 since it's dirty cheap. but yeah i would agree that the build looks.. weak

Galox - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Ahehe, didn't realise how expensive the weapon actually was. But I'm not sure if rank8 will still be cheap by time I hit 100 (IF I ever hit 100)

So, if I DID restat (and rank was still cheap), would something like this be sensible to aim towards?

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b8d5afaaa0c06794

I can only guess at the prices of this, but..

@ I already have the helm, but it's only +2 at the moment,
@ Cape costs around 4.5mil last time I checked. Thats ok-ish for price I'd say
@ Attendance Ring is free. The other looks expensive, however. I could swap it with the rank ring, though? (If it provides one)
@ TT90 gear looks cheap enough, a few mil per piece?
@ Tome is cheap, I think it would cost anywhere 1mil+
@ Necklace and Belt I'm really not sure about; I have no idea if there expensive or not. If they are, I suppose I could swap it out for some 3stars?
@ Also, toned down the refining to +4, which I heard can be done without D.Orbs.

So, is this any better than my previous fail, or does it still need quite a bit of work? (Not sure if you class TT90 as endgame gear, but I've heard things like the TT99 chest cost 50mil+. Thats a little too much for me

)

MasterShi - Dreamweaver · December 2010

/facepalm at your first build...
with a small correction:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=6d2d47e56906cc63
if you really want some extra vit:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=65605dc0e8227634
not more than 50 , having more will just ** up your dmg output

and BTW, endgame wizards need refine for pdef and HP. If you can't afford any, roll something else or you will die to a sneeze.
That rank8 weapon should be +10 the minute to got it
Top should be at least +7, same with the pants u get from rank8.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=019faa1c0d04eed2

I like this build more:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d5d60bcb8259ff4c and buffed http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=82f35c81a3b274dc
True, more expensive, but at least **** dies before it gets to you. Next step: buy a cube pdef necklace.
With wizards there is no 2 way about it. You need to kill or you get killed. Survival is not wizard strong point, his strong point is to drop someone before it even tries to hit you.
And believe me, that last build will ont hit ****. OFTEN.

BTW, this was my wizard about a year ago: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e0382adce2301826. For some reason, I'm missing about 200 HP...dunno from where.
and this is how that build would change with a ran8 at +10.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8cd6295e8cda3295. Just look at the dmg gain.

prof · December 2010

hh99 chest is worthless for mg(ridiculously flamboyant on males, too), just get rank and use that top

your original plan had gear of a much higher grade, which makes me believe you don't really understand the gear you're trying to choose between? you are, after all, only 78. you should be actually leveling, not thinking about those levels.

if all you do is think about them, you'll never get to them.

that being said, i'll think for you.

the necklaces, first. why? what does it give you? nothing. get a hp necklace.

wrist, you must have never tasted cast. go buy these. ignore the post above mine, don't waste your money on hh90 gold. go straight for 99 gold.

the adorn: why? it's low grade. is it because of the mod on it? if it is, i understand. at your level i, too, thought it was a very valuable iten. then i got some more levels and learned about grades and refining rates. moral: that adorn sucks later, don't plan to use it forever. consider:
Ethereal - best defensive adorn, i do believe. the only comparable is g16 warsoul adorn, gl getting that.
Lionheart - gives crit, str, and vit. this is probably one of the more common choices i think? fairly easy to obtain.
cv adorn - just gives slightly more pdef than lionheart, that's about it(grade higher).
warsoul - most popular pay2win adorn.
Aeolian - my adorn.

rings, attendance isn't end game imo. mg needs cast, that ring doesn't give it. if you get rank 8, i suggest using its ring as it's a cheaper alternative. but at least 1 cv ring would benefit you.

cloak, is fine. consider aiming for cloud charger or a lunar cloak, though. there's more upsides to cloud charger than just its mods, too. the cloak is auto 4s, could potentially be cheaper than other options just because you don't need to buy socket stones.

helm, is fine. i'd use this forever as a mage, but if you ever feel you cast fast enough, the 95 event helmet is the best.

the boots should be hh99, as should the wrist.

pants, why do you want to wield hh90 at level 100? this seems common in heaven's tear, and i don't understand it. is it a pve server thing? you have no threat, so why bother? b:surrender use those rank 8 pants, at least.

vit, why so much? cap at 50, at least.

and finally, stones

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

not only are you using g7 stones in what you considered to be 'end game', but you're using all pdef! that's like.. the opposite of good.

conclusion:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c39bee38801a58b3

i remember when i broke 7k pdef self buffed, good day b:cry

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · December 2010

Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hello,

I've been LA since a really low level, and now I'm starting to get closer to 90, I've been thinking;

Is it really worth it to restat to arcane?

Yes. But get your rep for Rank 8/Rank9 now, I can't imagine it will get much cheaper, but it might get more expensive.

I'm guessing with the next patch we will get full rank 8 gear like tideborn, so just skip all the TT gear, imo. Just use the legendary molds and OHT stuff though your 90s and get to 100 as soon as possible.

Pearlwood - Lost City · December 2010

prof wrote: »

hh99 chest is worthless for mg(ridiculously flamboyant on males, too), just get rank and use that top

your original plan had gear of a much higher grade, which makes me believe you don't really understand the gear you're trying to choose between? you are, after all, only 78. you should be actually leveling, not thinking about those levels.

if all you do is think about them, you'll never get to them.

that being said, i'll think for you.

the necklaces, first. why? what does it give you? nothing. get a hp necklace.

wrist, you must have never tasted cast. go buy these. ignore the post above mine, don't waste your money on hh90 gold. go straight for 99 gold.

the adorn: why? it's low grade. is it because of the mod on it? if it is, i understand. at your level i, too, thought it was a very valuable iten. then i got some more levels and learned about grades and refining rates. moral: that adorn sucks later, don't plan to use it forever. consider:
Ethereal - best defensive adorn, i do believe. the only comparable is g16 warsoul adorn, gl getting that.
Lionheart - gives crit, str, and vit. this is probably one of the more common choices i think? fairly easy to obtain.
cv adorn - just gives slightly more pdef than lionheart, that's about it(grade higher).
warsoul - most popular pay2win adorn.
Aeolian - my adorn.

rings, attendance isn't end game imo. mg needs cast, that ring doesn't give it. if you get rank 8, i suggest using its ring as it's a cheaper alternative. but at least 1 cv ring would benefit you.

cloak, is fine. consider aiming for cloud charger or a lunar cloak, though. there's more upsides to cloud charger than just its mods, too. the cloak is auto 4s, could potentially be cheaper than other options just because you don't need to buy socket stones.

helm, is fine. i'd use this forever as a mage, but if you ever feel you cast fast enough, the 95 event helmet is the best.

the boots should be hh99, as should the wrist.

pants, why do you want to wield hh90 at level 100? this seems common in heaven's tear, and i don't understand it. is it a pve server thing? you have no threat, so why bother? b:surrender use those rank 8 pants, at least.

vit, why so much? cap at 50, at least.

and finally, stones

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

not only are you using g7 stones in what you considered to be 'end game', but you're using all pdef! that's like.. the opposite of good.

conclusion:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c39bee38801a58b3

i remember when i broke 7k pdef self buffed, good day b:cry

prof, i see u have a mix of pdef (garnet) and hp (citrine) stones. Does it matter into which gear you socket those stones? I assume it doesn't, but the question remains. For instance, u socket your boots with all pdef, and the hat hp. Couldn't it be a mix, as long as the ratio u want remains the same?

prof · December 2010

no, i do it for the glow lol. i've always liked the flames more than the electricity, so the 3 main visable pieces always got the pdef

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · December 2010

prof wrote: »

no, i do it for the glow lol. i've always liked the flames more than the electricity, so the 3 main visable pieces always got the pdef

for wiz, pdef shards are only for people without good pdef gear . . . .

get wing cape (cloudcharger or pink trophy), lunar rings, g12 or better pdef ornaments, and you don't need more pdef from shards.

Go ahead and flame, but I'd rather see someone demonstrate that a wiz is better with garnets. I got all citrines, 4 vit stones and 2 garnets (were no other gems when I wanted to socket my sleeves, so i got garnets - wish I hadn't). My pdef is 11k+ fully buffed and I can always get more if I refine my ornaments more. But after 11k, another 1k pdef reduces my damage what? Maybe a few percent?

I'd rather have 500 more hp, tyvm

I have heard some people say you should get hp and pdef to the same level, and I think that's probably closest. So if you have 5k hp and 4k pdef (with stone barrier), maybe it makes sense. But again, if that's the case, I would suggest you get better pdef gear, not take one of our only ways to effectively increase hitpoints and use it for pdef shards.

Regardless of how cool the glow may be . . . .

prof · December 2010

if I remove all of the garnet stones from my set, I go down to 12k pdef self buffed. that's 3 pieces with garnets. with garnets I had 17k, self buffed. that's roughly a 10% difference in reduction.

worth not it why?

if i replaced all 12 slots with vit stones, i go up 1,2k hp, 500 pdef and 1k mdef.

10.7k hp, 12,9k pdef, 13k mdef
9,5k hp, 17k pdef, 12k mdef

equal?

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · December 2010

prof wrote: »

if I remove all of the garnet stones from my set, I go down to 12k pdef self buffed. that's 3 pieces with garnets. with garnets I had 17k, self buffed. that's roughly a 10% difference in reduction.

worth not it why?

if i replaced all 12 slots with vit stones, i go up 1,2k hp, 500 pdef and 1k mdef.

10.7k hp, 12,9k pdef, 13k mdef
9,5k hp, 17k pdef, 12k mdef

equal?

I will not comment once you reach 10k hp SELF buffed. That's clearly a different league, and may very well cause a different result. For 99% of the people reading this, however, that's private server stuff for sure.

For me to get even close to 10k hp SELF buffed, yes, I will need all citrines.

prof · December 2010

just make a wr alt, you'll reach 10k hp/more within a month of it being able to do something productive. all of my friends have dark bm/archer alts $:\$

farming after 100 w/ 5.0 > cash shopping

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · December 2010

prof wrote: »

just make a wr alt, you'll reach 10k hp/more within a month of it being able to do something productive. all of my friends have dark bm/archer alts $:\$

farming after 100 w/ 5.0 > cash shopping

I only play my wiz. The other classes are tedious. I get bored within a few hours on them, and dont' log back on for weeks.

Fleuri - Sanctuary · December 2010

prof wrote: »

the adorn: why? it's low grade. is it because of the mod on it? if it is, i understand. at your level i, too, thought it was a very valuable iten. then i got some more levels and learned about grades and refining rates. moral: that adorn sucks later, don't plan to use it forever. consider:
Ethereal - best defensive adorn, i do believe. the only comparable is g16 warsoul adorn, gl getting that.
Lionheart - gives crit, str, and vit. this is probably one of the more common choices i think? fairly easy to obtain.
cv adorn - just gives slightly more pdef than lionheart, that's about it(grade higher).
warsoul - most popular pay2win adorn.
Aeolian - my adorn.

You might also consider thundershock, especially if you are trying to save up for something exceptional. You have to complete a few dozen quests, including a couple complete rebirth delta runs, to get it, but that just means that you can have fun earning it. And it would not be entirely useless, either.

Galox - Heavens Tear · December 2010

b:surrender

Thanks for like, advising me but..

@ Wings of Cloudchargers is like 45mil last I checked. Lunar cape looks about as much..
@ Warsong belt thing, I know there really expensive too.
@ I heard TT99 is like 40-50mil a piece, which I dont think I could afford in-game..
@ I can't buy rep now because I don't have the money, nor am able to farm for that amount of coin in-game at this level. Unless, you can tell me a way in which I can
@ G7 Stones cause there cheap...
@ Garnets? Because otherwise i'd have crappy P.Def...Stone Barrier needs SOMETHING to work on.
@ I did 100 Vit because 100 vit = nearly 1k extra HP..I should cap at 50? Because I'm not the richest person in the world, I added VIT because it's free. It might only give 10HP per VIT, but I couldn't afford higher than G7 Garnets (to give me enough P.Def, before I could boost HP with Cits..)
@ And err yeah, I though the necklace looked lovely, so I chose that one. As for rings, could use the rank one, as I know that some can be really expensive

-Please take into consideration, I want to farm for this gear IN GAME, in a reasonable amount of time. And also, I know I level slow, but maybe I like it that way. If I'm bored I go hang around West Arch and wait for duels (PK is just mean lol) Instead of doing BH. Gives me experience, and makes playing PWI fun..I play for fun, btw...)

I've just joined Synesis (since my old faction was quite dead), they do TT/FF/BH/TW, so it looks fun. I hate doing any TT's; at least at my level, it takes wayy too long, is boring, and if I don't get the drops I needed for anything, the drops don't sell for a worthwhile amount. Maybe this changes at 90+, I don't know..

Also, for comparison, my current gear is:

@Warsoul of Heaven helm, 2 flawless citrines, +2
@Armor of Grieving Sorrow, 2 flawless citrines, +3 (Cheaper and imo better than TT70 chest for a wiz. Bought it for only 200k from AH)(I have lv60 Rank top which I can switch into if need be)
@Dark Shinguards of Hades, 3 flawless citrines, +2 (Much, much better than TT70 legs, and I got them quite cheap too)(Have the lv60 Rank Legs I can switch into if needed)
@1star 7x LA boots with a +P.Def mod
@Aresh Mantle, 1 flawless citrine, gives me +90 HP which is decent (imo Tauran Chieftain is overrated; not sure if it's for Arcane classes anyways)
@Brigadiers Badge (rank ring)
@Attendance Ring
@1star bracers with +HP and -chan modifiers (I don't notice the -chan, but they were cheap and I was dumb.)
@Necklace of the Legion (Got the Mold as a drop, been using it since 5x. I love it

)
@Seal of the Waverider (Rank belt, I know I should be using a P.Def belt since my neck is M.Def but meh..I also have a lv 55 Belt with -3chan I got as a drop in FB59..if I use that with lv 60 rank Top, I can get -15% chan overall, which I don't think is noticeable anyways.)
@ Grief's Breath, 1 Perfect Sapphire, +1. (I have an Endless Ambiguity in my bank, 2 Immaculate Sapphires, +2)

lol, I'll just make it instead..

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2ea751bec2cc3603
Thats pretty much exactly my stats erm...so...yeah...

prof · December 2010

if you only play for fun, why did you come to the forum and ask for a serious end-game set? just wear what you have until you quit, it wont take long.

Galox - Heavens Tear · December 2010

._.

Why do so many people on these forums have to be so negative,

So, your saying endgame people don't play "for fun"? Why do you play then?

PWI is a game, game's are meant to be enjoyed. I came to ask for your advice on a decent, high level armor et; something which is reasonable to aim for in-game, coin generated via grinding..

Thanks for your advice and all, but do you play PWI for fun? Theres not much fun here atm b:surrender

prof · December 2010

look at your original post, that set worth more than the set i suggested.

playing for fun? of course. why play if you don't enjoy yourself? i simply enjoy spending my coins on good gear, pking, the occasional tw, and some random events; not sitting idle in some random town on some random rooftop for hours-on-end(oh my god, if i don't see this enough..) waiting for nothing to happen. i'm a very productive person, i like that mindset. i enjoy myself when i'm being productive.

you, on the other hand, are as fickle as they come. you don't know what you want or why you would want it if you did. odds are, you're like most people who get to the 80 area and just quit. they plan and dream of higher levels, wishing for an amazing set and plan out how they're going to get it. every step. fault? that's all they do. plan. not level. not grind. not farm. plan.

have you seen my characters? probably not. here:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4bbb6c08132b94e8

you see that? I didn't plan for that. that unraveled itself as I went. how long did that character take? approximately 1 month and 2 weeks. how long have you been playing pwi? 1 year. if, by chance, you spent only a few hours per week on pw, and the time you were on is spent multi-tasking and having trouble finding help with things you need to do to progress, I'd understand. however, I'm quite sure that isn't the case.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7b63575f5a88a764

see that? that's my mg in utopia. that character is over 3 years old. most of what you see was hand grinded before it was easy(exceptions being the nirvana pants, the necklace, and the rank 8. I have 108k rep beforehand, however). I had fun building both of these characters. see what I said there? fun. I enjoy making my characters strong.

mages need to be strong to compete in later levels. if you don't have the mindset to get there, or the deep pockets, you're **** out of luck.
b:bye

Galox - Heavens Tear · December 2010

lulz, I've been playing a year yes, but I take long breaks and err, I don't just focus on power levelling/oracling/hypering to 100. I try to enjoy the game more than that.

Mebbe I could be a level 100 rank8 wiz right now if I focused more on levelling and farming. But gawd, is that boring. Especially TT, takes way too long.

I've had help right from level 1; and I'm a very needy wizard :P

Perhaps I crave to see more than just trololol'ing on these damn forums. Perhaps I wanted to see how "productive" people could really be; by finding me a nice cheap set for endgame?

I waste time; I know that, and I don't deny it, I level slow and am **** at farming, and won't stick at things, I don't deny that too. An average level 78 Wizard is what I've achieved in PWI after one year; and I'm proud

Forum so Negative.

Now, please, I asked for a little advice and a pointer in the right direction; not a lecture on how amaaazing you are. b:surrender

prof · December 2010

you got advice, from several people, including myself.

/facedesk

cheapest, poorest mage i personally know:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=88693b3a0cc1f692

try to do better than that. she's played once a week, if not less, since closed beta. hell, when she is on, it's 2 hours at max. she refuses to accept help from others to improve, because she wants to do everything herself.

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