Deicide+chill+demonspark=5.0aps possible?

dinhn4
dinhn4 Posts: 1 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Assassin
Is it possible to get 5aps with deicides with chill of the deep on? and how high can you level chill of the deep if its possible? thanks this is assuming full interval gears
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  • Chobiits - Heavens Tear
    Chobiits - Heavens Tear Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    nope, not that i know of
  • Cheze - Lost City
    Cheze - Lost City Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    yes. lvl it to 7 or 11
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    It's been done actually, by A_Noob. Though I think he used HH100 fists instead of Deicides. Demon Chill of the Deep reduces the attack rate penalty to something like 70% if i recall.
  • Cheze - Lost City
    Cheze - Lost City Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    _Leif - Lost City wrote: »
    It's been done actually, by A_Noob. Though I think he used HH100 fists instead of Deicides. Demon Chill of the Deep reduces the attack rate penalty to something like 70% if i recall.

    thats me ur talking about lol...
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    A_Big_Noob, or Cheze here, did that before demon Chill. It was lvl 7 I'm guessing.
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cheze - Lost City wrote: »
    thats me ur talking about lol...

    LOL

    To be fair, how was I to know you would reroll a sin on another server and level him to 101 as well b:surrender
  • Ao_Ren - Lost City
    Ao_Ren - Lost City Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Just wondering but... How effective is this o.O?

    I mean, is your regular damage output higher or lower? Is it worth it (if you can get everything needed to do so)...
  • Tsubakey - Heavens Tear
    Tsubakey - Heavens Tear Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    Just wondering but... How effective is this o.O?

    I mean, is your regular damage output higher or lower? Is it worth it (if you can get everything needed to do so)...


    its not worth it tbh imo.
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  • Lucretiax - Raging Tide
    Lucretiax - Raging Tide Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked

    This talk of using claws and auto attacking with CoD on scares me.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You can't out-damage a pure dex sin. I'm afraid we are to pure with our damage totals for any crazy scheme with fists/claws to out DD us.
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Ao_Ren - Lost City
    Ao_Ren - Lost City Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You can't out-damage a pure dex sin. I'm afraid we are to pure with our damage totals for any crazy scheme with fists/claws to out DD us.

    You say that now, but wait till someone manages to get a rank 9 sin to 4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".
  • Tsubakey - Heavens Tear
    Tsubakey - Heavens Tear Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    You say that now, but wait till someone manages to get a rank 9 sin to 4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".

    even if u use rank 9 ur still missing out on 30 or so atk lvls that the rank 9 daggers give for using claws instead. + none of the rank 9 gear give intervals so it would be impossible even if you are using claws.
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  • Evict - Heavens Tear
    Evict - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".

    Oh, you talkin' about Accelerator?
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    You say that now, but wait till someone manages to get a rank 9 sin to 4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".

    *waits* b:pleased
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    even if u use rank 9 ur still missing out on 30 or so atk lvls that the rank 9 daggers give for using claws instead. + none of the rank 9 gear give intervals so it would be impossible even if you are using claws.

    Full interval gear with rank 9 daggers is -.45. Which is 2.86 base speed. Demon sparked is 4.0 with rank 9 daggers. Make sense?
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Ninja_Dagger - Dreamweaver
    Ninja_Dagger - Dreamweaver Posts: 275 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    even if u use rank 9 ur still missing out on 30 or so atk lvls that the rank 9 daggers give for using claws instead. + none of the rank 9 gear give intervals so it would be impossible even if you are using claws.

    ima be 5 APS with like 80 attack lvls prtty soon :P
    btw cheze while ur on this thread ive got next to full interval just need tome and legs... do i need both to reach 5 APS with chill of deep on?
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  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You can't out-damage a pure dex sin. I'm afraid we are to pure with our damage totals for any crazy scheme with fists/claws to out DD us.

    I out DD most pure Dex Sins i know. The ones that out DD me have +12 wep, compared to my +10 fists, or they have at least 0.05 interval on double recast daggers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7dUq37huo

    I'm quite lazy so my gears are not that good. Yet i'm sitting at 4.0 unsparked/5.0 demon sparked with +60Att, levels. I could change around 16~18 immaculate citrine shards into DoTs and i invest in a double recasting a helm. If i did this i'd be sitting at 81-83 attack level.
    You can check my stats/gear during the few first minutes of this video.

    Full dex is still better DPS than this build if you can get your hands on a double recast dagger with at least 0.05 interval in it. Or if you +10~+12 the grade 13 daggers and go with DoT shards.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    I out DD most pure Dex Sins i know. The ones that out DD me have +12 wep, compared to my +10 fists, or they have at least 0.05 interval on double recast daggers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7dUq37huo

    I'm quite lazy so my gears are not that good. Yet i'm sitting at 4.0 unsparked/5.0 demon sparked with +60Att, levels. I could change around 16~18 immaculate citrine shards into DoTs and i invest in a double recasting a helm. If i did this i'd be sitting at 81-83 attack level.
    You can check my stats/gear during the few first minutes of this video.

    Full dex is still better DPS than this build if you can get your hands on a double recast dagger with at least 0.05 interval in it. Or if you +10~+12 the grade 13 daggers and go with DoT shards.

    I saw your video you aren't close to my damage output. Don't get me wrong I love what you're doing and making it work for you, but you're not there yet. The only people out DDing my sin are other Dagger sins with higher refine.
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Cheze - Lost City
    Cheze - Lost City Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    I out DD most pure Dex Sins i know. The ones that out DD me have +12 wep, compared to my +10 fists, or they have at least 0.05 interval on double recast daggers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7dUq37huo

    I'm quite lazy so my gears are not that good. Yet i'm sitting at 4.0 unsparked/5.0 demon sparked with +60Att, levels. I could change around 16~18 immaculate citrine shards into DoTs and i invest in a double recasting a helm. If i did this i'd be sitting at 81-83 attack level.
    You can check my stats/gear during the few first minutes of this video.

    Full dex is still better DPS than this build if you can get your hands on a double recast dagger with at least 0.05 interval in it. Or if you +10~+12 the grade 13 daggers and go with DoT shards.

    unless you have more str than the minimum required for tt100 fists, +12 fist with cod has about same dps as +10 nirvana dags...
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cheze - Lost City wrote: »
    unless you have more str than the minimum required for tt100 fists, +12 fist with cod has about same dps as +10 nirvana dags...

    +1 that's what I've found as well. Another reason to +12 my daggers quick! b:surrender
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Was too lazy to crunch the numbers, but considering

    -450+ DEX vs 3XX STR
    -mastery for 0.75 more damage multiplier as well as 2% crit
    -higher base damage + gain per refine for daggers
    -higher base crit rate

    you are looking at damage multiplier of 3.75-4 on daggers vs 2-2.3 on fists, and the higher multiplier is applying to the weapon with higher damage. 30 attack levels just won't cover it.
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Not by a whole lot, but full str TT100 Fist+10 CoD build out DDs G13 Daggers +10 with dagger mastery lvl 10. You can easily get 400 str.
    Now, this is only comparing the best damage output you can get with fists vs just average dagger build nowadays. I have already mention there are several ways to out DD CoD build.
    Too lazy to look for it but the numbers and calculations for all this was already done in an 6+ months old tread.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    Not by a whole lot, but full str TT100 Fist+10 CoD build out DDs G13 Daggers +10 with dagger mastery lvl 10. You can easily get 400 str.
    Now, this is only comparing the best damage output you can get with fists vs just average dagger build nowadays. I have already mention there are several ways to out DD CoD build.
    Too lazy to look for it but the numbers and calculations for all this was already done in an 6+ months old tread.

    The best possible Wizard damage output out DDs a level 90 sin...what's the point of trying to make a realistic comparison if you're going to say best possible vs average. There are lots of best possible vs average that kinda weigh in the best possible side. b:chuckle
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The best possible Wizard damage output out DDs a level 90 sin...what's the point of trying to make a realistic comparison if you're going to say best possible vs average. There are lots of best possible vs average that kinda weigh in the best possible side. b:chuckle

    I stated "average dagger build" = +10 g13 dagger. You can also differ i was referring to 5.0, so that includes recast pants, tome, r8 chest, TT99 sets.

    Stop fail trolling unless you can prove both build's cost/performance outputs with valid arguments.

    P.S: Go ahead and +12 your G13 dagers so you can be outdd'd by anyone that double recasts. b:chuckleb:bye
  • Ass/ssiN - Dreamweaver62
    Ass/ssiN - Dreamweaver62 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    I stated "average dagger build" = +10 g13 dagger. You can also differ i was referring to 5.0, so that includes recast pants, tome, r8 chest, TT99 sets.

    Stop fail trolling unless you can prove both build's cost/performance outputs with valid arguments.

    P.S: Go ahead and +12 your G13 dagers so you can be outdd'd by anyone that double recasts. b:chuckleb:bye

    Been wondering about my build vs someone else's build with those G15 daggers. But it's pointless to spend that much extra for a small possibility to get -int with a good main add. Did have one sin in my faction get 20 attack level, -int, 2 attack level adds on G15 that was amazing. b:shocked

    I'm fine going with my 42 crit 503 dex build :))

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