Deicide+chill+demonspark=5.0aps possible?
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nope, not that i know of0
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yes. lvl it to 7 or 110
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It's been done actually, by A_Noob. Though I think he used HH100 fists instead of Deicides. Demon Chill of the Deep reduces the attack rate penalty to something like 70% if i recall.0
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_Leif - Lost City wrote: »It's been done actually, by A_Noob. Though I think he used HH100 fists instead of Deicides. Demon Chill of the Deep reduces the attack rate penalty to something like 70% if i recall.
thats me ur talking about lol...0 -
A_Big_Noob, or Cheze here, did that before demon Chill. It was lvl 7 I'm guessing.0
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Cheze - Lost City wrote: »thats me ur talking about lol...
LOL
To be fair, how was I to know you would reroll a sin on another server and level him to 101 as well b:surrender0 -
Just wondering but... How effective is this o.O?
I mean, is your regular damage output higher or lower? Is it worth it (if you can get everything needed to do so)...0 -
Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »Just wondering but... How effective is this o.O?
I mean, is your regular damage output higher or lower? Is it worth it (if you can get everything needed to do so)...
its not worth it tbh imo.0 -
b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked
This talk of using claws and auto attacking with CoD on scares me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
You can't out-damage a pure dex sin. I'm afraid we are to pure with our damage totals for any crazy scheme with fists/claws to out DD us.BladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
-And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute0 -
Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »You can't out-damage a pure dex sin. I'm afraid we are to pure with our damage totals for any crazy scheme with fists/claws to out DD us.
You say that now, but wait till someone manages to get a rank 9 sin to 4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".0 -
Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »You say that now, but wait till someone manages to get a rank 9 sin to 4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".
even if u use rank 9 ur still missing out on 30 or so atk lvls that the rank 9 daggers give for using claws instead. + none of the rank 9 gear give intervals so it would be impossible even if you are using claws.0 -
Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".
Oh, you talkin' about Accelerator?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Dysk is my tasty chimichanga.0 -
Ao_Ren - Lost City wrote: »You say that now, but wait till someone manages to get a rank 9 sin to 4.0 and 100+ attack levels... Then they'll forever be known as "The only guy in the game rich enough to pull off that crazy ****".
*waits* b:pleasedBladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
-And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute0 -
Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »even if u use rank 9 ur still missing out on 30 or so atk lvls that the rank 9 daggers give for using claws instead. + none of the rank 9 gear give intervals so it would be impossible even if you are using claws.
Full interval gear with rank 9 daggers is -.45. Which is 2.86 base speed. Demon sparked is 4.0 with rank 9 daggers. Make sense?AP classes are a real butt pounding...0 -
Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »even if u use rank 9 ur still missing out on 30 or so atk lvls that the rank 9 daggers give for using claws instead. + none of the rank 9 gear give intervals so it would be impossible even if you are using claws.
ima be 5 APS with like 80 attack lvls prtty soon :P
btw cheze while ur on this thread ive got next to full interval just need tome and legs... do i need both to reach 5 APS with chill of deep on?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
when life gives you lemons
put them in a sack and beat your wife
with them b:victory0 -
Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »You can't out-damage a pure dex sin. I'm afraid we are to pure with our damage totals for any crazy scheme with fists/claws to out DD us.
I out DD most pure Dex Sins i know. The ones that out DD me have +12 wep, compared to my +10 fists, or they have at least 0.05 interval on double recast daggers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7dUq37huo
I'm quite lazy so my gears are not that good. Yet i'm sitting at 4.0 unsparked/5.0 demon sparked with +60Att, levels. I could change around 16~18 immaculate citrine shards into DoTs and i invest in a double recasting a helm. If i did this i'd be sitting at 81-83 attack level.
You can check my stats/gear during the few first minutes of this video.
Full dex is still better DPS than this build if you can get your hands on a double recast dagger with at least 0.05 interval in it. Or if you +10~+12 the grade 13 daggers and go with DoT shards.0 -
Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »I out DD most pure Dex Sins i know. The ones that out DD me have +12 wep, compared to my +10 fists, or they have at least 0.05 interval on double recast daggers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7dUq37huo
I'm quite lazy so my gears are not that good. Yet i'm sitting at 4.0 unsparked/5.0 demon sparked with +60Att, levels. I could change around 16~18 immaculate citrine shards into DoTs and i invest in a double recasting a helm. If i did this i'd be sitting at 81-83 attack level.
You can check my stats/gear during the few first minutes of this video.
Full dex is still better DPS than this build if you can get your hands on a double recast dagger with at least 0.05 interval in it. Or if you +10~+12 the grade 13 daggers and go with DoT shards.
I saw your video you aren't close to my damage output. Don't get me wrong I love what you're doing and making it work for you, but you're not there yet. The only people out DDing my sin are other Dagger sins with higher refine.BladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
-And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute0 -
Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »I out DD most pure Dex Sins i know. The ones that out DD me have +12 wep, compared to my +10 fists, or they have at least 0.05 interval on double recast daggers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7dUq37huo
I'm quite lazy so my gears are not that good. Yet i'm sitting at 4.0 unsparked/5.0 demon sparked with +60Att, levels. I could change around 16~18 immaculate citrine shards into DoTs and i invest in a double recasting a helm. If i did this i'd be sitting at 81-83 attack level.
You can check my stats/gear during the few first minutes of this video.
Full dex is still better DPS than this build if you can get your hands on a double recast dagger with at least 0.05 interval in it. Or if you +10~+12 the grade 13 daggers and go with DoT shards.
unless you have more str than the minimum required for tt100 fists, +12 fist with cod has about same dps as +10 nirvana dags...0 -
Cheze - Lost City wrote: »unless you have more str than the minimum required for tt100 fists, +12 fist with cod has about same dps as +10 nirvana dags...
+1 that's what I've found as well. Another reason to +12 my daggers quick! b:surrenderBladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
-And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute0 -
Was too lazy to crunch the numbers, but considering
-450+ DEX vs 3XX STR
-mastery for 0.75 more damage multiplier as well as 2% crit
-higher base damage + gain per refine for daggers
-higher base crit rate
you are looking at damage multiplier of 3.75-4 on daggers vs 2-2.3 on fists, and the higher multiplier is applying to the weapon with higher damage. 30 attack levels just won't cover it.0 -
Not by a whole lot, but full str TT100 Fist+10 CoD build out DDs G13 Daggers +10 with dagger mastery lvl 10. You can easily get 400 str.
Now, this is only comparing the best damage output you can get with fists vs just average dagger build nowadays. I have already mention there are several ways to out DD CoD build.
Too lazy to look for it but the numbers and calculations for all this was already done in an 6+ months old tread.0 -
Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »Not by a whole lot, but full str TT100 Fist+10 CoD build out DDs G13 Daggers +10 with dagger mastery lvl 10. You can easily get 400 str.
Now, this is only comparing the best damage output you can get with fists vs just average dagger build nowadays. I have already mention there are several ways to out DD CoD build.
Too lazy to look for it but the numbers and calculations for all this was already done in an 6+ months old tread.
The best possible Wizard damage output out DDs a level 90 sin...what's the point of trying to make a realistic comparison if you're going to say best possible vs average. There are lots of best possible vs average that kinda weigh in the best possible side. b:chuckleBladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
-And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute0 -
Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »The best possible Wizard damage output out DDs a level 90 sin...what's the point of trying to make a realistic comparison if you're going to say best possible vs average. There are lots of best possible vs average that kinda weigh in the best possible side. b:chuckle
I stated "average dagger build" = +10 g13 dagger. You can also differ i was referring to 5.0, so that includes recast pants, tome, r8 chest, TT99 sets.
Stop fail trolling unless you can prove both build's cost/performance outputs with valid arguments.
P.S: Go ahead and +12 your G13 dagers so you can be outdd'd by anyone that double recasts. b:chuckleb:bye0 -
Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »I stated "average dagger build" = +10 g13 dagger. You can also differ i was referring to 5.0, so that includes recast pants, tome, r8 chest, TT99 sets.
Stop fail trolling unless you can prove both build's cost/performance outputs with valid arguments.
P.S: Go ahead and +12 your G13 dagers so you can be outdd'd by anyone that double recasts. b:chuckleb:bye
Been wondering about my build vs someone else's build with those G15 daggers. But it's pointless to spend that much extra for a small possibility to get -int with a good main add. Did have one sin in my faction get 20 attack level, -int, 2 attack level adds on G15 that was amazing. b:shocked
I'm fine going with my 42 crit 503 dex build )0
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