So like..Nirvana's dead?

Jhalil - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Cannies are at 400k and raptures at 2m on HT.
Who said Nirvana's dead again? o:

What's prices like on the other servers?

Eoria - Harshlands · December 2010

Uncannies at 450k. Raptures at 1.2mil.

On HL, obviously.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Damnit, I tried clicking on your avvy.

Btw, dead Nirvana is dead. Not.

Raaaageee.

TheDan - Sanctuary · December 2010

Raptures are like 1.7m on sanc, but I've concluded god of frenzy from rank 9 is still cheaper than nirvana.. And it comes with ring. The thing is, the big cash shoppers are going to charge for rank now instead of nirvana. Demand is still at an all time low.

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear · December 2010

why would nirvana be dead? the weapons u get from it are still better then most of the rank 8 weapons. especially if ur a sin going for 5.0.

of course if u are going for only 4.0 then that god of frenzy rank 9 weapon would be better.

Scandalous - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Around 400k Uncanny and 1.7mil Raps in DW

Michael_Dark - Lost City · December 2010

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Raptures are like 1.7m on sanc, but I've concluded god of frenzy from rank 9 is still cheaper than nirvana.. And it comes with ring. The thing is, the big cash shoppers are going to charge for rank now instead of nirvana. Demand is still at an all time low.

This ^^.

At 950 gold Rank 9 will cost a little more than G15 axes, but that's not including the cost of getting the adds you want. 9jun axe + ring = amazing. Advanced Zerk +30 attack levels. It makes Nirvana look pretty stupid.

Demand for Nirvana is down. Far less people in guild asking for it. Parties are still running, but everyone is waiting for the expansion gears too.

Jhalil - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why would nirvana be dead? the weapons u get from it are still better then most of the rank 8 weapons. especially if ur a sin going for 5.0.

of course if u are going for only 4.0 then that god of frenzy rank 9 weapon would be better.

I think you missed the sarcasm in my post. Since R8 came out, people have been screaming "NIRVANA'S DEAD!" "NO WAYS TO MAKE MONEY!!!!ONE!!!11!!".

Prices on HT dropped by 200k for both for less than a week, then went back up. So I'm just rubbing it in a little bit b:pleased

Edit: Ninja'd by Michael.

I don't know about LC, but on Ht nirvana's still going and those prices were based on the catshops in front of it. So if anything on my server at least, Nirvana's still up and running and lots of people are doing it. Regardless of the decrease in demand for it.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary · December 2010

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Damnit, I tried clicking on your avvy.

Btw, dead Nirvana is dead. Not.

Raaaageee.

idk but your sig is epic lol. that much is certain

edit: as for michael and dan's post they have a point. hell maby with rank 9 you might see some pure axe bm's in pk again lol.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

find one post where someone wrote nirvana is dead..

gj you just proved nothing

Deora - Lost City · December 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

find one post where someone wrote nirvana is dead..

gj you just proved nothing

Nirvana is Dead. b:bye

Yamiino - Heavens Tear · December 2010

^ lol.

Soz had to say it.

Deceive - Lost City · December 2010

Uncanny on LC are 500k+ and Raptures are 2-2.2mill

Stubbie - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Beside the weap and chest of r8 equipment, the rest of gears are lunar and TT. To enjoy endgame gear and not spending on r9 ppl choose to stick with nirvana . I mean you still gonna get +20 att lvl from nirvana and g15 is better then g14 (r8).

I mean R9 will not be overcrowded like other stuff : Tis real money gear , 1576 + 108

Making it easier to obtain doesnt mean every1 will have it ^^ and dump ingame farming like TT or nirvana

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · December 2010

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Now because of the huge power increase instances TT, luna, Nirvana etc... Are all going to die, literally though not completly as they will still go on. You can see proof of this in prices of uncanny s, luna bows I have seen for 10mil and less a huge decrease from 80+mil.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

find one post where someone wrote nirvana is dead..

gj you just proved nothing

GJ, just proved something. Here's one post, not only declaring Nirvana is dead now, but that this correlates to the price of uncanny's meaning they have no value. Oh, and here are canny's, at 300K within hours after everyone bought Rank 8, now at just under 400K again, which is what they were pre-maintenance.

Nice forum version of foot in mouth.

TheDan - Sanctuary · December 2010

Ok, Nirvana isn't dead but the demand for it in certain classes has went down; therefore overall less appealing. Prices have dropped on our server to reflect the demand going down.

Born_Free - Harshlands · December 2010

Oh it's not dead.

....yet. Wait a few months.
They said TW wasn't dead either. And so we waited a few months. And now it is.

'New Installments' is like a PWE term for "Slow and incredibly painful death."

You think demand is down now? Just wait a few months when the Earthguard come out and the new instance is here, and there's Rank 10. I can already hear everybody rushing to get R8/9 screaming in agony.

VlLKASS - Sanctuary · December 2010

I mean you still gonna get +20 att lvl from nirvana and g15 is better then g14 (r8).

No, you need to gamble numerous times to get the +20 atk lvl, unless you're VERY lucky.

Furthermore why are you comparing stage 2 nirv with r8. That's +600 vs 70m. For the price of recast nirv you can afford r9, which is better.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

GJ, just proved something. Here's one post, not only declaring Nirvana is dead now, but that this correlates to the price of uncanny's meaning they have no value. Oh, and here are canny's, at 300K within hours after everyone bought Rank 8, now at just under 400K again, which is what they were pre-maintenance.

Nice forum version of foot in mouth.

because -cpt obvious- it was normal that prices went crazy at beginning. and yes prices of nv mats will go down, unless whole demand for raptures is from sins (?)

you can also expect decrease in price of few other tt mats as well.

however, this effect will be slowed down by 3 things:

-less farmed mats on market because few big farmers quit (yep, people are quiting game actually)

-some people are re-tarded and will get g13/15 weapons just because it is 'farmable' (not able to save up coins for r8/r9)

-ppl will try to keep prices up as long as they can, because it is last source of income..

anyway, prices will go down, because there is no good reason to happen otherwise. This will nerf farming on 100lvl+ again (like tt changes) and with higher gold (seems it gonna be kept on perm 600-800k for most time) will make f2p player more poor.

and thats was one of main concern of people behind nerdrage.

ofc you are not able to get that and will reply one of following responses (and usually to most exaggerated and silly posts):

-when nerds rage about company switching too much from f2p to p2p, you reply that pwe need to earn (eot: there is no space to argue)

-when nerds rage about how company is implementing changes (too drastical, shock, destroying markets) you will reply that all mmos evolve (eot: there is no space to argue)

overally, customers are complaining about quality of service i.e. 'company killing gameplay' and your fav reply is that 'nerds are too naive and idealistic'.

i would join you if u just laugh at people raging too much, and making idiots from themsleves. but when you pull **** like that, then either you are employe paid by pwe or just love to stroke your e-peenor by 'having your own original pov in spite of everyone'.

anyway, trolll - didnt you quit the game like half of year ago?

Cortimis - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

-when nerds rage about company switching too much from f2p to p2p, you reply that pwe need to earn (eot: there is no space to argue)

-when nerds rage about how company is implementing changes (too drastical, shock, destroying markets) you will reply that all mmos evolve (eot: there is no space to argue)

That was pretty funny, and sums up the same old tired "debate" nicely.
Anwho, this was a couple days after the patch, and yes, the 1.6mil for for ALL of them. He must have sold them, because he never typed anything in WC any more, and no one laughed at him in WC, so I can only assume.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

raptures on dw were 1.9-2.2m few days ago.

if we assume that guy bought 100 mats for 1.6m in 5 minutes, then -indeed- this may prove something..

Cortimis - Dreamweaver · December 2010

I would trust our server's market though, it's is a giant cluster---- right now. Dragon orbs going for twice the price as they would be at the already ridiculous gold prices, some TT mats tripling in price, other TT mats going for 1/3rd price. Crazy times X.x I actually kind of like dumb people on this server. I can go out and spend a day farming DQ, get a million coin, buy a gold for 900k, then buy something from the item mall with 1 gold (like dragon orbs), and turn around and sell those items for roughly 1.5-2mil. Hooray for greed and desperation! b:laugh Example:

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

gz, u discovered merchanting b:chuckle

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

because -cpt obvious- it was normal that prices went crazy at beginning. and yes prices of nv mats will go down, unless whole demand for raptures is from sins (?)

you can also expect decrease in price of few other tt mats as well.

however, this effect will be slowed down by 3 things:

-less farmed mats on market because few big farmers quit (yep, people are quiting game actually)

-some people are re-tarded and will get g13/15 weapons just because it is 'farmable' (not able to save up coins for r8/r9)

-ppl will try to keep prices up as long as they can, because it is last source of income..

anyway, prices will go down, because there is no good reason to happen otherwise. This will nerf farming on 100lvl+ again (like tt changes) and with higher gold (seems it gonna be kept on perm 600-800k for most time) will make f2p player more poor.

and thats was one of main concern of people behind nerdrage.

ofc you are not able to get that and will reply one of following responses (and usually to most exaggerated and silly posts):

-when nerds rage about company switching too much from f2p to p2p, you reply that pwe need to earn (eot: there is no space to argue)

-when nerds rage about how company is implementing changes (too drastical, shock, destroying markets) you will reply that all mmos evolve (eot: there is no space to argue)

overally, customers are complaining about quality of service i.e. 'company killing gameplay' and your fav reply is that 'nerds are too naive and idealistic'.

i would join you if u just laugh at people raging too much, and making idiots from themsleves. but when you pull **** like that, then either you are employe paid by pwe or just love to stroke your e-peenor by 'having your own original pov in spite of everyone'.

anyway, trolll - didnt you quit the game like half of year ago?

Poor sap can't even take his owning like a man, ate his own words and has to hide behind overly broad and generalized rants.

The reason cannys went down in price is because every time a maintenance happens, people put up super cheap prices. Same phenomenon when there are no other shops up buying cannys. Added to that is lower demand because most people were not out there, at that very second, farming Nirvana, but getting their Rank 8 gear or watching the QQfun in world chat. Additionally, there was speculation about those who knew nothing about rank gear as to whether or not it might deal a huge blow to Nirvana, then it subsided when ppl realized they still need their leggings, wristguards, weapons, and so on.

PWI is and has always been F2P. People confuse players cash shopping for their own sake for PWI making them. It's more than stupid to call a game what it's not. Still, PWI moves in the direction that players go in terms of what they will buy. Doing the opposite makes a company that lasts less than a year, never mind this American subsidiary lasting over 2. Hope this concept isn't over your head like pretty much everything else.

As for the TT prices going down, no, not inherently. All that depends on the usual supply and demand. If players think for instance that less 99+ players will be inclined to get chest pieces because of LA/AA rank chest piece, they will farm arma less. However, HA classes will still go for it, meaning supply will be lower due to less farming, and demand will be there, making the price relatively the same. You see TT99 prices go down when there's a huge supply and not enough demand. Looks like you're too stuck in the e-peenor and other **** to think pragmatically, and too stuck making incorrect predictions and placing foot in mouth, as per the usual, to even predict how I'm going to post.

Btw, customers are NOT largely complaining about customer service. If this were merely about bugs I'd be joining them as I have before. No, it's a nerdrage generalized complaint about everything cash shop related, rep related, gear related.. rep being made cheaply was just another catalyst for negative nancies to come out of the woodwork and good thing they had a pseudo know-it-all to join them.

Cortimis - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

gz, u discovered merchanting b:chuckle

No, it's not "merchanting" (no need for the -ing since "merchant" is already a transitive verb in the context I assume you were trying to use), it is simply taking advantage of people who are desperate and stuck in an economy that has gone to chaos fueled by the greedy. Not something I do habitually.

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Nirvana isn't dead. There is still business going on with people selling/buying them. Although I saw the prices went down, some people would still go for Rank 8 even if Nirvana is better in some cases. Rank 8 being in the cash shop at $72 will get more people than farming 100mil+ for Nirvana weapon/armor especially that people are not really happy with the gold prices at 1mil+. It'd be good to sell gold at this time but at the same time not much will buy, imo..

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Poor sap can't even take his owning like a man, ate his own words and has to hide behind overly broad and generalized rants.

oh my, u got me. instead of writing 'find me one post saying nv is dead' i should write 'find me prove that it was nerds conclusion that nirvana will die'.

my bad - you win

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The reason cannys went down in price is because every time a maintenance happens, people put up super cheap prices. Same phenomenon when there are no other shops up buying cannys. Added to that is lower demand because most people were not out there, at that very second, farming Nirvana, but getting their Rank 8 gear or watching the QQfun in world chat. Additionally, there was speculation about those who knew nothing about rank gear as to whether or not it might deal a huge blow to Nirvana, then it subsided when ppl realized they still need their leggings, wristguards, weapons, and so on.

i dont think cannies will drop much

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As for the TT prices going down, no, not inherently. All that depends on the usual supply and demand. If players think for instance that less 99+ players will be inclined to get chest pieces because of LA/AA rank chest piece, they will farm arma less. However, HA classes will still go for it, meaning supply will be lower due to less farming, and demand will be there, making the price relatively the same. You see TT99 prices go down when there's a huge supply and not enough demand. Looks like you're too stuck in the e-peenor and other **** to think pragmatically, and too stuck making incorrect predictions and placing foot in mouth, as per the usual, to even predict how I'm going to post.

you forgot about chip sale, and fact that there wil be lower demand for some of -int 99 gear.
and, of course - demand for gold mats used for weapons will drop much.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

PWI is and has always been F2P. People confuse players cash shopping for their own sake for PWI making them. It's more than stupid to call a game what it's not. Still, PWI moves in the direction that players go in terms of what they will buy. Doing the opposite makes a company that lasts less than a year, never mind this American subsidiary lasting over 2. Hope this concept isn't over your head like pretty much everything else.

as usual, some general **** that companies must earn herp derp.
and -as usual- i will reply that players rage about how pwe does it.

u gotta admit that people were patient - sale after sale, packs off 50% and gold 800k+. but there wasnt major rage, because we got used to it. This is how pwe make money - ok.
then, first 10% rep sale? oh well, ok - mmo evolve, earnings etc - it is all right.
but then pwe management does same idiotic move they did 1.5 year ago: (90% rep sale) which devaluate lotta endgame stuff... and at least, packs are gambling, while r8/9 can be bought directly from cash shop for ridiculously low price.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Btw, customers are NOT largely complaining about customer service. If this were merely about bugs I'd be joining them as I have before. No, it's a nerdrage generalized complaint about everything cash shop related, rep related, gear related.. rep being made cheaply was just another catalyst for negative nancies to come out of the woodwork and good thing they had a pseudo know-it-all to join them.

there are trolls on both sides

Obly - Dreamweaver · December 2010

No, Nirvana is not dead, not by a long shot.

For some classes the rank 8 weps are better...G14 instead of first cast G13.

And they are easier and even cheaper too obtain at this current moment.

But once the rep sale goes away..which i hope is soon, this will return to normal.

However, lets immagine the fact that they will keep them in, just like they did packs,.

Then for some classes the rank 8 wep + chest is good.

But for Nirvana the pants are better, so Uncanny's will drop some in price due to lower demand, but not through the floor.

As or the weps, their will be classes that will go for nirvana weps due too the stats. Like - channeling or something.

And for the gears, rank gear only has a few partions of the gears. Not the entire set.

The only problem is Rank 9, and although it is extremely cheap now, I presume PWE to take those back out, so get it now, or never get it at all, unless there is a major mechanics change in rep and chips, (Kinda stupid btw that summers tokens can only be obtained with chips, don;t see why chips...could be something more....achievable without a sale needed.)

but anyways, no, nirvana is not dead, just less in demand atm, also due to recent double drops. And current rep sale. After that, it should stabalize, although slightly lower, but stable.

Quilue - Sanctuary · December 2010

I don't know why anyone would go for the weapon now that rank8 beats g13 so badly. Maybe they want to look pretty.

I think +7 g13 bow barely beats unrefined rank8 bow. Sad isn't it? Rank8 costs 72m, Nirvana first cast costs more than twice that much.

Zalum - Heavens Tear · December 2010

I don't care, I'll sell anything i get at a Fair price for all, not a greedy vendor price.

NightRage - Raging Tide · December 2010

I think you misheard. It's actually "game is dead."

So like..Nirvana's dead?

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