PVP build for veno

on100otp
on100otp Posts: 2 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Venomancer
What build would be best for a pvp style veno? b:sad

Werefox build seems interesting, its close combat i bet but the skills look nice and the werefox form bonuses look good for a good dex build. :o or shud i ignore the werefox form?
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited November 2010
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  • The__love - Raging Tide
    The__love - Raging Tide Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    heavy + nix = best pvp class
  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    trololol

    best pk class = a true player that can play his char and know his/her skills 100% and others "weakness".

    it can be prob w havy XD other venos own u cuz weak angst magic, aswell for wiz lol.
    It can also be prob w arcane 2, cuz peps that do pdg can own u, but then u have chanage 2 get pdef by stones, in havy - u need hp stones :o

    - well in pk build don't say everything - skills are Important part, w/o that ur fail and always will be fail. even if u get the best stuff.

    well u can't go around think ur best , cuz there is alot player on this game <.< and u haven't meeet em all.

    fox skils are not worth lvl <.< it realy waste i did in my first 30 lvls, XD only fox skils i like are amfy and puge/foxfrom atm.

    if u go havy u don't need use patk wep, can use mag.<.<
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Actually I find the Fox Form skills useful no matter the build....
    Amplify Damage and Purge are a must but Leech and Befuddling Mist have saved my life a few times by stealing HP back and making the mob miss. I'm an Arcane Venomancer so my focus is on the Magic skill tree but I have maxed/leveled a lot of my Fox Form skills.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I can't imagine wasting time purge/ amp / etc when most have died in a few hits with FB blessing. If you follow a typically recommended build for PvP: you're going to fit the weakness in the guides against you and not necessarily be any better suited for PvP.
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  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    purge is usefull, when those bms or other classes use that ** genie skils <.< that always kill urslef on w u atk em XD

    :D when they use it hurry in fox purge <3
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  • SeaStorm - Heavens Tear
    SeaStorm - Heavens Tear Posts: 315 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Agrees with Desdi. Fox skills are useful no matter the build. My personal sage favorites are Malefic Crush aoe that burns 1800 mana in 3 secs. As well as Crush Vigor that causes the target to lose 15 chi for each hit they take. Kinda hard for a BM to get their stun off when it requires 30 chi.

    Like Desdi I'm an arcane build but am also a hybrid build (full arcane armor not HA/AA hybrid). Granted I have my own build never followed one of the guides here.
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  • The__love - Raging Tide
    The__love - Raging Tide Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    nixy eats arcane before they get a chance to hit most of the times ijs
  • The__love - Raging Tide
    The__love - Raging Tide Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    nixy eats arcane before they get a chance to hit most of the times ijs
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    SeaStorm - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Agrees with Desdi. Fox skills are useful no matter the build. My personal sage favorites are Malefic Crush aoe that burns 1800 mana in 3 secs. As well as Crush Vigor that causes the target to lose 15 chi for each hit they take. Kinda hard for a BM to get their stun off when it requires 30 chi..

    Sounds like a cat playing with a mouse instead of just killing it. -lol Wouldn't BMs in PK have MP charms, and CV takes about 1/5 the amount of time it's effective just to ch/cast it?.
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  • SeaStorm - Heavens Tear
    SeaStorm - Heavens Tear Posts: 315 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Depends on the person I think Tweakz. I've run across a good number that only stock HP charms not mana. Anyways it's personal play style and what works for each person.
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  • NiaJade - Harshlands
    NiaJade - Harshlands Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Actually I find the Fox Form skills useful no matter the build....
    Amplify Damage and Purge are a must but Leech and Befuddling Mist have saved my life a few times by stealing HP back and making the mob miss. I'm an Arcane Venomancer so my focus is on the Magic skill tree but I have maxed/leveled a lot of my Fox Form skills.

    I agree both of mine are Demon and the 100 has all but 2 of her Demon skills (Robe only has about 5/6 of hers). They really take a bite out of the target.

    One is LA and high refines, one is Robe and solid equips (from boxes), but no refines. The LA can take on barbs/bms easily, but the Robe is weak to them. The LA hits 11k (non-crit and has a 20% crit rate) but my Robe has a -20 casting.

    Honestly, both have nixes but both are not perfect for pvp because I run into issues. Magic kills LA easier, and Melee kill Robe easier. So I have to use different tactics in pvp.
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  • _Leiian_ - Heavens Tear
    _Leiian_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    go pure magic, aa sharded with garnets and citrines, try to get good -chan and if u can, get a nix. Work on getting +phy def bonuses from armor (for example lunar magical rings or mold 96 cloack) and well, a phy def necklace with +5% hp (mold 87 - hh90 gold - lunar gold) is good too. Maybe better if refined a bit.
    With foxform (sage one is better if u have to tank) and bramble hood u can also resist to eas for a bit. Nix will do its work in the meanwhile. And idk, but i think that a pure mag veno can also try to 1-2shot (with crits) an ea.
    What about bm? Bms are scared of nix. They cant use mag marrow till nix is on them, so, if u're enuf good to run from them and keep nix alive or stun them, u can also drop em down. If u go demon, u can also kill them faster.

    Wiz: is almost all nix's job on them. U just have to keep wiz stunned for a bit and deal some dmgs.

    Psy is like wiz.

    Sin...uhm...never pk'd a sin with veno so i cant help ya. Maybe is like a wr, just a bit squishier.
  • Dandelyn - Heavens Tear
    Dandelyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sins are a real pain in the beehive when you're an arcane veno. If you happen to see them before they get to you you can at least pop and anti-stun pot or bramble hood. Another tactic is to call your nix in and set it to defend with pounce ready, that way when the sin comes out of stealth and stuns you, nix stuns them back (just hope they don't one shot you first).

    As far as "build" goes, the armor you chose doesn't matter as much as your battle tactics and knowledge of your own and other's weaknesses. It's pretty much touch and go, every pvp situation is different and how you react is what will most likely determine the outcome of the fight.

    My personal recommendations:

    Open PK I'd go with arcane or light for the raw nuking/critical hit power.

    As far as TW goes, it's all about doing your job as a veno which is first and foremost purge/crush vigor/stun the cata barbs, nix the clerics, and nova every chance you get. To do all that you gotta survive as long as possible to get in close. Heavy armor venos tend to last longer in most situations (HA gives more overall defense and hp). Just keep in mind if you do go HA you're losing out on a lot of damage output and pet healing power.

    If you do choose to go AA/LA and TW, you'll have to use more hit and run tactics. Stock up on Vacuity powders (anti-stun) and get a genie that can spam holy path.

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  • SeaStorm - Heavens Tear
    SeaStorm - Heavens Tear Posts: 315 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I actually find it faster to use fox form against arcanes all but one (and I'm not bothering to max that one) of my fox skills are max'd at lvl 11. Since most arcanes tend not to have a high phy defense it's faster vs fighting against a high magic def with mage vs mage. Considering you can use leech to steal hp, stun them etc.

    BM/Barb wise when I drop into fox my pdef matches or exceeds (w/in 1k of) my mdef (buff and unbuffed). So gives me a chance to get in debuff, soul degen, amp and get back to range to magic attack them.

    Personally I hate hit and run tactics but am learning to use it against specific types of chars due to their abilities.

    Take what you want from what any of us have said, use what fits your play style. Modify it to fit you and see how it goes. Continuing to change and evolve your tactics just improves you over time.
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  • Queenofpower - Dreamweaver
    Queenofpower - Dreamweaver Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    pure arcane build, try to get hp up a bit and wearing pdef ornaments helps. Need some vit though for survivability. Main advantages

    1. Range!! very usefull. even helps kill archers who usually try to our range opponents
    Range is wat has stopped me from going heavy fox. Would be great if some one could explain how heavy fox venos can get over this lack of range problem (Commonly faced problem by barbs)

    2. along with nix u too will do massive damage.

    Dis advantage - low pdef

    Tactics (Arcane with bit of Vit)

    1) For Archers/BMs if we hood before getting killed in first hit, possible to nuke them in

    2-3 sparked hits l8er. Anti stun pot very handy. ( personaly i triple spark nova them.)

    Purge BMs

    2. Sins...big pain...Survive the first hit (need pdef for this. refined pdef ornaments usefull)

    Set nix on defend with pounce and have expel on genie... If u survive first hit then can

    nuke them easily later...dont even need spark....(applies to normal sins...not ones

    wearing full nirvana with 10k+hp....in case of these use pots..still mostly u will die b:surrender.)


    3. Barbs - Kite if they invoke..their arma usually seems to miss b:chuckle nuke em then...
    Purging helps.....tat hp buff on them is good

    4. Clerics (hate tat sleep attk) and psys lol battle can last long....my one pk duel with a cleric lasted 10 mins....at high level nix doesnt do enuff damage against good gears. Remember to purge em helps a lot

    5. Wizzy.....kill fast...else they end up nuking u


    Range also helps in tw. With everybody having big refined weps its all a matter of who stuns/sleeps the opponent first and then nukes.
  • Kenichiiii - Sanctuary
    Kenichiiii - Sanctuary Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I like:

    Get -50-60% channeling

    Spark & Send Nix

    Pew Pew Pew

    Run Away (Personally I like Teleport Incense)

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