After all that talk about pride

youllnevergetme wrote: »

Couldn't have been CQ members because CQ wasn't around. It was Kami and Essence.

Anyway, point proven. The "HATE" you people say Spectral had is unfounded. They were willing to stay neutral until KOS was called. Seems like the "Save the server" thing which I might add was never actually stated by anyone in Spectral, was to prevent a 1 color boring map. Isn't that what Kami is trying to prevent now? Oh how the tides have turned. Irony.

Can we all yell Kami is Safing the server now too?

Keep it movin.

The tides have turned have they? Spectral owns the map and CQ is spreading hilarious propaganda around the server?! Damn I gotta log in to see this. Evil greede spectral.

youllnevergetme wrote: »

Couldn't have been CQ members because CQ wasn't around. It was Kami and Essence.

Anyway, point proven. The "HATE" you people say Spectral had is unfounded. They were willing to stay neutral until KOS was called. Seems like the "Save the server" thing which I might add was never actually stated by anyone in Spectral, was to prevent a 1 color boring map. Isn't that what Kami is trying to prevent now? Oh how the tides have turned. Irony.

Can we all yell Kami is Safing the server now too?

Keep it movin.

@. Anywho, as I remember it Essence had more KOS than Kamisama at the time. Kamisama started to lose members to Ess because they were bored without PK and moved to Essence. I can't recall if it was because Essence had Spectral on KOS already or if it was another guild, it's been such a long time.

Either way I don't think there's been any true "hate" from either side, besides from a few individuals. More or less it's just about rivalries to spark up interest and something to do in game (and outside of game for those who enjoy forum drama :P). Whoever called it first isn't really a big deal when both sides seemed to have enjoyed it. I always thought Daikoku and Athran had talked about it beforehand though.

Win or lose in TW who cares as long as people enjoy it. I always enjoyed wars that would lasted at least an hour or more over the wars that wouldn't even last 15minutes (destroying or getting destroyed QQ). I can't speak for the guild as a whole though since I'm inactive outside of TW.

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Ok, I won't disagree with any of that.




A number of people have mentioned this recently and it's gone unaddressed.

Essence KOS used to be 30-40 factions long, most of them were known-RPK guilds that no longer existed or small guilds that attacked Essence officers early on. Quite frankly, the list used to be quite difficult to read through if you were checking for KOS or not and was cleaned up quite a bit.

In case anyone cared, not that I think they do this is the current complete KOS:

aerials
Corinthia
Hashishin
Kamisama
NcN
NeoNavi
Nooblets
OUTLAWS
Rogaine
Spectral
ThaClick
*UNITY*

Of course add to that known RPK guilds which are open game to almost every faction, not just ours... Take out the 'usual suspects' and what's left is a few 'who cares/they're gone/alt' factions. Not really a big list at all, IMO.

True it is not really a very large KoS list.. but i think one of the biggest reasons behind the dislike toward Essence as a guild has to due with the fact that at every event or even just in pvp) alot of thier members will use every aoe skill they can (i think as much to kill whoever as to try and do damage to a boss or mobs or KoS target) and for alot of people that are trying these events or enjoying a bit of thier own individual pvp it kinda spoils it for them.

Now I am not saying that I haven't done that at a few events as well (or during open field pvp) but , not all of them. And to be honest with some exceptions to maybe magic user ulti's most aoe skills are not the best way to deal direct damage to a boss or another player so are therefore kinda unecessary unless you are doing it to 'control' the event or the area.

Again, before the phlaming starts... I know this is a pvp server and that it should be expected but... maybe allowing others to sometimes attend and compete in an event without being killed every time they get near a boss or try to enjoy some open field pvp without getting hit by aoe would make people 'hate' less.

People will always be jealous of the strong so there will always be an intense dislike of any guild that can and does try to flex its unified might to control the way things are
right now that is being directed toward those of you in Essence, but even that will change IF other guilds like Kami can fight back and start a direction of change.

Trelmanor - Lost City wrote: »

True it is not really a very large KoS list.. but i think one of the biggest reasons behind the dislike toward Essence as a guild has to due with the fact that at every event or even just in pvp) alot of thier members will use every aoe skill they can (i think as much to kill whoever as to try and do damage to a boss or mobs or KoS target) and for alot of people that are trying these events or enjoying a bit of thier own individual pvp it kinda spoils it for them.

Now I am not saying that I haven't done that at a few events as well (or during open field pvp) but , not all of them. And to be honest with some exceptions to maybe magic user ulti's most aoe skills are not the best way to deal direct damage to a boss or another player so are therefore kinda unecessary unless you are doing it to 'control' the event or the area.

Again, before the phlaming starts... I know this is a pvp server and that it should be expected but... maybe allowing others to sometimes attend and compete in an event without being killed every time they get near a boss or try to enjoy some open field pvp without getting hit by aoe would make people 'hate' less.

People will always be jealous of the strong so there will always be an intense dislike of any guild that can and does try to flex its unified might to control the way things are
right now that is being directed toward those of you in Essence, but even that will change IF other guilds like Kami can fight back and start a direction of change.

Agreed. All the complaints are valid... I've never really stated otherwise. My only points were, that's it's not really unique to us now. Pretty much the same thing was true when the map was all red. I don't know how many times there was an RQ or BLT "near" me... and I heard "oh sorry, I aoe'd and got you by accident". Everyone who PK's enjoys letting off accidental AoEs from time to time... or actually getting to dig a few chests before CQ camped the redemption point until the instance closed just to spite people from even turning in their rewards. It's a PvP server, PK happens, and of course a dominant faction is gonna be mostly responsible for ruining other people's fun.

As for PKing Celestial Tiger? I know Essence has been responsible for a lot of pk aoes, and of course there are accidents however, they're most likely intentional. I think Rogaine pretty much pk'd everyone at their boss spots, for a couple of months there were people on top of the rankings who just shouldn't have been there... but that didn't really matter because they weren't in power at the time.

Anyway, whatever... I started the other thread because there was some fun to be had... Out of all the trolling of the last year or so... all the personal attacks on specific people... from all sides, poking fun at the merger was impersonal and fun. And anyone who would deny there isn't quite a bit of irony in it and that it isn't a troll-worthy topic really need to lighten up. All that is left is the fun of TW for the most part... nothing wrong with pushing a few buttons and pissing off or deliberately polarizing people. It'll make TW a little more fun if anything. If not, I just end up looking like an idiot and honestly I don't care what someone on an internet game thinks. I'm just here having fun and I won't deny trolling is fun too.

b:pleased

Biggyluv - Lost City wrote: »

o0, essence losing TW? Do I need to come back since sounds like some competition? Where is Spectral in all of this?

OMG BIGGGY COME BAAAACK
I MISSS YOUUUU



... seriously though, preez?

Valrain - Archosaur wrote: »

I'm happy to see that TWs are still going and might actually be competitive. I returned to LC from Arch a couple of weeks ago, and I was surprised to see an almost entirely red map. On Arch, I was in a guild that was taking over the entire map; TWs got boring and infrequent. Once we disbanded (not by choice >.<) the server really picked up and TWs started going like gangbusters. It actually became more fun. I haven't been back long enough to see how many TWs there are each week, but it does seem like Essence is holding their own fine so far. Once I get my psy here to 100, I will be applying to one of the big guilds - win or lose, TW is still a lot of fun.

On a side note, I refuse to say anything bad about Michael_Dark, Essence or otherwise (not that I have anything bad to say anyway). He's one of my forum heroes, speaking out so loudly against the evil named "TW Pay in Mirages" **** that happened several months ago. b:victory Here's hoping that TW pay comes back, and that they'll make it retroactive!

OMG Val you back on LC?

This is Tivas pm me in game and add on FL Bro...

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

I guess you're right. Spectral always attacked Kami because it was the obviously weaker target at the time. They actually would have wiped you off the map if we hadn't intervened. All it took was the injection of your server-old arch enemies to be able to actually win a fair fight. Your youtube video count doesn't make you more intelligent either. b:pleased

I need to correct You. Actually Kamisama was always harder than Essence in TW for Spectral. Usually our wars lasted longer than the ones with ur guild for many reasons - they had different strategy, their pullers like Susa or Nasty didnt try to pull cata in human form and perdition ppl, they also never put Asiris or other good DD as a catapuller like u did with Elayne.

The only reason why Spectral had to focus on 1 of the guilds was the fact that switching targets between Kami and Ess every week would lead us into situation that we would need to defend Thousand Streams every week and take 1 land back around 1k. Defending 8 catas every week is annoying, thats why we wanted to push Kami to the bottom of the map, knowing that You will never let them bypass any of ur lands, so we could finally focus on 1 vs 1 (Ess vs Spec) wars. Take note: You won 1k with a CRYSTAL WALK exactly for that reason. Too bad when we reached that goal, too many bad things started to happen in Spectral, too many important left the game, so You guys started to finally win on battlefield. Spectral couldnt push Essence away and form a natural border using Kamisama how it was possible with Kamisama. It was the only solution. Spectral was getting multi attacked every week and had to stop it somehow, specially as Daikoku, Midnight and Mikoto refused to cease fire (Spectral offered it few times to Kamisama).

Im pretty sure that Essence will face similiar situation soon, getting triple and more attacked by LC factions. Elayne will have to decide which lands are the most important for him, which guilds are more important to fight. One thing I can ensure You is that Spectral except the 1 bid on Harvester (that was kos, but obviously a rly weak faction and the bid was a punish for Schooled) have never ever bid on lowbies and weaker factions just TO HAVE lands like Essence did and is doing now (i.e bid on TC last week while Susa on forum announces that he is looking forward for fun TWs and that Essence doesnt care abt lands). Wish You gl defending multiple attacks, You guys really deserve it.

@Mikoto

Spectral stayed neutral when new guilds were formed. Daikoku was the 1st to announce Spectral is KOS on world chat. The reason was - we are bored. Essence KOS'd Spectral few days later after some pvp in Hidden Orchid when Kamisama couldnt handle the fight vs Spectral alone. I remember Daikoku talking to Athran on vent that he is making Kamisama and that he is willing to drop old grudges and give it a fresh start. Ofc the KOS was fun and tbh i was glad it happened, because sometimes our ppl were going nuts, because they couldnt kill any1. Abt LTX - after CQ disbanded - they left Spectral and formed their own guild. Check Mayia's topic and You will see they had a land for 2 weeks I think, so LTX couldnt be a reason of KOS on Spectral. I just wanted to clear this nonsense.

b:bye Lost Cityb:bye

You win Essence.b:surrender

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

b:bye Lost Cityb:bye

You win Essence.b:surrender

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

No, I'm pretty sure everyone just lost.

Or we can all decide to kos the rank8 nubs. Regardless if in your guild or not.
hunt them, kill them. Make it so they regret it.

(may not work.. but would sure be fun in these last days of pwi before it's sent to its grave)

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

LTX did atack kami early when it was form ;x

I remember all the pk at west



Essence cant directly "help kami"

Double tw against a faction.. Only means they have chance to get a land but lose 2 if they cant defend.

We all know essence got candy tws.. aka crystal wars. I have no complain, At least we enjoyed the good tws back when it wasnt full of sins or stupidly kill farming gear.


Dropzio pretty much told you.. They were gonna focus kami till they could 1v1 the other faction. Spectral commit the error of starting in the map in the middle of it.


Plus look at the maps.. half the TWs essence did were against baddie factions or minions/mobs/pve tw..

Actually, Essence only TW'd against 2 NPC wars. We did that because unlike Spectral and Kamisama, the majority of my faction at the time was still new to TW and it gave us a chance to familiarize people with the TW map and also let them experience something that is rare on the server now (you can't get NPC TW's anymore).

As for the Crystal walks. I have said this before, Essence went after other factions who had land so that we wouldn't have to 'crystal' walk every week against Spectral. We only intervened against Spectral when Kamisama started losing land consistently each week. And even then, during 2x attacks with Kamisama we often waited for Spectral to finish their fights before we took their lands. If we had wanted we could have easily just walked through your lands back when Spectral couldn't beat Kamisama.

As for our recent tactics, if a guild is going to exploit a 2x or 3x attack I will take their land back from them the following week. Calling us cowards for taking land back from TC is ironic considering we at least show up for all our wars. If you're man enough to take a land via a Crystal walk at least be man enough to show up and defend it.

You can hate on Essence all you want, we were honorable in our TW decisions, we just played our cards right and have never stabbed our ally in the back. The only reason Essence started TW'n against Kamisama was because we agreed with Midnight that the two factions needed someone else to fight because Spectral was gone and people were bored with Crystal walking.

Furthermore, it was not Essence that removed the 'protected' lands for weaker factions from the map, you can thank the not so noble members of Rogaine for that who are now members of Kamisama.

Flame away.

Elayne - Lost City wrote: »

And even then, during 2x attacks with Kamisama we often waited for Spectral to finish their fights before we took their lands. If we had wanted we could have easily just walked through your lands back when Spectral couldn't beat Kamisama.

You waited once maybe twice. Didn't know that amount equated to often.

youllnevergetme wrote: »

You waited once maybe twice. Didn't know that amount equated to often.

Essence stopped waiting for Spectral because they were being dlcks to Kami triple attacking them witih Koi/Click so Kami was losing a land to Spectral every week. We had our allies backs and this is the thanks we get.

Also LOLKAMILOST1V1THISWEEK. Glilforin your post is invalid gtfo garbage bm.

Wadzio - Lost City wrote: »

I need to correct You. Actually Kamisama was always harder than Essence in TW for Spectral. Usually our wars lasted longer than the ones with ur guild for many reasons - they had different strategy, their pullers like Susa or Nasty didnt try to pull cata in human form and perdition ppl, they also never put Asiris or other good DD as a catapuller like u did with Elayne.

The only reason why Spectral had to focus on 1 of the guilds was the fact that switching targets between Kami and Ess every week would lead us into situation that we would need to defend Thousand Streams every week and take 1 land back around 1k. Defending 8 catas every week is annoying, thats why we wanted to push Kami to the bottom of the map, knowing that You will never let them bypass any of ur lands, so we could finally focus on 1 vs 1 (Ess vs Spec) wars. Take note: You won 1k with a CRYSTAL WALK exactly for that reason. Too bad when we reached that goal, too many bad things started to happen in Spectral, too many important left the game, so You guys started to finally win on battlefield. Spectral couldnt push Essence away and form a natural border using Kamisama how it was possible with Kamisama. It was the only solution. Spectral was getting multi attacked every week and had to stop it somehow, specially as Daikoku, Midnight and Mikoto refused to cease fire (Spectral offered it few times to Kamisama).

Im pretty sure that Essence will face similiar situation soon, getting triple and more attacked by LC factions. Elayne will have to decide which lands are the most important for him, which guilds are more important to fight. One thing I can ensure You is that Spectral except the 1 bid on Harvester (that was kos, but obviously a rly weak faction and the bid was a punish for Schooled) have never ever bid on lowbies and weaker factions just TO HAVE lands like Essence did and is doing now (i.e bid on TC last week while Susa on forum announces that he is looking forward for fun TWs and that Essence doesnt care abt lands). Wish You gl defending multiple attacks, You guys really deserve it.

@Mikoto

Spectral stayed neutral when new guilds were formed. Daikoku was the 1st to announce Spectral is KOS on world chat. The reason was - we are bored. Essence KOS'd Spectral few days later after some pvp in Hidden Orchid when Kamisama couldnt handle the fight vs Spectral alone. I remember Daikoku talking to Athran on vent that he is making Kamisama and that he is willing to drop old grudges and give it a fresh start. Ofc the KOS was fun and tbh i was glad it happened, because sometimes our ppl were going nuts, because they couldnt kill any1. Abt LTX - after CQ disbanded - they left Spectral and formed their own guild. Check Mayia's topic and You will see they had a land for 2 weeks I think, so LTX couldnt be a reason of KOS on Spectral. I just wanted to clear this nonsense.

tl;dr

Wadzio Spectral couldn't beat Kami 1v1 so they tripled with trash like Koi and Click. Once Essence took 1k they defended it without ever losing it what do you have to say about that? Spectral never was any good when they had more than 4 catas.

Essence originally broke our truce with Spectral because in pvp Spectral always implemented the ever so amazing zerg tactic and we were tired of watching you zerg will dozens for 1 party. I specifically remember watching a fight where you brought 6 people just to kill KioshiRyu and that was when in vent myself, Elayne, and Trappe said ** this and we started killing you to help our friends.

Now Wadzio kindly stay in your pitiful existence as the leader of a joke guild and forever a terrible mage. b:thanks

paralleogram wrote: »

Susa post on your main account.
Your attempt to troll via that name is horrid.

Not trolling speaking the truth and I can't cuz I got banned from forum

@Elayne

Essence waited for us ONCE. Spectral waited for Essence also ONCE. It was at very start when You wanted to practice TW and it was agreed between me and Maveena. Essence NEVER EVER waited for us in TW later (if You waited plz tell me when since You have all histories from ur TWs), we also never had to wait for You as You never had double attack from Spectral + other guild.

As for tactics I totally understand it and I already mentioned this, but I would like to recall Your own words that You dont care abt lands and You want challenge and fun TWs. I understand Your way of leading and I agree with that, just please dont try to false the reality to look good.

@Susa

First double attack was on Spectral - Essence attacking on Archosaur, Kamisama on SIlk RIdge. I believe You should call urself dlcks as after 2 weeks we started to team up vs Kamisama with FinalOath (that b4 used to be Spectral KOS) - we also had to activate our allies. Fail point is fail point. Check map topic.

I cant understand those ex-Spectral joining Rogayne and then Kamisama, but well its their choice. At the end I thought You were happy, because of fun TWs. Tuff TWs and losing 2 lands is changing ur mind already? Sad to see.

Spectral, attacked 1k only once after You took it over. You got 1k on crystal walk. Spectral catapullers were always way better than Essence. We defended so many times City of Lost, Plume with less catas that You shouldnt ever brag abt the superiority of Essence pullers. Go pull cata in human form more and perdition for fast charm tick LOL.