aps vs refines

4.35 aps doesn't exist, Pwcalc rounds it wrong, should be 5.

First of all, the BM will be 5 aps sparked. PWcalc shows it wrong as 4.35 aps.

Anyway... I think the problem here is the weapon refines. +2 Lunar claws are equal to damage of +10 Nirvana soulsphere. Which is not what people want. They want casters to deal equal DPS to melee classes with the same refines and equipment costs in general.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

To clarify this: The BM can permasparm, but the psy cannot, so comparing their DPS when both are sparked is kinda moot. Especially since the chi gain of a psy kinda sucks.

thanks for making sense of my manical ramblings

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

And then what? What happens after all classes at endgame have roughly the same DPS? At that point, you start comparing their DPH and other stats and you come to conclusions such as:
LA sucks
Claws/Daggers/Fists have crappy DPH
AA Wizards got higher defenses than any other classes in the game

Doesn't matter, they will still want equal DPS. Or, to reword it, they want to farm just as fast as physical classes.

Which is (probably) the reason why this thread was posted here.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Doesn't matter, they will still want equal DPS. Or, to reword it, they want to farm just as fast as physical classes.

Exactly, non-aps users are probably just sick of seeing aps users get rich and funding their gear while arcane users just sit there and get depressed over it.

Getting -int takes loads of money, but once you get a 5.0 build, the returns far surpass the money you put into the gears getting you 5.0 aps.

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Exactly, non-aps users are probably just sick of seeing aps users get rich and funding their gear while arcane users just sit there and get depressed over it.

Getting -int takes loads of money, but once you get a 5.0 build, the returns far surpass the money you put into the gears getting you 5.0 aps.

yes, so?
i never asked for a free boost for casters btw.

@OP: i've done some rough calculations myself btw.
5aps +12 tt100 bm > 6x rank9 +12, dot sharded armor psys

btw a sage psy with chi siphon+white tea could spark 3 times per minute i think

@Maragon
So going by another example, you mean to say that my Ferrari should give me the same mileage as my corolla?

Or my gold plated corolla have the ability go at the same top speed as a Ferrari?

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is that a max of 1 min also since white tea has cd of 2 mins...?

during 2 min:
white tea: 200 chi
2x chi siphon: 2x200 = 400 chi
2x li: 100 chi

in theory, a heavy stacked -chan psy could make ~10chi per sec so 1100 chi required to get 1800 = 6 tripple sparks in 2 min = 3 per min doesnt sound out of reach.

havent done detailed calculations yet though

to reiterate.....NOT TALKING ABOUT PVP

Your thread is titled APS vs Refines, your first post simply made a raw DPS comparison, without mentioning how this applies to either aspect of the game, then you just call it an imbalance. That is why I posted in response to that.

Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"there are very few situations anymore where you need high aoe damage outside of FC

Actually, high aoe damage isn't really a factor in FCC, apart from on the dragons, as all the mobs die so quickly anyway. It's high DPS on the bosses that makes or breaks a fast run.

Then what are you suggesting? Currently, I'd say top geared BMs are not nearly as scary as top geared wizards in PvP. You can feel free to argue with me on this but I don't think many are going to agree with you. So what? You want to increase caster DPS? You want everyone to get one-shot more easily? How much more?

Like I said before in other threads, you want to balance PvE you adjust PvE. You don't touch the classes or their equipment unless you're prepared to balance both aspects of the game. For example: I once suggested splitting one of the bosses into 5 smaller bosses, but each have 1/5 the hp, so classes could use AOE abilities to deal respectable damage output while still keeping fist DPS on these bosses the same.

Suppose a wizard has 10k base damage with a +5 TT100, that wizard would deal about 5k DPS to a single boss with Dragon's Breath, but 25k DPS to 5 such bosses simultaneously.

People thought that made wizards too easy, as BMs spend hundreds of millions to achieve 5.0 but a wizard would only need a +5 wep to deal so much DPS? Maybe numbers can be adjusted. How about splitting into 3 bosses instead? The point is still that, they should change PvE only in order to balance PvE.

Imo in pvp, a fist bm is much much more scary than a wiz in pvp. Once a fist bm lands a stun on you, its pretty much over. Yes, even with expel, domin etc etc. At least when wiz is casting any of the 59 spells like BIDS and sutra, its easily negated by domain or other stuns. I am very sure top geared wiz would easily get killed by a top geared bm in a sec.
BMs have more damage (MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE DPS),much higher HP, similar defence (with marrow) and much more control skills. Its just lol.

Lets get back to the past (first few months of pwi) when archer was still considered the best dps class, followed by wizard. At that time, the game was still considered balanced by most (Dont see much complaints last time until nix was introduced).
Archers and wizards were damage dealers (THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DAMAGE DEALERS), BMs were stunners/amp/secondary tankers, Barb were tankers. Every class has their own roles in dungeons and pvp. Now, BMs took over the actual damage dealers in dps, they are still tankers, maybe even better than barb now? , they still can stun and amp like they did last time. 4 out of 6 of the old classes are now not needed in most dungeons. If given a choice between BM and the rest of the class, why would anyone want damage dealers(supposedly) archers and wizards when they are one of the worst damage dealers now, why would anyone want a barb when it cannot hold aggro nor deal much damage, why would anyone want a cleric when event pots+pvp pots+Bm's own healing pretty much keeps the bm alive. HOW IS THIS EVEN BALANCED? 5APS totally screwed **** up