Thread for GM's, How to get people playing casters again

JaydeMonkey - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pretty sure he didn't read it. I didnt ask to change anything about 5.0. If your a melee squad you are already stuffed.

OH NO arhcers will be the most sort after instead of of something else? Barbs can't hold agro with high aps anyway, unless they are aps themselves. Even with seal on barbs but not on casters they are going to be able to hold agro, and aps classes are still going to be doing 5x more damage.

I am mostly talking about high end instances where all bosses seal constantly, melee classes that arnt APS already are as useless as casters on these bosses, so what I am suggesting would actually help archers. Unfortunately it wont help non aps melee. But to be honest it is rare to see anyone level 100+ that doesn't have an APS set, even 3.0+ you are out damaging casters by alot.

How about you come up with something? I do not want to see melee Nerf'd as it would be back to 2-4 hour long instances which nobody enjoys.

Pretty Sure i did read the OP. I've said this often and gotten alot of support. You cant just boost casters as if they're the ONLY ones who are not getting into squads? What about non-APS sins and BMs? what about Barbs? What about Foxform Venos? The problem is not just a problem casters are having. Any nerf to address the problem, has to address the ACTUAL problem, and not just 1 portion of those affected. You want everyone in melee range to still be affected by the boosted Nirvana while giving the casters an easier time, and thats a fail solution. So how about rather then assuming i havent read it and am just trolling, you read my post and the point i made which is a very valid point.

as i said b4 in another thread....make every1's base aps 5.0......the no1 can QQ about not having it....course bow archers would pwn then cause bow dmg per shot > fist dmg per hit......u know its true

^ Truths and then some.

If Melee's main damage increase (interval) is way OP, why not change mage damage increase to be equally OP? Make channeling gear effect skill cooldown as well, and also increase mana regen.

The 5.0 APS thing is getting out of hand. Running into 5.0 Clerics, Psy, Veno, etc., is starting to become more common.

Hey, you know what? Totally nerf Magic Shell, increase the MDef bonus that the magic stat point gives for each mage class, and increase the amount of magic damage each magic damage boss does everywhere. Voila, mage classes are useful again.

1st idea Make Phy immune boss in Nirvana.
2nd make myst tome frags tradable for uncanies ( since u kinda need rainbow sqd in there... i mean Rebirth ), or basically better drops in Rebirth (so ppl can learn how to play their classes), u made rebirth BIG important part of game, i mean culti i mean RB, i mean chrono quest for unlocking maps... so wy not fix it ? coz thats 1king problem its really annoying
4th Make NIRVANA instance with rainbow bonus... shldnt be that hard to add some kind of auras or something
5rd arcane instance
6th make hardcore chaneling gear for arcane DDrs ( Psy, Wiz) <= but this one will be probably deadly idea in TW

Well ppls spended alot of money to get all those 5APS gears so nerfing back to 3,33 well not fair with all those ppls that started alts just to have 5 aps... so killing 3 spark (wich will affect other classes aswell that uses chi pots...) is bad idea,,,, since charm is allready done they need to keep 5 APS cap... but nerfing instances, or making them more "friendly" to other classes is another thing...

There is another game where they have a class that has insane high APS. There a BP = battle priest ,who fights with knuckles (fists) has 8.0 APS......

Those Bp's there are so overpowering with their stunns and speed and they can selfbuff themselves (they are clerics) , that about 60% of the total toons are BP's.

The game became so unbalanced that it wasn't fun to play anymore. So they nerfed that class in some way just to even the odds. After that, server population DEcreased by 40%.

Every game has the same problems. Now here all you hear it seems is how much aps someone can obtain and how much it costs and what not.

I for one am getting tired of all that **** about aps. So bosses go down fast with 5.0. so what ? An instance run is over before you know it and thats it. Where is the fun in that ?

The fastest run i ever saw was my FB89. 5.0 and boom, done.
Did i learn anything ? no
Did i have fun ? no
Do i even know the bosses there and what they do ? no freakin clue.

Everyones aiming for the highest lvl and the Uber amazing gear that they forget that the goal is not the fun part, its to road you follow that is. And don't tell me farming nirvana constantly or running the same thing xx times/day is fun. It's mindnumbing.

How about this idea make Fist/Claws usable by only the BM's so archers will have to use bows and sins will be the only other 5.0 melee class.

MyuMyu - Harshlands wrote: »

My solution is for the dev to make new set of Gears or whatever (which requires money as much Melee ppl waste to get to 5 APS), and while wearing that set and they use 3 Sparks, all Magic users will have zero casting, much much faster action time, and faster cooldown too for a few seconds.

That would fix your pve problem but it would create a pvp problem. Imagine a wiz with instant channel, instant cast and the sage black ice dragon, aoe skill with a +30 chance to crit half the time + under constant 3 spark like pve bms. With distance shrink and silence having a lower cooldown. This would make my wiz main really happy b:pleased.

Rank 8 now costs about as much as a decently refined tomeless 5aps LA hybrid build.

Dawnx_ - Harshlands wrote: »

How would that be making them useless? They can still DD and if the enemy gets to close they could spam metal attacks and the close range attack.

they would DD like a wizzard or a psy. well, a bit more since they can use -int too.

also known as no DD at all. therefore everyone would just make a bm/sin and move their stuff there. gratz, u eliminated the archer population

Magic class's are not dps classes. They are not meant to do as much damage per unit of time as dps classes are meant to do. Why do people not understand this?

seems you have no understanding of a mmorpg game.
In a standard mmorpg when a class is created ,it is meant to have some role in every aspect of game.
A dd is made to deal damage both in pvp and pve.in pve servers we spend 90% of our time in pve and in pve this is DPS that matters.if it is not so this is developers fault that has made pve unbalanced.

5aps isn't everything.

5 aps is not the problem.probelm is unbalance between wizards/psychics and other classes.
even a non aps melee class is a better dd than an equally geared caster class.
a cleric is usefull for healing and veno pet can tank.so they have some use in pve.but magic dd classes that are meant to make highest damage,have lowest DPS.
we dont want a normal geared magic classes make the same amount of DPS as a high aps class.
what we want is that equally geared casters and melee classes make equal DPS.

Interval sins have terrible magic defense, meaning magic users can easily one shot us and it doesn't matter how fast you can kill some boss when it has a magic attack that kills you in one hit.

every one knows that sins are overpowered in pvp.
i can say that casters have terrible phys defence, meaning melee users can easily kill us.
but if you know how to use your skills against other classes pvp is fairly balanced if we dont consider overpowered sins.

You say this is about pve not pvp, but you can't really talk about one without the other.

but you easily ignore pve that we spend 90% of our time in it and just talk about pvp.

I could sit here all day making q.q threads about how fail sins are at tw and demand bramble to be removed from the game as it ruins tw for sins and other aps users. But I don't

sins are not fail in TW if you know how play them and what is your role in TW.
but even if they were fail ,you have the right to ask devs to correct this problem to make TW enjoyable for sins.

You're saying you want magic users to get more powerful so they can pve equal to dps classes. This just shows that you're lazy and want all instances to be fast and easy.

instances are not fast and easy for melee classes unless they are high aps.
we just want to be as usefull as melee classes and be accepted in squads.
they can make gears like -int gears for casters so, when they get those gears their DPS equals with melee aps classes.ofcourse they need hard work to get but at least it gives us some chance for us to have equal DPS with high aps guys.
but now a caster's DPS with best gears is not even near to a 5 aps DPS.
a good solution that is said before is reducing bosses mag res in a way that equally geared casters and
melees do the same amount of DPS on boss.

And lets not forget, if they, made wizards as good at pve as sins, sins would then want to be as good at tw as wizards.

all classes have some role in TW.so that is not a problem,and they dont kicks you out of TW because you are a sin.

Classes are different for a reason. the game wouldn't be too much fun if every class was exactly the same.

this is true when every class has some use in the game.
but useless classes like wiz and psychics dont make game more fun because they have lost their role as dd in pve.

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

you don't actually WANT a fix, you just want to nerf what bugs you.

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

scream for nerfs because you can't find friends or faction makes that don't want to take you anywhere.

[QUOTE=Michael_Dark - Lost City;11180532you act like the only people who farm anything are aps classes and everyone else just sits around and complains. [/QUOTE]

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

that's just BS and a cop out expecting handouts.

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

you're acting that you have a stink around you and nobody wants to play with you.

Okay, I'm honestly amazed at this. If you were to plot the distance between you and the nearest accurate representation of me and my situation, I could do a dozen world quests in the time it would take you to traverse it. >_>

I actually have quite a competent faction (albeit a small one). We have a nice handful of 100+s who have been hard at work learning Nirvana amongst themselves (acheiving great success in the matter, from what I hear)... and to my knowledge there is exactly one person in the fac who's entertaining ideas of going 5.0 (and he's a BM, so I can kinda-sorta forgive that). I have a couple other 100+ friends outside the fac who will help people out of pure boredom. And the saddest thing is, if I wanted handouts, I could probably get them. Hell, I've been given things of significant value that I had no use for whose previous owners just insisted I have them anyway despite my objections. If I cared about Nirvana, I'm certain that I could find a squad.

But I don't.

I know exactly how it's going to play out. When I hit 100 (which will be a long time from now, ftr), I'll probably approach my fac people about a couple of runs to get some hands-on experience of the instance. After this point I will likely do a run of Nirvana only when I'm bored, making a modest profit but not really caring about such. I will never own a piece of Nirvana gear. To put it simply, once I hit 100, I'm done save for helping others and leveling my alts.

So yeah, your assumption that I'm some noob desperately wanting Nirvana gear and QQing out of pure laziness is way off.

Is it that alien to you that people actually care about removing 5.0 because it's broken? This is a system that allows massive DD and tanking potential far beyond the reach of 99% of other characters. This is a system that's so "efficient" that it's caused classes that have no business using fists as a primary weapon to restat for them. This is a system that, although used by some competent people, also opens the door for a horde of egotistical oracle-noobs to prance through instances thinking they're invincible and that they deserve respect because of their gear, in some cases not knowing vital things about their class or game mechanics.

Do 5.0s "bug" me? Yes, a little. It bugs me when I have to do BH with a 5.0 sin who could probably solo the damn thing anyway, completely negating the point of a squad. It bugs me to see my own class ignoring their own role and identity for the sake of "efficiency." It bugs me that even clerics, in some cases, are no longer necessary.

And btw, it also bugs me how, when confronted with the idea of an aps nerf, most 5.0s will quickly change the topic or ignore it altogether. They refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that a nerf is the fix. They just deflect responsibility by assuming the person suggesting it is a noob looking for handouts, or by making other, similar ad-hominim attacks.

So yes, I feel a little justified in being "bugged" by it. That doesn't change the facts.