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Steopie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

song for dominus to play as our +12 r8 archers barrage your spawn point, while kashin runs in and drops an arma:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csfidcd_4FQ
b:cryb:cryb:surrender

Another Spectator how grand! GOOO TEAM!! GOOD JOB!!

Taleon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

but, we where asked to do something and followed instruction like we where asked at the time. so instead of commenting on that, you bash her for a decision that was not even her's to make. I see, GG Rule, look forward to this weekend then. prehaps I have another person to look for besides Raw to entertain myself as you get killed over and over.

"I was only following orders". You wear the faction name over your head, all of it's actions reflect on you. If my faction did things I considered wrong, I would change it or leave. Others would just choose to stay 'cause they have that name over their heads. Which are you?

Taleon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if you want a good comparison to your baseball game and bashing people over the heads with a bat, why not look at it from a real stand point.
you came to a game to compete, with 1/4 a full roster of players that where on par. you do this every week time in and out, but expect something to "magically" change the outcome ?
so yeah, instead of hit home run time after time, we load the bases up and draw it out for a full blow out ?.

Thats the difference between you and I. I'm not gonna hit the opposing team with ball bats because the coach told me to.

I still TW because it's the only game in town, Sweetcheeks. I'll keep trying, and getting better, and stronger. You'll just get more bored. I have something to work toward. Don't you wish you did?

Taleon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if you want to QQ yourself over and over about getting spawn killed then call it out as such. if you want something to change so that you do not get spawn killed, hmm, figure out something you can do in TW to prevent that. other then that, I would probably feel that you might want to get use to it.

Thanks for the concern.

RedMenace

\looking forward to another TW
\\will treat opposing members with respect on the field, even if they don't do the same

Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Since Aesthor feels this post sums up Enrages stance the best lets go ahead and draw it out.

Two teams show up for a baseball game, they've both spent extensive time training and preparing, getting ready for thier game. The game finishes with one side the clear winner, no real surprise there. The victorious team then pickup thier baseball bats and begin striking the opposing team.
In consternation the victorious team screams and shouts and cries about how its wrong of the losing team to leave the field. They'd signed up! They DESERVE to be beaten with baseball bats!!

Lost is the concept of the baseball game and its competition. The sense of fun gone. In place of what should be a victorious team proud of thier achievement, stands an ugly stunted troll. Underfed, uneducated, dressed in rags picked from garbage. The ugly troll tries to tell the world how wonderful the winning team is! What great people they are! That they are misunderstood! That they can't be blamed! The crack addiction MAKES them behave like jackasses.

The 9 trolls watching the game cheer and shout!! How Wonderful!! Not thinking about all the empty seats, the spectators that never bothered to show up to the dying game.

Using your analogy of a baseball game, even if we score 20 home-runs in the first inning, you still have to play the full 9 innings or until the game is called.

Of course we do. Dominus doesn't provide us good TW's, so we're taking slight advantage of kill farming we can get for 30~ minutes because A) You're faction is full of high levels. Your faction has **** all for strategy. It's perfect for us

And duh we want good TW's. Why do you think we forfeit land to Drakon instead of Rad? If we cared about ourselves more then the fun factor, we would forfeit to Rad and not Drakon. Silly.

Also, you're one to talk. Weren't you the one who was relying on the fall of Enrage so Dominus could be strong? Such a good leader you are..oh such a good one indeed.

Uh yea that as well. The difference is Rule, your faction is going nowhere. You guys have been TWing together for how long now? Yet no matter what, all your fights with Enrage are 10 minutes. Minus the kill farming ones of course. Then, you look at Tao back in the day. Enrage was on a constant streak of rolling over Tao in 10 minutes. Then eventually, it got to the point where Tao was beating us. Now, look at Rad. We were constantly steam rolling them in under 25 minutes, sometimes even 10. And where do we stand today? Our fights are 1.5-1.75 hours each night for the most part. You can see some obvious improvement in each of the factions I've named above. Now look back at your faction and tell us what you, or others have done to get Belial/Dominus better.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Of course we do. Dominus doesn't provide us good TW's, so we're taking slight advantage of kill farming we can get for 30~ minutes because A) You're faction is full of high levels. Your faction has **** all for strategy. It's perfect for us

And duh we want good TW's. Why do you think we forfeit land to Drakon instead of Rad? If we cared about ourselves more then the fun factor, we would forfeit to Rad and not Drakon. Silly.

Also, you're one to talk. Weren't you the one who was relying on the fall of Enrage so Dominus could be strong? Such a good leader you are..oh such a good one indeed.

I'd hate to try and sort why you do any particular. At an outside guess it would be one the below.
A) its very easy for you to take the land back.
As long as Mono is running Drakon your never worried about it getting stronger.
C) For some reason your terrified of Rad gaining a land hold
D) If you no-showed them large sections of your faction would walk away for whichever reasons.

As a side note, wherever you pulled the "Weren't you the one who was relying on the fall of Enrage so Dominus could be strong" your not quoting it from anything I've said or done.

Naw, you're the ones who are upset because we kill farmed you =P
I'm doing just fine thanks ^^

On a site note Rule, it was your ex-enrage buddies who said it on vent one day. No need for you to try and hide it =P

Edit: did you forget to acknowledge the fact that your faction isn't going anywhere? I was semi-trying to help you you know.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Uh yea that as well. The difference is Rule, your faction is going nowhere. You guys have been TWing together for how long now? Yet no matter what, all your fights with Enrage are 10 minutes. Minus the kill farming ones of course. Then, you look at Tao back in the day. Enrage was on a constant streak of rolling over Tao in 10 minutes. Then eventually, it got to the point where Tao was beating us. Now, look at Rad. We were constantly steam rolling them in under 25 minutes, sometimes even 10. And where do we stand today? Our fights are 1.5-1.75 hours each night for the most part. You can see some obvious improvement in each of the factions I've named above. Now look back at your faction and tell us what you, or others have done to get Belial/Dominus better.

39 minute transit from work to home. Sincerely sorry for the delay.

You've asked a fantastic question and I'm personally impressed, it was the most constructive one of the thread.

Dominus has been working very hard to increase our performance in TW. Some of the things we've done recently to improve it have been:

Instituted mandatory level\refine\gear for recruitment. TT90 or better +3 or better. We've been working as a faction to improve our members gear and try to get it to at least this level for the existing members who aren't already. In some cases its not been popular but it certainly helps to survival. For those wishing to enter with lesser gear we've provided a sponsor system with reviews and deadlines to get those people up to par quickly.

Changed how we enter TW from a central location to multiple locations to increase speed of entrance. Our people are getting into the instance much faster than before. Required (in most squads cases) for our members to be mounted coming in to again increase speed entering the instance and to get people in place before the rush hits.

Completely reworked squad leads as well as squad composition in an effort to get more people buffs from BM\Barb\Cleric and to provide more comprehensive leadership while in TW.

Dedicated responsibilities for bind post, buffing, and towers. Towers are coming up faster with less resources and less confusion so that the body of players can be available more quickly.

Reworked ventrillo format and binding. Direct binds make life MUCH easier when working to take down 36k+ cata barbs.

Instituted mandatory TW faction wide (with additional responsibilities if someone can't make TW) This one was REALLY not popular.

New TW attendance\inactivity tracking (Required for mandatory TW)

Begun weekly faction meetings to go over TW means\methods\training. People know about bind posts, which apoths to use, genie skill preference, getting barrages interrupted, targeting clerics, purging, etc.

Weekly strategy meetings to discuss what works and doesn't.

Recording of TW for later review.

Worked on target calling, squad responsibilities. It might take 6 people to take down someone, but now they ARE dropping.

Regarding strategy MANY things have been tried different ways, the crux comes down to having the raw horsepower to stop your factions ONLY strategy of rushing up B with everything. Until we can stop your rush of 60-80 people on B, all the strategy in the world doesn't stop you getting to the crystal. It might not seem much, but TW times of 15+ minutes means we DID at least slow it down.

As additional notes of mention though they don't tie directly to TW they do relate. We have extremely little drama or stress in faction currently. We've worked very hard to weed it out and with our current method of application we (TRY to) keep the drama from ever coming in.

These are the things off the top of my head without reviewing any of the stack'o notes. Until we've got many players in faction that can stand up to Rank 8 +12 bows, we'll still not be able to 1vs1 with Enrage. If the server ever relents and gives us a decent sized faction to attack with I'd surely like to see where it puts us.

Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Recording of TW for later review.

Public domain please?

I don't know..if everything you said is true then you guys should be doing much better then you are now. You talk about the +12 archers we have. Yea, true. But what about the +12 wizard Dom has? The +11 psychic? Blahblah I know 1-2 people don't make a TW. But surely with the strong members you guys have you can do better?

I won't get into strategy talks here since this isn't a place to do it. Buuuut, there's no point in going brain nuts over strategy against Dominus..so..

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Dominus can probably hurt in a gank with Rad and Drakon, but their lousy luck of getting such a gank is at its highest. :P

TBH I would be more interested in how a Drakon/TE/Dominus gank went .

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

TBH I would be more interested in how a Drakon/TE/Dominus gank went .

TE = MsE sells D. orbs, and TsungFei sells anni packs, while doing something outside game, 3 members show up and lol about dying a lot. 3 people set up catshops selling 7x 3* gear on the spawn platform

Dominus runs around with no structure and gets a 2 cats out of their base in the first 5 minutes, soon to return and never leave again.

Drakon gets kill-farmed till they all leave the fight out of frustration, except KT who waits stealthed on B path waiting for people who got killed by spawnpoint turrets to run back to the enemy HQ.

Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Did I pull your chain? Guess I did at that. Well kid it goes like this, an "indication" is :

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1.Act of pointing out or indicating.
2.That which serves to indicate or point out; mark; token; sign; symptom; evidence.
The frequent stops they make in the most convenient places are plain indications of their weariness. Joseph Addison.
3.Discovery made; information.
4.(obsolete) Explanation; display. Francis Bacon.
5.(medicine) Any symptom or occurrence in a disease, which serves to direct to suitable remedies.
6.(finance) An declared approximation of the price at which a traded security is likely to commence trading.
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I get to draw a conclusion based on the evidence presented, I'm not required to read anyone's mind, motivations don't matter. Since you clearly use the word "indication" later in your post one can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking and\or your just doing your trollish best to say something nasty regardless of content.

Springing to the defense of your faction members actions is admirable though in this case as in most of your posts it is stupid and pointless. No one was attacking them, unless you consider stating what was done during the TW an attack? Or was pointing out the ridiculous world chats after? Did I point out the hypocrisy of wanting "better" tw's while at the same time following a course of behavior that discourages them? The answer is "No I did not" in case you've lost the thread of this post already. What I did say is that it is "A strong method if they want to reduce TW attacks and hold the map without significant TW's." Whether you like it, agree with it, find it distasteful or any other personal opinion really doesn't matter, you defend it.

Any half-brained person can see that kill farming is a tactic that can demoralize an opponent. Any half-brained troll can try to say "we were padding our stats" and imply that no one thought there would be other effects. You can't possibly be that stupid...

Narm narm. I stopped reading where the green ended. I don't really care what you think an indication is. Using your own butthurt as a way to stab at another faction trying to make you not attack them is stupid. That is all I was saying, regardless of what you try to add in your long wall of text that I didn't bother reading because it looks like it was copied from some wiki or dictionary.

Also don't think I missed the fact that you grew obsessive over my posts after I trolled you. Since you're trying to troll back I can only be complimented, I guess.

Edit: Wow Rule, I just glanced over the people who posted and realized you've made three double posts. Trying to pad your post count where your kill count is lacking? Well I suppose some people feel they need more post count to troll. Or maybe they just can't find the edit button. I suppose that would "indicate" laziness and/or stupidity, in which the poster feels insecure about his post count and feels the need to increase it artificially. Or perhaps even that he is overly defensive and obsessive over what people say about him that he feels the need to take up more of the forum with his ridiculous defenses.

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This thread absolutely did not get derailed at all lol.

Also, if you don't enjoy us kill farming you, then don't show up for TW, or stop bidding. I can assure you that you and Drakon will be our personal b*tches in TW for a while.

I know your life is frustrated, you are weak in your real life and big behind your character
to bed ... b:sad
ppl from enrage only know to offend ...

ok, you are the best because other guild don't have good people with good gear like you
but i ask you something

b:question
which is the only word that you fill in your mouth ...