GM response on scam shops pls
Annastasia - Lost City
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yes i know how to use the search button. yes i know how to read tos. but the rules seem to be constantly changing so i would appreciate a GM clarifcation on what if anything is done about scam shops.
for example: currently in west arch there a ton of "scam" shops that advertise buying tokens for 11k but are actually buying for 1100. and ofc the always present daily stone scam shops.
the last GM response that i am aware of is that players are responsible for checking and double checking prices and items before buying. and that GM s will NOT intervene at all no matter what.
wanting clarification because a GM popped on middle of the night Sat and started banning "scam" shops. strange since usually cant get a GM during normal business hours much less on a weekend and at night. thanks in advance b:pleased
for example: currently in west arch there a ton of "scam" shops that advertise buying tokens for 11k but are actually buying for 1100. and ofc the always present daily stone scam shops.
the last GM response that i am aware of is that players are responsible for checking and double checking prices and items before buying. and that GM s will NOT intervene at all no matter what.
wanting clarification because a GM popped on middle of the night Sat and started banning "scam" shops. strange since usually cant get a GM during normal business hours much less on a weekend and at night. thanks in advance b:pleased
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As typo's do happen and there isn't a very obvious way (well if they continually do it over and over,their shop name is scamsrus or they have a 'best luck 4 mil' and its just a normal token) to tell if it is indeed a scam there isnt really much they can do about it...
Simple Rule: Don't be an idiot when you are buying things from other players and you won't be scammed, same goes for the real world, don't be stupid0 -
ROFLROFLROFL gms dont ban harassments and racism but ban scam shops (easily avoidable if you're not stupid and check the price of what you are buying/selling)
THIS IS THE TRIUMPH OF IDIOCRACY
GRATZ GMS b:victoryIf you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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I hope you're not hoping for a GM to respond. Notice how the "GM response to TW changes" has mysteriously vanished.....[/suspicious]0
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Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »ROFLROFLROFL gms dont ban harassments and racism but ban scam shops (easily avoidable if you're not stupid and check the price of what you are buying/selling)
THIS IS THE TRIUMPH OF IDIOCRACY
GRATZ GMS b:victory
Unfortunately there will always be idiots everywhere and you'll never get them to go away, take Yulk for example...0 -
Deora - Lost City wrote: »Unfortunately there will always be idiots everywhere and you'll never get them to go away, take Yulk for example...
Of course there always be idiots, but if you start banning, then new idiots will fear to harass and will care of how they speak.If you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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Watch what you're buying at all times. Nuff said.0
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Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »Of course there always be idiots, but if you start banning, then new idiots will fear to harass and will care of how they speak.
i am fine either way. banning all scammers or not banning any of them. my issues is why did a GM pops on middle of the night on a weekend no less and only bans a select few shops. really hope that a GM responds to this. and that the current rumor regarding partiality for a certain faction is not true. imo GMs should not give out their personal phone cell numbers to players. ijs0 -
The general rule of thumb is that each player is ultimately responsible for paying attention to the terms of any deal before making any transaction. You are always the first and last line of defense in making sure you dont get taken advantage of.
However, scamming is indeed against the ToS, and GM's will take action against certain individuals if they are deemed to be negatively impacting a server.
Remember guys, if you feel that a player is breaking the rules, please take a screen shot and submit a ticket.0 -
Annastasia - Lost City wrote: »i am fine either way. banning all scammers or not banning any of them. my issues is why did a GM pops on middle of the night on a weekend no less and only bans a select few shops. really hope that a GM responds to this. and that the current rumor regarding partiality for a certain faction is not true. imo GMs should not give out their personal phone cell numbers to players. ijs
They more then likely don't and the people that do have them are probably people that know them in the real world but don't have any influence in game for obvious reasons. People saying they have a GM on speeddial (yes I've gotten people to say that to me before and I laughed quite hard about it) might be true but doesn't mean a damn thing as they'd probably fire that GM for doing anything due to what other people tell them to do that is not higher then them in the company...
Or at least that is how I would handle it if I was the manager of PWE...
Hell if I was the manager of PWE I'd have legally separated it from PW-Beijing by now... just to fix a lot of the **** they keep throwing at us...0 -
Wait...wtf
You're complaining because a GM actually came on, did their job and banned a few players taking advantage of others. Seriously, don't be an idiot. Complain when they don't do their job, not when one GM logs on and decides to do it.
If I was a GM, I'd slap a permanent no-argument ban on every single scammer in-game.
Scammers are just ridiculous. You can spot one in a thread a mile off because of how aggressively defensive they become about the subject. I had a player try to scam me out of a deicide just 2 days ago by removing it from trade when I added my coin and clicking confirm. Of course I cancelled and left and next second he explodes into abusive language, accusations, denials and so on. Funny as hell, then I just BL. And these guys call the honest ones "idiots"? Beyond pathetic really.0 -
A number of people must have submitted tickets.... Susa saw BearClaw in arch checking out the scam shops and then told them about the ones in Raging Tide buying Raptures for 2.2m at 220k... it's not like a typo because there were like 5 shops that were up buying them. An hour or so later, they were all gone. Permabanned I hope.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0
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I double check whenever i buy something, so nothing bad happened to me yet. *crosses fingers*
However, it really is stupid of the seller when he is selling best of luck tokens for 5mil while those r normal tokens for 5 mil... It's just an example, but such people have no shame...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Wait...wtf
You're complaining because a GM actually came on, did their job and banned a few players taking advantage of others. Seriously, don't be an idiot. Complain when they don't do their job, not when one GM logs on and decides to do it.
If I was a GM, I'd slap a permanent no-argument ban on every single scammer in-game.
Scammers are just ridiculous. You can spot one in a thread a mile off because of how aggressively defensive they become about the subject. I had a player try to scam me out of a deicide just 2 days ago by removing it from trade when I added my coin and clicking confirm. Of course I cancelled and left and next second he explodes into abusive language, accusations, denials and so on. Funny as hell, then I just BL. And these guys call the honest ones "idiots"? Beyond pathetic really.
actually the GM that popped on was acting out of the stated TOS and what has been said here on the forums. they have said repeatedly that they will NOT interfere with scams and it is buyer beware. if it has changed then yippee!! i will resubmit my ticket where i was scammed for 20 mil and thankfully finally get my coin back. it would be totally unfair for GM to show favoritism and only interfere for or ban certain players.Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »A number of people must have submitted tickets.... Susa saw BearClaw in arch checking out the scam shops and then told them about the ones in Raging Tide buying Raptures for 2.2m at 220k... it's not like a typo because there were like 5 shops that were up buying them. An hour or so later, they were all gone. Permabanned I hope.
well thanks for bringing it up. glad that Susa and BearClaw are so close that he will act on w/e Susa says. it would have been fair had BearClaw gone through west arch and banned all the scam shops there too. and to ban for something as simple as a missing 0 has be far the most assinine thing i have heard of. what about all the shard scam shops at daily stone that put an extra "0"? i have called GM s for that and they have told me "buyer beware". players have a brain to take 2 seconds to check the price. and if they are going to ban for a missing "0" then all the people who put an extra "0" should get refunded. tbh you have to have it both ways to keep fairness.
the thing that annoys me the most about PWI is the constant changing of rules. and how different rules apply to different people. either ban all scammers or none at all. dont be selective and play favorites.
i have a daily stone shop on Lost City called "Honest Stones" cause i was so tired of hearing about people getting scammed. i am going to sell it out and let you all go back to getting scammed. not like i make much coin from doing it anyway, was just to give the server back a lil honesty. but **** it. not worth my time nor tying up a computer 24/7. hubby can have his laptop back.0 -
Annastasia - Lost City wrote: »well thanks for bringing it up. glad that Susa and BearClaw are so close that he will act on w/e Susa says. it would have been fair had BearClaw gone through west arch and banned all the scam shops there too. and to ban for something as simple as a missing 0 has be far the most assinine thing i have heard of. what about all the shard scam shops at daily stone that put an extra "0"? i have called GM s for that and they have told me "buyer beware". players have a brain to take 2 seconds to check the price. and if they are going to ban for a missing "0" then all the people who put an extra "0" should get refunded. tbh you have to have it both ways to keep fairness.
Don't need to direct your bitterness towards me or him. Actually your original post sounded a bit fishy to me. But whatever. Susa just saw him and said, hey there are scam shops open over there, and he went and checked... perhaps you should submit a ticket if you're having issues.i have a daily stone shop on Lost City called "Honest Stones" cause i was so tired of hearing about people getting scammed. i am going to sell it out and let you all go back to getting scammed. not like i make much coin from doing it anyway, was just to give the server back a lil honesty. but **** it. not worth my time nor tying up a computer 24/7. hubby can have his laptop back.
I used to buy from you... someone else used to run that shop when I asked if it was you.
*shrug*
b:byeI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
frankieraye wrote: »The general rule of thumb is that each player is ultimately responsible for paying attention to the terms of any deal before making any transaction. You are always the first and last line of defense in making sure you dont get taken advantage of.
However, scamming is indeed against the ToS, and GM's will take action against certain individuals if they are deemed to be negatively impacting a server.
Remember guys, if you feel that a player is breaking the rules, please take a screen shot and submit a ticket.
i sent a ticket about two weeks ago after I saw a catshop in west trying to scam a player from a lunar insignia with some DQ item that looked the same. I even sent a screenshot and everything. The response I got was that they will look into it, yet I still see that same exact catshop still hanging around?Calamity
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Well if I was a GM I certaintly wouldn't ban the scam shops very often.Annastasia - Lost City wrote: »actually the GM that popped on was acting out of the stated TOS and what has been said here on the forums. they have said repeatedly that they will NOT interfere with scams and it is buyer beware. if it has changed then yippee!! i will resubmit my ticket where i was scammed for 20 mil and thankfully finally get my coin back. it would be totally unfair for GM to show favoritism and only interfere for or ban certain players.
well thanks for bringing it up. glad that Susa and BearClaw are so close that he will act on w/e Susa says. it would have been fair had BearClaw gone through west arch and banned all the scam shops there too. and to ban for something as simple as a missing 0 has be far the most assinine thing i have heard of. what about all the shard scam shops at daily stone that put an extra "0"? i have called GM s for that and they have told me "buyer beware". players have a brain to take 2 seconds to check the price. and if they are going to ban for a missing "0" then all the people who put an extra "0" should get refunded. tbh you have to have it both ways to keep fairness.
the thing that annoys me the most about PWI is the constant changing of rules. and how different rules apply to different people. either ban all scammers or none at all. dont be selective and play favorites.
i have a daily stone shop on Lost City called "Honest Stones" cause i was so tired of hearing about people getting scammed. i am going to sell it out and let you all go back to getting scammed. not like i make much coin from doing it anyway, was just to give the server back a lil honesty. but **** it. not worth my time nor tying up a computer 24/7. hubby can have his laptop back.
Because I go, and ban them, and then people like you STILL find something to complain about.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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OP, it sounds like one of those banned catshops was your own and you're mad that the other scam shops didn't get banned for it as well. ijs.0
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LOL u mad? Make a new account and get a new shop!
On a more serious note... There are several GM (O.o), and not all tickets are handled by the same person. <--- Reason why some are taken more and some tickets are taken less seriously.
I for one, am glad if they plan of tightening the security on cat shop scamming, but they need to keep people on their toes as well. You dumb in game... well you're probably even dumber irl...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kasumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »i sent a ticket about two weeks ago after I saw a catshop in west trying to scam a player from a lunar insignia with some DQ item that looked the same. I even sent a screenshot and everything. The response I got was that they will look into it, yet I still see that same exact catshop still hanging around?
exactly my point. some people get banned and others do not. should be all or nothing imo. not pick and choose but w/e.
QUOTE=Michael_Dark - Lost City;11171982]Don't need to direct your bitterness towards me or him. Actually your original post sounded a bit fishy to me. But whatever. Susa just saw him and said, hey there are scam shops open over there, and he went and checked... perhaps you should submit a ticket if you're having issues.
I used to buy from you... someone else used to run that shop when I asked if it was you.
*shrug*
b:bye[/QUOTE]
if you take "bitterness" onto yourself then that is your problem. my issue is GM's changing their minds and only banning select players. when all my tickets are ignored and in game response is "buyer beware". i had the shop on my sin and then on my mage so idk who said it wasnt me. only reason i made stupid shop was so people could avoid getting scammed. but now if i **** up a price and accidently put an extra "0" i will get perma banned. idk what you mean by "fishy" cause thought you knew me a bit better than to think me a scammer. but for the record i have never had any sort of ban for anything. and i have never ever scammed anyone.0 -
Annastasia - Lost City wrote: »exactly my point. some people get banned and others do not. should be all or nothing imo. not pick and choose but w/e.Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »Don't need to direct your bitterness towards me or him. Actually your original post sounded a bit fishy to me. But whatever. Susa just saw him and said, hey there are scam shops open over there, and he went and checked... perhaps you should submit a ticket if you're having issues.
I used to buy from you... someone else used to run that shop when I asked if it was you.
*shrug*
b:bye
if you take "bitterness" onto yourself then that is your problem. my issue is GM's changing their minds and only banning select players. when all my tickets are ignored and in game response is "buyer beware". i had the shop on my sin and then on my mage so idk who said it wasnt me. only reason i made stupid shop was so people could avoid getting scammed. but now if i **** up a price and accidently put an extra "0" i will get perma banned. idk what you mean by "fishy" cause thought you knew me a bit better than to think me a scammer. but for the record i have never had any sort of ban for anything. and i have never ever scammed anyone.
Do not attribute to malice which can be equally explained by stupidity...0 -
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