Reduce Phsyical Damage Taken - HELP!

No, that is not possible. Just think, if a barb had, say, 90% physical defense reduction, and then 'reduce physical damage' gear equal to 10%, by your theory, the barb would be immune to physical damage. Obviously this is not the way it works.

My guess is, it acts more like a defense level. Which.. so yeah, maybe it reduces the damage 1% more from what is filtered by your defenses already. So, say, I deal 1000 damage to you. Lets say your gear reduces phy dmg 50% against equal-levelled enemies, and that I'm same level as you. That means you would take 500 dmg. 500 dmg inflicted to you would then, according to my idea here, get filtered through that gear add... say 1% reduction. 1% of 500 is 5 dmg. So you should see a dmg of 495 taken.

If, somehow, the reduce phy dmg add stacked like you thought (say, 50% phy def + 1% phy reduction from gear), then the scenario would be like this: I deal 1000 dmg to you, and this dmg is reduced by 50 + 1% (51%). You would expect to see 490 damage taken.

There's a pretty simple way to test this. Find a bm/sin/somebody with decent accuracy, and get them to unequip weapon. Say with bare fists damage is 250-250. You could then take off all your gear, and see how much they hit you for. Then add in one piece of gear with a +1% phy def reduction. Compare the damage you observe with the damage you would expect to get based on your calculations (the same two calculations I did above). OH. Don't forget to make sure the +1% phy def piece of gear is not on a piece of gear which adds additional physical defense. So for instance, find the +1% phy dmg reduction on a HELMET of some sort.

Let me know what you discover.

Azzazin

I heard a 99% damage reduction cap though I have no evidence of this.

Reduce physical damage I never got around to testing but I assume it works after the defense reduction has taken place.

The best way to test is to duel someone else bare handed and use a skill like wingspan or some BM fist skill. Barehanded physical skills always do fixed damage. From that you can figure it out with the formulas on this page:

http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Damage#Resistance

Just find a bm to buff you with 100 skill.

Azzazin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My guess is, it acts more like a defense level. Which.. so yeah, maybe it reduces the damage 1% more from what is filtered by your defenses already. So, say, I deal 1000 damage to you. Lets say your gear reduces phy dmg 50% against equal-levelled enemies, and that I'm same level as you. That means you would take 500 dmg. 500 dmg inflicted to you would then, according to my idea here, get filtered through that gear add... say 1% reduction. 1% of 500 is 5 dmg. So you should see a dmg of 495 taken.

Im quite positive this is the way p.def addon works...


your gear offer a % of p.def reduction on the same level, after that reduction is counted the damage that bypassed the gear is affected by bonus %reduction...


so raw P.def value on gear wont stack with %p.def reduction IMO

Elemental shell wiz's skill increases mag resistances by 1000% for 4 seconds

my resistances goes over 50k+ with that skill, and the tooltip says "90% reduction"

so the cap is 90%

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

How is 10% more survivability to physical damage "next to useless"? The 5% bonus HP on a sky demon pearl gives half that or less. Does something have to give you three times as much survivability before it starts to be useful to you?

1700-1530=170
Half of 170 = 85.
If 5% for your HP is 85... u really have 1700HP o.o

Again, its not same as +10% damage reduce in char window. Read Magiere's explain.
This reduce is good if your pdef bad. With increasing you pdef in stat "reduce physical dmg" going useless.

ppl stop failing in simple math ._.

i claim 10% dmg reduction is better than p.def because it works BEFORE p.def reduction


or i could just say that order doesnt matter cuz this is how frigging math works


1000 dmg * 1-50% * 1-10% = 450

1000 dmg * 1-10% * 1-50% = 450

Balthier - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'll try to explain why its usefulness is limited, and even less so at end-game.

Lets take Wurlord in 2-3 and say he has a hit of 10k phy dmg. If you are a lvl 90 cleric with TT90 gear self buffed you will have like 50% phy def reduction-ish and about 5k HP-ish (Example numbers). You will take 5000 dmg, if you had 10% phy dmg reduction on gear, that would mean you would take 4500 dmg instead, pretty decent. As you can see tho, if you add a Sky Demons Pearl here, you will get 5250 HP, so in this case 1% HP = 1% reduce phy dmg in survivability.

Lets take an endgame example in TW. Your lvl 100 cleric has 70% phy def and 10k HP fully buffed. An archer aims at you (bloody archers), and hits you for 3000 dmg. With 10% reduced phy dmg on gear you would take 2700 dmg, while if you add a cube neck (say he was using a g13 OHT neck with reduce phy dmg before) you will get 10500 HP. So in this case 1% HP = 3.33% reduced phy dmg.

It's usefulness vs. normal mobs is non-existent aswell. Lvl 90 cleric again vs a normal mob, you'll take about 400 dmg, or 360 with 10% reduced phy dmg on gear. Here 1% HP = 12,5% reduced phy dmg o.O.

(Note, this is only effective against physical damage, HP is even better in most cases since it gives you survivability vs magic attacks aswell. Bloody wizzards can hit hard too).

Hope this clears things up.

it is true it is cheaper and more effective to build HP (to some point) than defense.

however, if you say that 'p.dmg reduction' is worthless then 'p.def' is worthless as well

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Any time you are in a situation where you are taking multiple hits in a relatively quick succession, -% reduced damge taken and +defense levels are far more effective than they are comparing with single hits.

Reduced Physical Damage adds are also more beneficial to those with less physical defense.

Saying it's useless is a stretch. Saying it's very beneficial is a stretch. In PvP every little bit helps.

b:bye

P.S. You see most of the smarter players shard and gear for +defense or +attack levels. There just isn't any good way to stack +% damage taken items to take advantage of them.

check your math,

multiple hits

(100dmg * 1-10% * 1-50%) + (200dmg * 1-10% * 1-50%) + (150dmg * 1-10% * 1-50%) = 202,5

single hit

450dmg * 1-10% * 1-50% = 202.5


claiming that one of stats (hp, def, dmg reduction or def lvls) is better than others is always incorrect Dont do that because you are spreading missinfo.


if you want to do it correct (saying that to all not only you) then you must give example for concrete survivability stat (i.e. 2def lvl vs 115hp vs 10vit etc) for given character (i.e. BM with 8000 hp, 9000 p.def, 3000 m.def, 15 def lvl, 200str, 5 mag and 100vit).

otherwise, you are doing it wrong


defenses give diminishing returns in this game and they also affect various chars in different ways

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

When you factor HP vs Defense along with the fact your charm is going to tick regardless, at some point damage reduction becomes more beneficial. And you can't put a simple equation... there are far too many variables. Stop being so short sighted.

Defense level vs vit stone sharding has been well documented. Perhaps you should start reading the archer forums a little more closely.

b:bye

actually, if you can get same survivability from HP or DEF, then hp charm wont favour any type of stat in terms of survivability (it will be just cheaper to favor def, since charm will tick for less hp)

DEF is more beneficial for normal healing (i assume that you were thinking about this one).

but then, if his wizzy have 5k hp then it will be questionable to invest in 'jades of def' since hp gem will increase his EHP a lot more than def lvls.


just like you said, 'there are far too many variables' to say that i.e. 10% p.dmg reduction is worthless.

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Yes, I agree with this.
And of course it's very subjective and returns are diminishing. Finding the better option for a particular person can easily be figured out, but with such a wide variation of builds, stat points and gear available it's difficult to give generic advice.

yeah, thats what i mean. to be careful with giving 'generic advises'

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

I think we can all agree that having reduced physical damage % on gear we would normally use is better than not having it. lol

lol..
thats true but what im trying to say is that, just for his wizzy, 10% damage reduction would be equal to (almost) another 4 garnet gems inbued to his gear.

hard to claim that 4 garnets are worthless..