Responce to acc sharing.

Posts: 1,338 Arc User
edited November 2010 in General Discussion
well that thread got closed other removed before i could responce, and a problem shouldnt be ignored. kinda a valid topic.

But however i dont think i know any married couple who doesnt share account, regardless if they know eachother irl or not.
I don't think the post saying 50% of server sharing accounts is way off at all. cos that could be a good guess for DW as well.

alot of people got access to more than just 1 friends account as well. And there's even been example's from months back that they lost items from the one they shared account with. and Guess what, the person got the items back and the GM warned the faction leader, that the members should be carefull with account sharing, and it's on your own risk. ( old leader may actually have the ss still, cos i belive it was posted on faction forum)

rules on this game is poorly and it will depend on which supporter/GM get to your case.
you see the same thing when u submit tickets to support etc. send the same question 4 times. if you get same responce 4 times..thats like zomg scroll of tome kind of case.. you'll get atleast 2 different answers, unless it's an automated answer or some responce not even refering to your post.
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  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2010

    rules on this game is poorly and it will depend on which supporter/GM get to your case.

    Truth of the day.

    I fully understand account sharing with rl spouses/siblings... Sounds reasonable enough. Yes, officially it shouldn't be, but as long as your wife/husband doesn't get pissed off and destroys your account, there should not be a problem.

    However, I don't understand how people share their account info with random people that they know in game... I have yet to meet one...b:surrender
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  • Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Yep game management sucks.
  • Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    It something the publisher set in general view that account sharing is not allowed.

    What people think is . . don't mention you were sharing account . . b:shutup
    Since we already say " Yes, i accept the rules. " when register for account. b:surrender
    And as long you don't mention it, the publisher game service won't do anything.
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  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dont mind that really

    ban for acc sharing if you are exploiting game and play one char 24/7 with few people to make it more powerful

    but gm connive if it is just sharing to do mq etc



    thx god this happens irl (sometimes) and you arent always restricted by some stupid rules
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  • Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    GMs can quote TOS all they want but in reality id say about 80% of in-game couples share their accounts. I actually get suprised when someone doesn't have their ingame husband/wises info lol. All Irl friends, spouses, siblings also share their accounts, or they at least have the info available to give out if needed.

    Its just one of those convenient things, if you cant play for a few days you still wanna get MQ/dailys done and let the person your married to get his/hers done so you give out the info.

    It actually kinda rare meeting a high level, longterm player that never shared his account in general, or at least never gave out the info to anyone.

    Obviously there are loads of people saying "i will never give out my account info etc" but after a couple of months of being 100+ so many of them will start handing it out like everyone else, trading it for others infos for Nirvana runs and stuff.
  • Posts: 419 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Note: This is an over- all/ general statement.

    I can especially agree with married couples in real life. Marriage is built on trust and communication as well as the ability to work together and get along. Poor trust and communication often ends in a bad marriage and, eventually, divorce b:shocked. I would be lying if I said my boyfriend for the last 10 years didn't have access to all my info (games, email, bank, etc). It would also be a lie if I said I didn't have access to all of his either.

    Family, especially spouses, it's hard to not share something like account info for a game. Ever had those annoying little brothers that want to play and a mother that says "oh, let him play the game too"? Yeah... they, the mothers that don't play games, tend to not understand that it might be a TOS violation.
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  • Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I really dont see the issue with account sharing. I might be one of those rare breeds that doesnt share my account information, even with my RL wife. If she doesnt need it, she doesnt need it .. its as simple as that.

    She does know my email, banking, etc info but my gaming info...NO. Why? Shes most likely gonna delete my character if I give it to here b:laugh.

    But yea, most of the games ive played does not have any thing against account sharing but any loss of items, etc due to account sharing will not be supported by the management company. So basically its at your own risk.

    Its like you giving your banking info to a stranger and then complain to the bank that your money is gone.
  • Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    i got nothing personally against it either. just got a bit annoyed topics got removed withing mins cos it had account sharing as topic. they may say on forum they ban for account sharing. but if everyone who share accoutn got banned PWI would no longer exists.

    they somewhat allow it, but if discussed topic was closed.

    would jsut want frankie to comment. because it seems responces to gm's in games they dont care, but tickets mostly say banable.
    I'm sorry for misspelling / mistyping and grammar b:surrender

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  • Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Best account sharing policy I have ever seen...

    It was stated that account sharing was against the rules. They also stated that they would not go around looking for people who were sharing accounts. If someone ever complained that they were "****" and were found to have been account sharing both the person who stole the item and the person reporting it were permanently banned.

    Basically their point was if you want to share your info you better not complain if you lose anything. If you complain both of you will get banned for breaking the TOS.
  • Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Basicallly PWI wants to be able to say:
    "Your friend stole your items? Not my problem, you broke the rules by sharing your account."

    A large number of people do share their account but they do so at their own risk.
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  • Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    If you gonna do it..

    1 person you KNOW you can trust..

    Or 2 or 3..

    preferably someone you know offline.

    ..And other special reasons.
  • Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Very simple rule, don't let anyone have your account info unless you can go kick their *** in the real world if they do try something stupid like stealing everything you have.
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  • Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Basicallly PWI wants to be able to say:
    "Your friend stole your items? Not my problem, you broke the rules by sharing your account."

    A large number of people do share their account but they do so at their own risk.
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  • Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Account sharing rule is implemented for a reason.

    Some people are stupid, and to protect these stupid people from their own trusting selves there was a rule that account sharing is banned.

    The rule is to protect the stupid player base from being too trusting. But alas it still doesn't work as some aren't that clever and think "These rules suck so I SHALL break them" and tada someone gets their **** stolen.

    But GM's I hope use some common sense when it comes to situations. Most do a one chance thing for them stupid people who are too trusting

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Comes into mind

    Like where Rule point out. If I was the GM who saw what happened in that case I wouldn't give it a second look. Why? Because that idiot got his account STOLEN! not a simple case of "Oh hai I took some ****s off your account huehuehuhe" but the whole account. GG

    So ye people have just gotta look at themselves and think "Am I that stupid to trust some person I don't really know" if yes your chancing the risk of being one of those "WAA I GOT ****!!" people.

    IMO I am a clever person and know who I can trust b:victory
  • Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited November 2010

    That's a mod for crying out loud.
  • Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    *Runs through corporate business man translator*

    bottom line is they want to make money... banning paying players for something like this would be ridiculous as them losing their items most likely means they will spend more money... which = good for the company.
  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Basicallly PWI wants to be able to say:
    "Your friend stole your items? Not my problem, you broke the rules by sharing your account."

    A large number of people do share their account but they do so at their own risk.
    Yep.

    The problem is by sanctioning sharing of accounts, they have to be responsible for whatever happens to the **** when it mysteriously goes missing. Unfortunately this can turn into a legal issue as there are too many dumb *** litigant people in society today.

    I am way clueless as to why PWI or any MMO game should put so much resources into **** like that when forewarning was already given not to share accounts with anybody. They are not only covering their own asses civilly, but financially not directing too many resources to something that isn't profitable. Given the responses in this thread I doubt many will even grasp this concept. Having a wife and us sharing account info for everything, games and otherwise, I know where they are coming from in their frustration. Too bad they aren't, in turn, able to see the other side of the fence and why a company must implement these rules.
  • Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    In all my game time there were 3 (THREE) weeks when someone else had my account data. And in these three weeks the password was different from the ones i use...
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  • Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    well that thread got closed other removed before i could responce, and a problem shouldnt be ignored. kinda a valid topic.

    You should have taken the thread closure as a hint. When a thread is closed it usually means there is no discussion on the issue.

    Account Sharing is against the TOS and can result in a temp or perm ban. They don't actively seek out accounts that are being shared. However that doesn't mean your account can't be flagged from numerous log-ins from various IPs, however it usually only happens when it is reported or if someone logs your account from a banned region. It's very inconsistent. They don't want to actively ban, but they will.

    Share your account info at your own risk.
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  • Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    You should have taken the thread closure as a hint. When a thread is closed it usually means there is no discussion on the issue.

    Account Sharing is against the TOS and can result in a temp or perm ban. They don't actively seek out accounts that are being shared. However that doesn't mean your account can't be flagged from numerous log-ins from various IPs, however it usually only happens when it is reported or if someone logs your account from a banned region. It's very inconsistent. They don't want to actively ban, but they will.

    Share your account info at your own risk.

    Another reason to sort of back that up is some ISP (AT&T mostly...) like to change your DHCP Assigned IP address a lot, and I mean a lot... I know people that have AT&T and they get a dropped connection along with a new IP address every 12 hours...

    While some ISPs (like the one I'm using) never ever ever changes even though it is also DHCP assigned

    Eitherway, ISPs are **** a lot of times and do stupid things (like what AT&T does)

    Banning people because their ISP is stupid? That wouldn't look to good would it?
  • Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Another reason to sort of back that up is some ISP (AT&T mostly...) like to change your DHCP Assigned IP address a lot, and I mean a lot... I know people that have AT&T and they get a dropped connection along with a new IP address every 12 hours...

    While some ISPs (like the one I'm using) never ever ever changes even though it is also DHCP assigned

    Eitherway, ISPs are **** a lot of times and do stupid things (like what AT&T does)

    Banning people because their ISP is stupid? That wouldn't look to good would it?

    /facepalm

    Like it's difficult for them to tell if your isp decided to refresh your address or if you logged in from a completely different region.
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  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    one of isp here changes your ip everytime you reconnected to net; modem reset = new ip
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  • Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Another reason to sort of back that up is some ISP (AT&T mostly...) like to change your DHCP Assigned IP address a lot, and I mean a lot... I know people that have AT&T and they get a dropped connection along with a new IP address every 12 hours...

    While some ISPs (like the one I'm using) never ever ever changes even though it is also DHCP assigned

    Eitherway, ISPs are **** a lot of times and do stupid things (like what AT&T does)

    Banning people because their ISP is stupid? That wouldn't look to good would it?
    Was not the case for me(@ the 12hr thing), but I got a new one every time I had to reinstall the thing. *former ATT internet customer*
  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Another reason to sort of back that up is some ISP (AT&T mostly...) like to change your DHCP Assigned IP address a lot, and I mean a lot... I know people that have AT&T and they get a dropped connection along with a new IP address every 12 hours...

    While some ISPs (like the one I'm using) never ever ever changes even though it is also DHCP assigned

    Eitherway, ISPs are **** a lot of times and do stupid things (like what AT&T does)

    Banning people because their ISP is stupid? That wouldn't look to good would it?
    The reason for the lack of change in IP (it's called dynamic IP) is because of the workload associated with maintaining every user's IP as static, and making it slightly difficult for average users to try and run their own server. Least, that's how it is in the US. It's more conventional to assign dynamic IP's via DHCP and PPP(oE) than the former. Some ISP's do it different but experience tells me it's usually cable or fiber-optic ISP's opposed to DSL (though I see AT&T and Verizon still does offer some static-IP options for home users).
  • Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Basicallly PWI wants to be able to say:
    "Your friend stole your items? Not my problem, you broke the rules by sharing your account."

    A large number of people do share their account but they do so at their own risk.

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  • Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    imo, if 2 ppl married each other, besides that trust thingy; they should learn to respect each other.

    Learn to see its private ID. again, besides that trust thingy, learn that everything has a limitation.
    Apocalypse. Thats what happened to divorced couple who was "too trusting" with each other and ended |3itching each other.

    The last thing I hate about those kind of ppl, if they were so ready to share (read: give) everything,
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  • Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    GMs can quote TOS all they want but in reality id say about 80% of in-game couples share their accounts. I actually get suprised when someone doesn't have their ingame husband/wises info lol. All Irl friends, spouses, siblings also share their accounts, or they at least have the info available to give out if needed.

    Im married and I trust him 100% but neither of us has the account data of the other.

    But its funny.. we had some "accidents" in faction lately.
    Someone came back from a break and found out all her stuff was gone. And yea, her ingame spouse had her pass so guess where it went lol She didnt see anything of that again.

    Another friend of me just divorced her husband cause he was too inactive for her liking. Next day she was missing 100mil and a lvl 100 skill book.

    I wouldnt wanna risk it. Especially cause theres a lot of hard work in my account and I also charged some zen once in a while.
    Too much **** can happen if people give out their pass, not my kind of shoe.
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  • Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    It was stated that account sharing was against the rules. They also stated that they would not go around looking for people who were sharing accounts. If someone ever complained that they were "****" and were found to have been account sharing both the person who stole the item and the person reporting it were permanently banned.

    Very surprised no one has realized the exact reason for this.

    The account sharing rule is extremely useful for PWI. Normally, if a hacking occurs, they have to go through a full check through all their logs, data and check their security so complaints don't occur that their game is not as safe as it should be. However, in this case PWI can now simply wave the account sharing warning and everyone is too afraid to report anything for fear of permanent ban. Basically, responsibility dodging.

    Also the reason for the "change your password frequently" warning when you log in. If you get ****, GM's can either say "we warned you" or dig for an excuse to perma ban you and keep you quiet for good.
    Another friend of me just divorced her husband cause he was too inactive for her liking. Next day she was missing 100mil and a lvl 100 skill book.

    Anyone who gets **** in this way deserves it tbh.

    I mean come on, someone just had an argument/disagreement or dumped/divorced someone who has full access to their account, character and items... and it didn't occur to them to simply change their password after the argument/divorce?
  • Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Anyone who gets **** in this way deserves it tbh.

    I mean come on, someone just had an argument/disagreement or dumped/divorced someone who has full access to their account, character and items... and it didn't occur to them to simply change their password after the argument/divorce?

    I agree.
    I just hate the crying after it happened. And the childish reactions like: "Oh where does he live, I want to beat him up."
    Common sense sometimes would help b:surrender
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