Is this cheating?
khaili
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I was doing Rotflesh Trench a couple of days ago and was in first place until 2 members of a very well known faction that only allows lvl85+ people to join showed up, i checked their gear and they were both well above lvl90.
They were obviously squadded with 1 of the higher levels wife who was the 1 signed up for the PQ, of course she got first place with over 13k in points. >:(
I don't think its fair to the people that were competing the right way for higher level players to come in and ruin thier chances of getting the experience they fought so hard for, even though i still came 4th what about the other people who didnt get anything apart from a large repair bill because higher levels interfered in a below 80 quest!
They were obviously squadded with 1 of the higher levels wife who was the 1 signed up for the PQ, of course she got first place with over 13k in points. >:(
I don't think its fair to the people that were competing the right way for higher level players to come in and ruin thier chances of getting the experience they fought so hard for, even though i still came 4th what about the other people who didnt get anything apart from a large repair bill because higher levels interfered in a below 80 quest!
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theres no rules to say that you cant be helped in the quest so getting higher levels to help you is just a easy way to get exp its not cheating0
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Agree with both of the above.0
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its simply frowned upon, its lazy from the player doing the PQ and annoying to the participants.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Yeah...it's not against the rules, but it I do find it to be rather sad that people can't just do the best they can, and be happy with the result.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »its simply frowned upon, its lazy from the player doing the PQ and annoying to the participants.
Maybe on the RT server but on LC there is never anyone down there... so its not like its hurting anyone0 -
Deora - Lost City wrote: »Maybe on the RT server but on LC there is never anyone down there... so its not like its hurting anyone
That, I could totally agree with. But on Sanct, people do it because they can't hold up against the other competitors, so they bring in help.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Lets be honest.
I did it with my guildies this way because no one there wanted to form a party and zhen the mobs down there which would have been best for everyone.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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illegal? no..
frowned upon? of course
heck this one of the reasons why 99.9% of the events in this game suck for lower players
it's not like it used to be the game first started, when they had events on the holidays and you could do them and it didnt matter what your lvl was. anyone could do them no matter what their lvl and still get something
okie said my piece i'm out
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No chance I'd ever even consider helping a guildie in this way. If they paid me, I'd tell them to stop wasting their money as the exp wouldn't be worth it. And if they wanted it as a favour I'd tell them to quit being lazy, learn their class and do it themselves. When I did PQ I frequently came in the top 1-3 with a HA melee cleric. Serious. So no one else has any excuse whatsoever.
Personally I'd frown more on the high levels who actually decide to waste their time and help in this way more than the low levels they're helping.0 -
PWI is a mmorpg, meaning Massive MULTIPLAYER yada yada...
Part of the fun in the game is getting people to help you do stuff, or to help them.
If you know the right people, like that girl did, then you'll reap the benefits. Sucks when you're on the outside looking in, but it really does make the game more fun in the long run.0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »Part of the fun in the game is getting people to help you do stuff, or to help them.
Sucks when you're on the outside looking in, but it really does make the game more fun in the long run.
How? You get to sit back and let your friend do all the work. You don't have to actually do anything or try to be on top. How is that fun in any way? Plus, you're "cheating" others out of getting the possibly-high scores they actually work for. If that makes you have fun and feel good about yourself, that's REALLY sad.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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really sad? lol, let's break this down
I like helping lowbies level up. Not necassarily giving them a free ride, but defintly an advantage.
You say that's sad
You say that the right way to do thing, or I suppose, the "happy/fun" way is to do such quests by yourself, without friends, but mindlessly facerolling the keyboard as you try to zhen as much mobs as possible?
Yup, that's defintly more fun than my sad approach of helping b:shutup0 -
hmmm there a smilair thread like this way way long time ago xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »How? You get to sit back and let your friend do all the work. You don't have to actually do anything or try to be on top. How is that fun in any way? Plus, you're "cheating" others out of getting the possibly-high scores they actually work for. If that makes you have fun and feel good about yourself, that's REALLY sad.
Someone doesn't get how it's done. Or why it's done.
How my guild would do it is we'd find a spot with no one there for the first round, then we'd lure and AOE. Second round, we'd go into the one pit with no one there and I'd set blue and everyone would AOE. Bosses, we'd try and get the first down to low health about 40 or so elite mobs in and kill right when it changed over. Then we'd head to second boss and kill it with everyone else. Party was usually 3-4 of us 60-80s and then 2-3 9x.
Why did we do it? Because no one would cooperate with us down there and we all wanted to get in range for FC as soon as possible to get to 100 as soon as possible.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »really sad? lol, let's break this down
I like helping lowbies level up. Not necassarily giving them a free ride, but defintly an advantage.
You say that's sad
You say that the right way to do thing, or I suppose, the "happy/fun" way is to do such quests by yourself, without friends, but mindlessly facerolling the keyboard as you try to zhen as much mobs as possible?
Yup, that's defintly more fun than my sad approach of helping b:shutup
I didn't say your way of helping was sad - I said the fact that they needed you to help them win a competition is sad.
And yes, I do take a certain amount of pride, and have fun, doing the best I can, and getting rewarded for my efforts, however well I may do, rather than sitting back and letting someone do all the work for me.
And Eoria, regardless of why you were doing it, the higher levels were taking away from the other people in the competition, and that's hardly fair. I know, I know...not everyone likes to be fair and have a little common courtesy for others...It's all about what they themselves want, and too bad for everyone else~
Although, I will admit that I was wrong in part of what I said - not everyone "sits back and let's the higher levels do all the work". Though, by far, that's what I've seen on Sanct. Lots of lazies here. ~_~ Just two or three days ago, a veno had a higher level BM doing it for her...she had to be told by all of us to pull the boss, and I didn't see her attacking all that much. It's so easiy to place well as a veno...can't understand why you'd have to rely on someone else...Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
Kylenea, level 99 Demon Cleric
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »I didn't say your way of helping was sad - I said the fact that they needed you to help them win a competition is sad.
And yes, I do take a certain amount of pride, and have fun, doing the best I can, and getting rewarded for my efforts, however well I may do, rather than sitting back and letting someone do all the work for me..
And Eoria, regardless of why you were doing it, the higher levels were taking away from the other people in the competition, and that's hardly fair. I know, I know...not everyone likes to be fair and have a little common courtesy for others...It's all about what they themselves want, and too bad for everyone else~
I agree with you. Helping a friend is one thing. Helping them in a way that is unfair for others who are competing against the one(s) you are helping isn't right.
However, when only a handful of people are doing PQ and need your help to finish it before Santa comes to town, it's a different storyb:laughDemon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »I agree with you. Helping a friend is one thing. Helping them in a way that is unfair for others who are competing against the one(s) you are helping isn't right.
However, when only a handful of people are doing PQ and need your help to finish it before Santa comes to town, it's a different storyb:laugh
Yes, rofl. I, on my cleric, tried to team up with this sin who was my level...And it was just him and I, us two little people, trying to the whole PQ. We got about...maybe 1/3 of the way through the elite mobs, and we just had to quit. I didn't even think about getting a high level to come and help (should have, lol), so we just walked away. x_x Soooo much MP food wasted that day...Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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It's a Public Quest for a reason... b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, rofl. I, on my cleric, tried to team up with this sin who was my level...And it was just him and I, us two little people, trying to the whole PQ. We got about...maybe 1/3 of the way through the elite mobs, and we just had to quit. I didn't even think about getting a high level to come and help (should have, lol), so we just walked away. x_x Soooo much MP food wasted that day...
There is one thing about coming back and **** it as a high-level...revenge for all you lost doing itb:chuckle
Although I only did it a few times until 75+, then I spammed it until 81.Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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Lol public quest is always controversial. I had a case just last weekend, happily soloing my own elites with a Blade tempest or a BIDS every now and then. My AOE hits someone elses mob a few times....he goes B@tsh1t cR@zy!!!! i'm like wtf dude, shill, im just killing stuff here. He's like STOP KS'ING!!!! Seriously, i hit his mob maybe like 2-3 times with a ulti, not exactly what i would call ks-ing. I told him that he could move somewhere else, that theres heaps of room, but he stayed, so i continued to play how i was playingb:laugh
I had enough contri by then to win anyway, got sick of his crying so added to BL and flew away, always feels good to take the high roadb:chuckle0 -
Deora - Lost City wrote: »Maybe on the RT server but on LC there is never anyone down there... so its not like its hurting anyone
Yes there is, they bring a 10x barb to 1-shot the players. :c[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »Yes there is, they bring a 10x barb to 1-shot the players. :c
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To OP, look at it this way. Placing one place lower isn't too much EXP lost. Yes, that "cheater" bumps everyone down by once place and you get less EXP per quest, but the high levels also make the PQ goes by much faster. So in turn, you get slightly less EXP per quest, but you get more PQs done at faster rate. In the end, it might have helped you guys to get more EXP per hour.0
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So what if they bump them to 13k points.They still only get 10medals.You just get one or two medals less but you get to do more because you go thorugh the quests faster.0
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KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »So what if they bump them to 13k points.They still only get 10medals.You just get one or two medals less but you get to do more because you go thorugh the quests faster.
I agree with you that it was faster and it doenst particularly bother me to lose a couple of medals, however i was referring to the person who lost a chance to place and get a reward because level 90+ players gave 1 of the contestants an unfair advantage in a level 60-80 competition.Yeah...it's not against the rules, but it I do find it to be rather sad that people can't just do the best they can, and be happy with the result. Katzyn
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Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »To OP, look at it this way. Placing one place lower isn't too much EXP lost. Yes, that "cheater" bumps everyone down by once place and you get less EXP per quest, but the high levels also make the PQ goes by much faster. So in turn, you get slightly less EXP per quest, but you get more PQs done at faster rate. In the end, it might have helped you guys to get more EXP per hour.
I go down there on my wizard every so often and your... kinda half wrong man.
It depends on how intelligent the help is. As much as people might hate him ShojoS knows that you need either (I dunno which) 600 or 900 points to place high enough to get the bottom reward so he kills about 30 elites and dissapears. Most of the other sins just kill everything.
If some demon sin goes down and kills 45 of the elite mobs and theres 10 people there, noone else can get the minimum amount of points to even get a reward. I dont mind people going down and helping out, I do so myself occasionally, but people need to think about what they do. Go down and nuke 15-20 Elites for your friend and theyl place high with no problem. And everyone else gets the chance to get plenty of points. Go down and kill everything, your friend gets damn near max points and noone else can win.
Essentially, this method of doing PQ is as fair as the helper is. And most people who "help" are asshats.
Not to mention the fact that if someone gets boosted like this, any time they go down without help theyl get ignored, KSd and essentially blocked from progressing because noone likes them xP0 -
Thats when you simply drag everything you can to them and watch them die, and by everything I mean all the mobs down thee including the boss. If they are melee just get an archer over there to knock them into larger groups with knockback. After the 2nd or 3rd death they usually leave the area.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
When all else fails...go afk.0 -
Kersplop - Archosaur wrote: »Thats when you simply drag everything you can to them and watch them die, and by everything I mean all the mobs down thee including the boss. If they are melee just get an archer over there to knock them into larger groups with knockback. After the 2nd or 3rd death they usually leave the area.
On a PvP server trying to drag stuff to them tends to get you AoEd to death
Either that or they dont die. PQ mobs really arnt anything to a 9x in decent gear.0 -
didn't read all 3 pages but i do have 1 comment on this. would you rather take 4th place and do 3-4 runs in the time of 1. or get 1st place and do 1. essentially their killing it a hell of a lot faster for EVERYBODY so it cuts down on your repairs for a much faster run and gets many runs done in quick succession and ends up overall better for everybody
edit: did finally read a few and this has already been said a couple times0
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