Restating to HA

Doqui - Raging Tide · October 2010

Hi guys,

Today i started working on my new build, http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9979b582250e005b

Wat's your opinion on it, am i using the right ornaments? and wat about the weapon?

I have the one in the calculation and i have an Aquadash,

i kinda want to keep the channeling, but the FC Pataka is nice aswell,

thx in advance

fandl123 · October 2010

It looks like a really cool build and armor choice

Almost 7K HP is alot.

Azura - Lost City · October 2010

fandl123 wrote: »

It looks like a really cool build and armor choice
Almost 7K HP is alot.

Really? I only see 5296 hp, http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f5fa95845b7deaa5 which is very low.

Go AA in my opinion.

Doqui - Raging Tide · October 2010

I am AA atm, and with pretty much the same refines and shards i only have 300hp more

and that build is 3vit 1str 6mag every 2 levels,

Nyxya - Harshlands · October 2010

we call on our server ha veno -1hit veno:D wonder whyb:laughb:chuckle

Zairi - Dreamweaver · October 2010

I know im still a lowbie HA/AA Veno but for me it looks ok. And i dunno but i see 6800hp ...b:surrender

Looking at the Wand and all the -channel i guess you mainly use Human form? I for myself would pay less for -channel and would look more into -int since i mainly use Fox.

And prepare to get flamed. lol
A thing i miss in most HA/AA guides is that they dont prepare for people who just dont get HA/AA Veno (im guessing you keep your AA set? ^^;).
People, no mean or evil people, always tell me to stay away from phisical AoE bosses because they think ill get one shotted while the boss hits me for less then other Melees +i can heal myself (Leech) a bit so im not much of a burden for the Cleric^^;

If i grind mobs and it happens again that 3 Huggy Hares Gang up on me it happens that im at the last one with (perfectly save -.-)1k hp and thinking if i use Genie Heal or just Leech, some Archer or random guy passes and kills the mob. No not out of evilness with the comment: "Oh sorry i thought you need help". The answer to "why?" from many people is: "Cos Foxform looks noobish."b:shocked

Sometimes people pass me and i get a random whisper: "LOL Heavy Armor! XD".
Point taken i already saw HA venos who run arround with 30-40 level mostly white gear or mixing HA, AA and LA which again causes them to wear significantly lower gear. So ye i doubt a Veno is effective at level, say ~70 (that was the persons Genie level so she had to be atleast 70) a lv 40 2 star magic wand and white lv 40isch NPC armor with 0 refines/almost 0 shards. Maybe HA Venos like that cause others to think HA has low hp and is easy to one shot.

So be prepared lol

Hm else the build looks fine to me, i prefer and up to date magic weapon before i go for the armor but the weapon you use looks fine for me.
Mean i made sure i can equip Sakymaunis at 70 and afterwards TT70HA with 72/73.

Desdi - Sanctuary · October 2010

I have Ha Venomancer myself though I can't say that I'm very experience so don't take my post at heart ^^

I don't think the weapon you have chosen is good for this build. The HP and Vit bonus is certainly something you can't ignore and I had my eye on that weapon for quite some time until I decided to stick with TT90...
First of all it's a wand so I believe the physical damage it offers is not very good (unless you refine it to a high number I assume). People usually go for Magic Swords, at least this is what I've seen in guides and what HA Venomancers usually wield. It is also quite common to have Glaives during the high levels as I have noticed.
My second concern is the bonuses it offers. Since as a HA you will luck quite some magic, perhaps, it's better if you can acquire a weapon that can give you Mag+ / Magic Attack + bonuses as well as higher magic damage on its own (for example the Wheel of Denied Fate offers Magic Attack of 665-997 plus +77 unrefined and physical attack of 413-558 ). This is my opinion, however, and this is what I would go for if I were to get my second Venomancer that far. Your weapon of choice does offer a considerable amount of HP but sometimes offence is the better defence...

Your ornaments seem fine to me. I would suggest you to buy a set of Might Rings as well if you're thinking of playing in Fox regularly (not just for running away). It doesn't have to be mold/FCC/TT but 3-star with HP bonuses will be enough I think to increase your physical damage. You can refine it once or twice to get some extra physical defence too.

Doqui - Raging Tide · October 2010

lol @ the people complaining about the hp, it's with +3 refines and all 3 socks.

the gear will be at least +5 and most parts will have 4 socks (and perfect shards)

atm i'm still farming TT but i can make at least 6 boots and 4 pants, i'm pretty sure at least 1 of each will turn out with 4 sockets. if not meh, i'll farm some more b:laugh.

1 shot veno? i think not, no mellee class will 1shot 5k 14k Pdef at lvl 91,
Caster class 1 shot me? i think not, my AA armor will do me good there.

Doqui - Raging Tide · October 2010

@ Desdi, that is exactly why i got the wand

i also have the aquadash tho, it offers a little more Matk and Patk.

i might replace both and go for the FC pataka, it has very high Matk and Patk and it gives a good amount of Pdef.
The tt90 glaive needs to much mag imo fc pataka needs 250, tt90 glaive needs 270

as for the rings, your suggestion sounds good, i was thinking of the CoA or making some in OHT.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b6f08e3a75a3dff1 this is more how it's gonna be, hp drops a bit, but damage and Pdef will go up

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7285f7aad8dfc033 same build with channeling rings.

Any tips for the stat points 90~100? should i get more mag and go for tt99 weapon or add str/dex and stay with FC weap and go for tt99 armor?

Zairi - Dreamweaver · October 2010

Hm but Patakas are slow (only 1 att/sec).

Im curious now what do high level HA Venos think of the Requiem Blade? I thought that one might be good and it is very cheap on my server i saw molds for just 150k.

Desdi - Sanctuary · October 2010

Requiem Blade seems like a nice choice for HA Venomancers. You can even find +5 ones for only 2mil (at least in Sanctuary) and a +5 Requiem is as strong as a +4 Wrath Conqueror, which could cost ~6ml+ to acquire. The weapon also has +10/11 Vit, Mag and Dex points which come very useful for HA Venomancers. Personally, I highly recommend it for HA builds if you're looking for something cheap and good.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · October 2010

Zairi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I know im still a lowbie HA/AA Veno but for me it looks ok. And i dunno but i see 6800hp ...b:surrender

It's 5296. 6800 is with barb buff.

That said, 5300 is fine for level 91. Gotta laugh at level 100+ people who expect level 90s people to have the same hp as they do, even though all the armor is going to be sold/decomposed at 99-100. Um, no, I am not going to refine my TT90 gear to +8 and imbue citrine gems like you did your TT99/Nirvana.

I don't have much experience with the caster/HA build (aside from sometimes doing an instance by casting with my toon). So I can't really comment on how good/bad that is. But I'm a bit wary of it. By switching to heavy, you're gaining flexibility in defense by giving up the high end of your offense. I just feel better about the loss in offense if I can add some flexibility to it. You've got all those points dumped into str which augment patk. Why not pick up a couple nice patk rings and a sword, just in case you come across a situation where physical attacks or fox form are better?

Azura - Lost City · October 2010

WTS CV Pataka to venos on carebear servers so they can do more damage on fox form, 200m each! b:laugh

Silest - Sanctuary · October 2010

WTB Steeltoe boot to shove up Azura's furry little ***.

Doqui - Raging Tide · October 2010

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's 5296. 6800 is with barb buff.

That said, 5300 is fine for level 91. Gotta laugh at level 100+ people who expect level 90s people to have the same hp as they do, even though all the armor is going to be sold/decomposed at 99-100. Um, no, I am not going to refine my TT90 gear to +8 and imbue citrine gems like you did your TT99/Nirvana.

I don't have much experience with the caster/HA build (aside from sometimes doing an instance by casting with my toon). So I can't really comment on how good/bad that is. But I'm a bit wary of it. By switching to heavy, you're gaining flexibility in defense by giving up the high end of your offense. I just feel better about the loss in offense if I can add some flexibility to it. You've got all those points dumped into str which augment patk. Why not pick up a couple nice patk rings and a sword, just in case you come across a situation where physical attacks or fox form are better?

Spot on

The cape, helmet and arcane sleeves will most likely stay with me as end gear. that's why they will have perfect shards and a decent refine. the tt90 heavy i'm not sure about yet. i will keep those at +3 with flawless shards.

if you look at the Seal of Eternal solitude rings, they give 100Matk AND 100Patk, they are perfect for a HA/AA veno.

As for the FC rings, i will only keep those for when i realy need the channeling (spam pet heal) for this reason i also have the 3% channeling necklece and my ranked robe.

Sure a nirvana geared "daddy's credit card" kid will kill me, but for 99% of the players out there that play this game the fair way it'll be a close fight.

The__love - Raging Tide · October 2010

i have been a heavy veno for a long time on RT(1 of the first sucsessful heavy veno builds)
i like ur build but i think u could make a few little adjustments so i did them for u to point u to what u could do to get better stats overall as well as being able to preform better
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3d037b838da7e7ac
also if you could afford it id strwongly recomend you that you reset to sage unless ur planing to go fist veno for end gameb:chuckle other then that ur gear is rly well planned have fun i hope my responce is of help to u

tweakz · October 2010

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sure a nirvana geared "daddy's credit card" kid will kill me, but for 99% of the players out there that play this game the fair way it'll be a close fight.

We all love the buttholes running around just ***uming because we have Nirvana equips that we're children with parent's credit cards. Parents are poor dumb butt! Children are expensive! The heavy cash shoppers are either stupid rich or just stupid, but I doubt they're the majority that own Nirvana. This single 2x drops event alone will be enough for me to go from tt90 pants to ☆☆Sacred Legate Pants while holding a full time job. b:bye

Doqui - Raging Tide · October 2010

tweakz wrote: »

We all love the buttholes running around just ***uming because we have Nirvana equips that we're children with parent's credit cards. Parents are poor dumb butt! Children are expensive! The heavy cash shoppers are either stupid rich or just stupid, but I doubt they're the majority that own Nirvana. This single 2x drops event alone will be enough for me to go from tt90 pants to ☆☆Sacred Legate Pants while holding a full time job. b:bye

that's why i said 99% b:chuckle there's always the 1% that get's there nirvana gear by farming there butt off.
If they would 1 shot me they bloody well earned it b:laugh

kenlee · October 2010

Nyxya - Harshlands wrote: »

we call on our server ha veno -1hit veno:D wonder whyb:laughb:chuckle

some are actually 2 shots xD

Nyxya - Harshlands · October 2010

kenlee wrote: »

some are actually 2 shots xD

ya but not many lol...

first and first pls people use brain for a second...this game is free because other ppl pay $ instead farm for various reason but first is that they can afford..your hate is in wrong direction really...

second as heavy veno ur heal will be nerfed alotttt...you gonna tank not the pet so repairs and pots that made veno cheapest class ever wil go hi HI HI HI...

next is that at 90 ha veno can be fun but when u get to 100 you might wanna go on batlefield and you gonna meet mages, venos or any other mag class with hi refine weapon and pure or almost pure mag builds that gonna kill you 1 hit or...2 ...actually many many venos at 100 restat to aa from la or ha

a good viable ha build is expensive cause need lot of refine and shard to compensate for lose of points or mag def ....

a good playable build is aa and if u want get stronger u farm more but least u don't run from aoe bosses ..50vit or 100 rest magic make u efficient farmer

ha don't live to sin attacks anymore then aa venos hence sin kind of op so don't think that is a good reason to go ha

also bm, barbar wise ..ok heavy you can take few more hits but you will never be able drop a charmed bm like in 1mil year or even not charmed for that matter
also nyx is easy to dodge or avoid are soooo many ways...don't think nyx alone will do kill and you are safe in heavy caskets:D

all this been said i state again that is a free country and everyone should do any build likes and fits...so good luck to you:)

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary · October 2010

Nyxya - Harshlands wrote: »

ya but not many lol...

first and first pls people use brain for a second...this game is free because other ppl pay $ instead farm for various reason but first is that they can afford..your hate is in wrong direction really...

second as heavy veno ur heal will be nerfed alotttt...you gonna tank not the pet so repairs and pots that made veno cheapest class ever wil go hi HI HI HI...

next is that at 90 ha veno can be fun but when u get to 100 you might wanna go on batlefield and you gonna meet mages, venos or any other mag class with hi refine weapon and pure or almost pure mag builds that gonna kill you 1 hit or...2 ...actually many many venos at 100 restat to aa from la or ha

a good viable ha build is expensive cause need lot of refine and shard to compensate for lose of points or mag def ....

a good playable build is aa and if u want get stronger u farm more but least u don't run from aoe bosses ..50vit or 100 rest magic make u efficient farmer

ha don't live to sin attacks anymore then aa venos hence sin kind of op so don't think that is a good reason to go ha

also bm, barbar wise ..ok heavy you can take few more hits but you will never be able drop a charmed bm like in 1mil year or even not charmed for that matter
also nyx is easy to dodge or avoid are soooo many ways...don't think nyx alone will do kill and you are safe in heavy caskets:D

all this been said i state again that is a free country and everyone should do any build likes and fits...so good luck to you:)

Well, im not really gonna argue with any points here, but pet heals aren't really so much a problem, it's about knowing your limits. It is true that HA is a pricey build, especially if you wanna compete in the pvp area (which i see your on a pvp server), but you have to remember any buid is expensive if you wanna compete. One thing to remember is not every veno goes HA/AA just for pvp. Alot do it just for foxform, which is basically what i did. And tbh, i don't really see a rise in repairs or mana costs. I probably use less mana now, especially at bosses, since im usually just sparking, normal attacking, and amping in foxform. But my mood depends on what form i use, but i realize later I'll have to learn when to use foxform and when not to.

Silest - Sanctuary · November 2010

I think the build does not matter for mana. -chan will burn your mp more than the amount of mana pool you have. Soul transfusion. You never run out lol.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · November 2010

Nyxya - Harshlands wrote: »

ya but not many lol...

first and first pls people use brain for a second...this game is free because other ppl pay $ instead farm for various reason but first is that they can afford..your hate is in wrong direction really...

second as heavy veno ur heal will be nerfed alotttt...you gonna tank not the pet so repairs and pots that made veno cheapest class ever wil go hi HI HI HI...

next is that at 90 ha veno can be fun but when u get to 100 you might wanna go on batlefield and you gonna meet mages, venos or any other mag class with hi refine weapon and pure or almost pure mag builds that gonna kill you 1 hit or...2 ...actually many many venos at 100 restat to aa from la or ha

a good viable ha build is expensive cause need lot of refine and shard to compensate for lose of points or mag def ....

a good playable build is aa and if u want get stronger u farm more but least u don't run from aoe bosses ..50vit or 100 rest magic make u efficient farmer

ha don't live to sin attacks anymore then aa venos hence sin kind of op so don't think that is a good reason to go ha

you sure about that? 7x sins dont seem to have much of a problem taking out 8x and not much more of a problem taking out 9x, of course the 99+ high -int sins dont have much of a problem 1v1ing anyone.

also bm, barbar wise ..ok heavy you can take few more hits but you will never be able drop a charmed bm like in 1mil year or even not charmed for that matter wow... a million years huh, time sure does fly
also nyx is easy to dodge or avoid are soooo many ways...don't think nyx alone will do kill and you are safe in heavy caskets:D

all this been said i state again that is a free country and everyone should do any build likes and fits...so good luck to you:)

AA's are weak to barbs, BMs archers, sins and pets
HA's are weak to wizs, venos, psys, and clerics.

HA's have lower magic attack, but can hot-bar their gear to switch depending on opponent, making them more versatile.

in order to be effective you're gonna have to do more than send in your pet and spam venomous, but thats the fun of it. push button - receive kill is boring.

any class can kill any other class, regardless of their armor, its all in how you can manipulate your weaknesses against their strengths and leverage your strengths against their weaknesses.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · November 2010

Nyxya - Harshlands wrote: »

second as heavy veno ur heal will be nerfed alotttt...

At 300 mag for the heavy vs. 450 mag for pure arcane, with TT99 weapon refined to +5, perfect shard, and two 100 matk rings, the heavy's heal is 78% that of the arcane's. Against a more common vit-arcane with (say) 400 mag, the heavy's heal is 84% that of the arcane. Except in some very marginal cases against certain bosses, it's really not that big a deal.

you gonna tank not the pet so repairs and pots that made veno cheapest class ever wil go hi HI HI HI...

If you end up tanking instead of the pet, then the arcane veno most likely would have died in the same situation. So unless you don't care about exp, heavy is still cheaper.

next is that at 90 ha veno can be fun but when u get to 100 you might wanna go on batlefield and you gonna meet mages, venos or any other mag class with hi refine weapon and pure or almost pure mag builds that gonna kill you 1 hit or...2 ...actually many many venos at 100 restat to aa from la or ha

For some reason this seems to be a common misconception - that if you're a heavy build, you're stuck wearing heavy armor. Because of the mag requirement on the weapon, heavy venos can wear arcane armor just fine. If you're ever in a situation where you need more mdef, you just swap 1, 2, or all your heavy armor pieces for arcane instead. So heavy builds can have the same mdef as arcane. There's no need to restat just because you can be 1- or 2-shot when wearing all heavy.

Vit only gets you 12 hp per vit. So if you dump 50 points into vit like our 400 mag vit-mag build, you've gotten an extra 600 hp. You can dump 100 points into vit for +1200 hp, but then your heals and casting damage are not much better than the heavy's.

Heavy armor refines for ~63% more hp than arcane. For the TT99 armor set, refining all 4 pieces to +6 gets the heavy an extra 516 hp over the arcane. Refining to +8 is 884 extra. +10 is 1516 extra. So it's pretty easy to use refines to overcome the lack of hp from having only 3 vit.

The helmet is even more heavily skewed in favor of the heavy. Arcane hats come with +mp. Heavy helmets come with +hp, have a higher chance for +hp mods, and refine for ~60% more hp than arcane hats. For example, take the warsoul hats which are so popular with arcane for the -3% channel:

arcane: +400 mana, -3% channel, +5/6 mag, +3% phys damage reduct. +205 hp @ +5, +468 hp @ +8, +802 @ +10.
heavy: +460 hp, +5/6 str, +1% crit. +275 hp @ +5, +624 hp @ +8, +1070 hp @ +10.

And that's not even the best heavy helmet. So refining those hats and TT99 armor, heavy has a +922 hp advantage over arcane @ +5, +1500 hp @ +8, +2244 hp @ +10. The gap is even wider with nirvana armor.

a good viable ha build is expensive cause need lot of refine and shard to compensate for lose of points or mag def ....

A heavy build is expensive because you have to get a ton of +stat gear, and you need to maintain two sets of armor. You actually gain a lot more hp from the refines than even a vit-mag build would get.

a good playable build is aa and if u want get stronger u farm more but least u don't run from aoe bosses ..50vit or 100 rest magic make u efficient farmer

The only build which runs from AOE bosses are arcanes who have to run from physical AOEs. If a heavy has to fight a magical AOE boss, all you do is put on some arcane armor.

No comment on the PvP stuff since I don't PvP.

Shifong - Heavens Tear · November 2010

Funny to see how people still make assumptions on heavy armor veno's and their shortcomings on their gameplay.

Yes, magic attack is nerfed. But our magic damage wasn't much to begin with compared to other classes. But when it comes to playing my veno as in doing my job, i notice that i'm capable of doing my job much easier a lot of times. Survivability is very useful when you need to debuff bosses with heavy aoe's or when you end up tanking bosses in Abbadon which i did before when the bm couldn't out damage me. Even tanked bosses before in nirvana when squad wiped. Having high defence is very convenient in many situations.

as for magic damage we take. Like said before, we can counter magic damage with arcane armor. Personally i don't switch much, but mosty only my sleeves. But my experience in TW is that i'm not that much of a 1 shot. I can get 1 shotted by some people who have crazy gear, but in general my survivability against physical and magic attacks is quite decent.

jackmorta · November 2010

"lol @ the people complaining about the hp, it's with +3 refines and all 3 socks.

the gear will be at least +5 and most parts will have 4 socks (and perfect shards)

atm i'm still farming TT but i can make at least 6 boots and 4 pants, i'm pretty sure at least 1 of each will turn out with 4 sockets. if not meh, i'll farm some more .

1 shot veno? i think not, no mellee class will 1shot 5k 14k Pdef at lvl 91,
Caster class 1 shot me? i think not, my AA armor will do me good there"

i dont doubt any classes ability to play a build, only the players ability. if a caster class wants to 1shot u, they are going to 1shot u. when a wizzie hits an arcane for 22k damage without debuff u dont rly stand much of a chance. and with 5.0 sins and fisters who easilly kill barbs with 20k+ hp.

at lvl 100 with 12k hp unbuffed and 16k pdef i cn still get massacred.

Maiira - Sanctuary · November 2010

damn posted with wrong account lol. anyways not saying any build is bad. i believe any build for veno is viable as long as the person controlling the char knows how to play the class and the build that they have chosen. be is vit arcane w/ garnets. pure mag, la, ha, hybrid, dex, veno is the most versatile class in the game if played by a good player. from looking at ur posts u show that ur experience with dealing in many situations is limited. specially the thinking that u wont be 1shotted. even my char as light armor restated mag into vit for even more hp. not even enough mag to equip wep w/o gears. i still hit up to 14k with single hits on arcanes, 8k on bm's with marrow, and upwards of 30k on barbs/unbuffed bm's using neon +10

this was when my neon was still +6, By_uL is a 100 bm and had cleric buffs

never underestimate or overestimate some1's abilities especially your own.

xxxdsmer · November 2010

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

Really? I only see 5296 hp, http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f5fa95845b7deaa5 which is very low.

Go AA in my opinion.

you wouldnt have much more with an AA veno either lol.

and AA veno cant survive the crazy phys atk aoe's that a HA can (talking clericless soulbanisher in 1-2 and/or 1-3. things like that)

so HA (IF done right) is not a nerf to the class, and allows it to do some things that AA's just cant do.

sleepcat · November 2010

Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But my experience in TW is that i'm not that much of a 1 shot. I can get 1 shotted by some people who have crazy gear, but in general my survivability against physical and magic attacks is quite decent.

You already have crazy gear, what are you talking about? b:shocked

But yea, Azura probably just asked that to point out the 7k HP was with barb buff, not without. Regardless, 5.2k is pretty passable at early 9x, considering that's the ballpark range for most Arcane Venos anyways. HA/AA doesn't really shine until +5 or more refines, where the HP difference in refine rates start to show. So yea, it is still a pretty expensive build. But even before then, the flexibility in changing your mag and phy defenses is quite noteworthy.

xxxdsmer · November 2010

The__love - Raging Tide wrote: »

i have been a heavy veno for a long time on RT(1 of the first sucsessful heavy veno builds)
i like ur build but i think u could make a few little adjustments so i did them for u to point u to what u could do to get better stats overall as well as being able to preform better
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3d037b838da7e7ac
also if you could afford it id strwongly recomend you that you reset to sage unless ur planing to go fist veno for end gameb:chuckle other then that ur gear is rly well planned have fun i hope my responce is of help to u

1) anyone else make sense of this gibberish?

2) sage or demon dosent matter, even if planning to go crappy "fist veno" (that cant heal pet for chit). veno dosent get attack rate boost or channeling- from 3spark, so sage/demon is rly irrelevant as far as trying to be "5aps" or w/e (that ppl shouldnt be doing anyway because even a HA veno that can wear 99 wpn and armor at 99 is gona out DD a fist veno, oh and they can still do things like heal their pet lol)

Mauntille - Heavens Tear · November 2010

xxxdsmer wrote: »

and AA veno cant survive the crazy phys atk aoe's that a HA can (talking clericless soulbanisher in 1-2 and/or 1-3. things like that)

Actually, they can. It's not as easy as HA, sure, but still perfectly doable.

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