Something I've always wondered

Ow - Dreamweaver
Ow - Dreamweaver Posts: 98 Arc User
edited October 2010 in General Discussion
So you know how we're supposed to check all threads before we actually make a thread?

But then we post on an old thread because that's the only one that is relevant to our question?

But then everybody flames us and asks us why we necro a thread?

I haven't done it. Just for the fact that posting on a pre-existing thread apparently gets you flamed.

But I don't get it. Either deal with the necro of the threads, or deal with the millions of new threads. O.o I really don't understand.
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  • EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear
    EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    o.o Well, if the old thread dealt with the subject, but failed to offer the info you needed, just link it as a source in a new thread, request the needed information, and proceed from there. Simple and fast, if you know where the old thread was.
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  • Roseary - Sanctuary
    Roseary - Sanctuary Posts: 978 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    o.o Well, if the old thread dealt with the subject, but failed to offer the info you needed, just link it as a source in a new thread, request the needed information, and proceed from there. Simple and fast, if you know where the old thread was.

    Or just make a new thread, no linking and see what you get. Search is not always perfect anyway, but you can always say you tried.
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  • Ow - Dreamweaver
    Ow - Dreamweaver Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    true O.o but wouldn't it be easier to just necro the old thread rather than flood with a bunch of confusing threads... like a continuous thread of information on one subject.. almost like a sticky... except... it's just there? One place for all the information. It would make it a lot easier for the newbs. we'd just have to link them to one place all the time. We'd know the most informative area for their question. and bam O.o newb-b-gone
  • EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear
    EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Ow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    O.o newb-b-gone

    O_O I need some of that for my BH runs.
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  • Ow - Dreamweaver
    Ow - Dreamweaver Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    EbonyBlood - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    O_O I need some of that for my BH runs.
    +1
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Given that necro'ing a thread is against the rules, no it wouldn't be a better option to start running about reviving dead threads, even if they are about the same subject.

    If the old thread did not provide the answer you need, then start a new thread and link to it (which would prove you used the search function, so people can't run around telling you to do something you've already done) and then state what your problem is and wait for an answer. This way, you prove you used the search function first, you have provided a thread for people to read through to double check the answer you need isn't in there and you don't break any forum rules in the process.

    And there you have it, the real theory of noob-be-gone, complete with a no rule-breaking policy. Because it's just rocket science to figure that out.
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  • Zahlee - Lost City
    Zahlee - Lost City Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Also, if you necro an old thread, the information at the beginning of that thread might be outdated or not even relevant anymore. Ie: you begin reading what you think is a new thread, and the posters are talking about how awesome that event was yesterday. You start thinking omg what did i miss yesterday?? Until 3 pages later you read the date of the thread and realise that was an event that was on 2 years ago. (...Yes, i've done that lol. b:surrender) So you skip to the last page and realise that someone had necro'd the thread by asking "what do you think the re-introduction of this event would do to pwi?"

    Just an example...but honestly as well as all the reasons already listed above, it would just make more people more confused by necroing old threads :)
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  • Yindra - Sanctuary
    Yindra - Sanctuary Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Ow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So you know how we're supposed to check all threads before we actually make a thread?

    But then we post on an old thread because that's the only one that is relevant to our question?

    But then everybody flames us and asks us why we necro a thread?

    Just keep in mind that game companies are lazy. This is one of the many cases that COULD easily be dealt with automatically --- the rule about necroing is something along the lines of a thread not getting any new posts for a certain amount of time, which can easily be checked by the forum software to disable posting if the thread qualifies as "dead".

    It just doesn't happen because lazy companies think its better to offload this to the general public --- posting a "rule" in some "Read Me First" post takes less time than just doing things right.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Ow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    true O.o but wouldn't it be easier to just necro the old thread rather than flood with a bunch of confusing threads... like a continuous thread of information on one subject.. almost like a sticky... except... it's just there? One place for all the information. It would make it a lot easier for the newbs. we'd just have to link them to one place all the time. We'd know the most informative area for their question. and bam O.o newb-b-gone
    Anything that useful belongs in the wiki, not a sticky. Stickies are more for things which are constantly changing and open to debate, like recommendations.
  • Simi_P - Dreamweaver
    Simi_P - Dreamweaver Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    OK, so; I have a question then. (No, I'm not very computer savy.) Can someone explain how to link an old thread to a new one? Thanks!
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  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Ow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So you know how we're supposed to check all threads before we actually make a thread?

    But then we post on an old thread because that's the only one that is relevant to our question?

    But then everybody flames us and asks us why we necro a thread?

    I haven't done it. Just for the fact that posting on a pre-existing thread apparently gets you flamed.

    But I don't get it. Either deal with the necro of the threads, or deal with the millions of new threads. O.o I really don't understand.

    This is what's known as a double standard.

    And it's completely ****. This is the only forum I've seen that actively bashes (both from member base AND administration alike) anyone who actually uses the ****ing search function.
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  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Simi_P - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    OK, so; I have a question then. (No, I'm not very computer savy.) Can someone explain how to link an old thread to a new one? Thanks!
    In your reply just put some text like "(see original thread)", now copy the URL of the thread you want to link to (from another tab in your browser or wherever), select the "original thread" text, click the "create link" icon (the little world icon with a link below it), and in the pop-up that appears just paste the URL you copied, and then click OK. Now the text you selected will be a link to that URL.
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  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just keep in mind that game companies are lazy. This is one of the many cases that COULD easily be dealt with automatically --- the rule about necroing is something along the lines of a thread not getting any new posts for a certain amount of time, which can easily be checked by the forum software to disable posting if the thread qualifies as "dead".

    It just doesn't happen because lazy companies think its better to offload this to the general public --- posting a "rule" in some "Read Me First" post takes less time than just doing things right.

    The amount of time you are speaking of is 1 month after a thread hasn't been touched for one month its considered a necro here. And many people have suggested such a software but it has never been commented on by staff.
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just keep in mind that game companies are lazy. This is one of the many cases that COULD easily be dealt with automatically
    The PWI forums use vBulletin 3.7.1, and could easily add this if they felt like it. I suspect they just don't know how.

    For example, here's an add-on that was written way back in 2005 that does automatic necro-prevention:

    http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=96850

    I'm sure there are others too...
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  • sleepcat
    sleepcat Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I've always wondered though, what's wrong with necroing threads? It's often a rule not to necro old threads in many forums, but I honestly don't see why it's so terrible compared to like, bypassing the filter.
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  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    sleepcat wrote: »
    I've always wondered though, what's wrong with necroing threads? It's often a rule not to necro old threads in many forums, but I honestly don't see why it's so terrible compared to like, bypassing the filter.


    Continuity error is the problem well most of it anyway. Bringing up a old problem thread and posting in it after it has passed everyones memory causes a panic that its happening it again and thus they don't like necros because trolls use them to disturb people.

    If I brought back the thread that had the clothes for thousands of coins glitch thread people would think its happening again it just wouldn't be pretty. Necroing once just gets you a warning not to do it again. I am sure you sleepcat have seen some of the things that people have pulled up and seen some of the things people who have never seen it happen before comment on it.

    The rule is to prevent a discussion a year ago from being jumped in on by someone who is stating that the problem doesn't exist and that they are stupid for thinking it does.
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