BH 3-3 boss a wimp again!

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  • Ruli - Heavens Tear
    Ruli - Heavens Tear Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    That video is totally rediculous an shows the level of the playing field right now.
    I can understand why the TT was changed if its so easy for 5ap/s BM's an sins.
    The devs need too realise though that not all classes are capable of such stupid amounts of damage. An penailsing the 90% of players who are not capable due to class restrictions an the fact they didnt sit on land for almost two years worth of SICK tw pay.
    Quick fix for the devs. put in a script where its instant death to all BM's an sins an party wipe for rest the party. But dumb down the instance permantly. They pull out the 5 aps weapons they get instanntly killed. That will stop the ubber farming an bring back the fun to the game. Yea im pretty grumpy barb right now i just spent last 16 hours farming giant beast armour for guildies. Two bosses an it took upto an hour per run. Level the playing feild. Dont make it harder for the 'normal' playersb:angry
  • LadyofReal - Heavens Tear
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,993 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Ruli - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That video is totally rediculous an shows the level of the playing field right now.
    I can understand why the TT was changed if its so easy for 5ap/s BM's an sins.
    The devs need too realise though that not all classes are capable of such stupid amounts of damage. An penailsing the 90% of players who are not capable due to class restrictions an the fact they didnt sit on land for almost two years worth of SICK tw pay.
    Quick fix for the devs. put in a script where its instant death to all BM's an sins an party wipe for rest the party. But dumb down the instance permantly. They pull out the 5 aps weapons they get instanntly killed. That will stop the ubber farming an bring back the fun to the game. Yea im pretty grumpy barb right now i just spent last 16 hours farming giant beast armour for guildies. Two bosses an it took upto an hour per run. Level the playing feild. Dont make it harder for the 'normal' playersb:angry

    So, you think it would be fair to penalize the BM's and sins who have worked incredibly hard for their gear simply because you can't keep up? I would rather spend 40 minutes inside a TT run than an hour plus. I will agree that TT needs some challenge to it, but not to the extent of where it was or to where it will start punishing players because of their attack speed.

    (BTW, archers can reach 5 aps as well).
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    That video is totally rediculous an shows the level of the playing field right now.
    Hm, playing field? Don't think one of the top geared players of serv as an example of the playing field...

    Quick fix for the devs. put in a script where its instant death to all BM's an sins an party wipe for rest the party.
    Whether they cashed/merchanted/farmed for their gears, why shouldn't they be able to reap the fruits now?


    Meh, anyway all these discussions gettin'annoying... Everything been said over & over... :/

    The TT spawn point at Town of Arrivals is so lively the past few days b:sad So nice to see so many ppl there & We been farming all day as well. Usually just afingk in west otherwise or being bored; now got together again with a few ppl that haven't played with for a long while. Good times :/
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Ruli - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That video is totally rediculous an shows the level of the playing field right now.
    I can understand why the TT was changed if its so easy for 5ap/s BM's an sins.
    The devs need too realise though that not all classes are capable of such stupid amounts of damage. An penailsing the 90% of players who are not capable due to class restrictions an the fact they didnt sit on land for almost two years worth of SICK tw pay.
    Quick fix for the devs. put in a script where its instant death to all BM's an sins an party wipe for rest the party. But dumb down the instance permantly. They pull out the 5 aps weapons they get instanntly killed. That will stop the ubber farming an bring back the fun to the game. Yea im pretty grumpy barb right now i just spent last 16 hours farming giant beast armour for guildies. Two bosses an it took upto an hour per run. Level the playing feild. Dont make it harder for the 'normal' playersb:angry

    awww... poor baby doesn't get her first pick anymore.
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  • FooFooKity - Heavens Tear
    FooFooKity - Heavens Tear Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    awww... poor baby doesn't get her first pick anymore.

    Dont think its about having first pick anymore...He ran 15+ TTs today and only thing he took out of there was a repair bill..all the mats that dropped went to the subber who was IN NEED of GBA for their gear.... get off ur high horse an start helping lower lvls get their gear or there wont be many players post 90 if this continues...esp since u need to be 100+ an have +8 or better gear to even go near Callouseast as he was last week. Ive not seen one post that had all at lvl people claim to be able to kill him as he was b4...somewhere in the mix is always atleast 2 or 3 lvl 100s. Not every one in this game is greedy there are some barbs, clerics, sins, psychics, venos, bms, venos, and wizards who despite gaining absolutely nothing from a TT gladly go in to HELP thats right i said HELP others maybe if more high lvls were like that this game would be a bit more pleasurable to play.
  • Hallepaurion - Dreamweaver
    Hallepaurion - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Wow... talk about a let down... I was so excited when I'd heard TT 3's had reverted to their normal state :(

    Just another reason I'm planning for a move to FW... but then it's the same company, maybe they'll stuff up FW the same way they've done it with PWI.
  • Stabbistabbi - Dreamweaver
    Stabbistabbi - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    a direct question to the gm's/admins.

    the different companies run pwi how they see fit, you said that we cannot dual client when china can for this reason.


    so why in the world are you following china with the tt3-x impossibility patch?
  • KrittyCat - Dreamweaver
    KrittyCat - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,273 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Stabbistabbi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    a direct question to the gm's/admins.

    the different companies run pwi how they see fit, you said that we cannot dual client when china can for this reason.


    so why in the world are you following china with the tt3-x impossibility patch?

    Not a GM or admin, but I can tell you this much. Multi-clienting is something that is based solely on the player's computer. Just because one person has edited their files to be able to do so, another player halfway across the country can't. That person has to edit those files for themselves. Multi-clienting is not based off the server itself. This makes it no longer under PWBeijing's jurisdiction here, which means that PWI could allow us to multi-client even if PWBeijing did not. PWI just prefers to avoid any possible problems like what PWBeijing is experiencing by making it against the rules.

    However, the patch that made TT3-x harder is part of the server-based files. Since PWBeijing owns PWI, PWI has to do what they are told in regards to server files. Thus, like with the DQ price drop, if people on the Chinese version of the game do something that PWBeijing doesn't like and they release a patch against it, we get hit with it here, too.

    This is also why the DQ compensation of Dragon Points has to occur outside of the realm of the game. The GMs here are not allowed to edit any of the code, so they can't add in an extra shop or NPC to take care of it in-game. Rather, they have to put it on the site so that they don't get in trouble and lose their jobs.

    Sorry for the long post, lol.
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  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    KrittyCat - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Not a GM or admin, but I can tell you this much. Multi-clienting is something that is based solely on the player's computer. Just because one person has edited their files to be able to do so, another player halfway across the country can't. That person has to edit those files for themselves. Multi-clienting is not based off the server itself. This makes it no longer under PWBeijing's jurisdiction here, which means that PWI could allow us to multi-client even if PWBeijing did not. PWI just prefers to avoid any possible problems like what PWBeijing is experiencing by making it against the rules.

    .

    Actually incorrect you do not have to edit anything to get multiple clients upon the same PC.

    And no i wont describe how as i dont want more people to abuse it than already do.

    note: i do not use it myself, and i have pretty well quit PWI
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    if some of you are too lazy to read the videos comment this was made AFTER the tt nerf with the "almost impossible" bosses

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9bs5dsROGM
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  • Lalius - Lost City
    Lalius - Lost City Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    @Regenbogen: Why not ask for some GM to sticky that video, then you do not have to be bothered to post it in every single thread or even make an extra one for it, like your poll. Sure it is OP and sure they should nerf it, but this is a full squad that put A LOT of coins into their gear. May I remind you that a veno was the only class to solo some pretty profitable bosses not long ago? With much much worse gear? Butthurt that it isn't so anymore? Well quit already -.-
  • WraithTanker - Sanctuary
    WraithTanker - Sanctuary Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lalius - Lost City wrote: »
    @Regenbogen: Why not ask for some GM to sticky that video, then you do not have to be bothered to post it in every single thread or even make an extra one for it, like your poll. Sure it is OP and sure they should nerf it, but this is a full squad that put A LOT Real Life Money into their gear. May I remind you that a veno was the only class to solo some pretty profitable bosses not long ago? With much much worse gear? Butthurt that it isn't so anymore? Well quit already -.-

    fixed it for you
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lalius - Lost City wrote: »
    @Regenbogen: Why not ask for some GM to sticky that video, then you do not have to be bothered to post it in 2? single threads. Sure it is OP and sure they should nerf it, but this is a full squad that put A LOT of DOLLARS into their gear. May I remind you that a veno was the only class to solo some pretty profitable bosses not long ago? With much much worse gear? Butthurt that it isn't so anymore? Well quit already -.-

    why should i people in PW(on LC) are still so much fun...b:chuckle
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »
    if some of you are too lazy to read the videos comment this was made AFTER the tt nerf with the "almost impossible" bosses

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9bs5dsROGM

    How about you post a screen of their gear along with the video?
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  • Lalius - Lost City
    Lalius - Lost City Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Won't deny that's the case in many cases, but not all 5 aps people - and I know you will deny that because you got the zen histroy of every single 5 aps person out there in front of you - cashshopped all the way. So I used a more neutral way and just said "coins". Of course you can get coins with RL money. Have fun then...

    No matter how they got the coins, it's a fact it takes a lot of effort to get there.
  • Argyle - Dreamweaver
    Argyle - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    And guys, I'm sorry this mistake on our part got your hopes up. I knew it wouldn't make you happy to hear this news, but I am trying be as up front with you as possible, and at least you all now know ahead of time what's going to happen with this issue in the near future.

    Also, for those of you who are angry at the ones who reported this change in the beginning, please know that their report may have averted a future disaster caused by the outdated data file not belonging with the rest of the game client.

    why don't they take a few months to fix current problems instead of figuring out ways to **** more people over? thought mirages for tw land pay was supposed to help gold prices? higher then they've been in a very long time right now with coin removed from tw land pay for 2-3 months, it didn't have the effect ya'll wanted, think it's time to switch it back.

    also would be nice to see GM's on all servers more often, i miss our it's a new day alerts....
  • Xangelxbritt - Harshlands
    Xangelxbritt - Harshlands Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Hey guys, so we got the official word back from China--


    It turns out that an old data file was used in the latest patch, which reverted the boss AI to how it used to be before the TT difficulty was increased.

    This change was not intended, and we've been informed that leaving it as is would cause other in-game problems down the road especially having to do with large-scale in-game events.

    For this reason, we're going to have to revert back to the more difficult TT soon, possibly next maintenance.

    Believe me, we understand that the overwhelming sentiment is that the players prefer the easier TT, but we are not willing to compromise the stability of the entire game for TT to stay the way it is. Add to this the fact that we're going to be having some major additional new content soon (to be announced shortly!), we just don't think it's a smart risk to take.

    The devs know that you guys prefer TT the way it used to be, so we'll see if they can come up with a different solution to make everyone happy.

    Thanks guys :)



    its impossible to do this instance as a 9x ( when u need the damn gear) when yall nerf it to the point everyone gets one shot even the barbs . lmao n to the updates to come wtf u worryin about now now is now then is then fix the damn boss so he's hard but not impossible to do as a 9x . im a 99 cleric in game n have alts who need there gear n i cant even do the boss nerfed with a 10x squad and myself . anyway ik my rantings goin on deaf ears so w/e ...... peace
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  • Cloudyi - Raging Tide
    Cloudyi - Raging Tide Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Xangelxbritt - Harshlands wrote: »
    its impossible to do this instance as a 9x ( when u need the damn gear) when yall nerf it to the point everyone gets one shot even the barbs . lmao n to the updates to come wtf u worryin about now now is now then is then fix the damn boss so he's hard but not impossible to do as a 9x . im a 99 cleric in game n have alts who need there gear n i cant even do the boss nerfed with a 10x squad and myself . anyway ik my rantings goin on deaf ears so w/e ...... peace

    It's certainly much harder but it's not impossible. You can see that here:
    http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/214/20101002194616.png
    and here
    http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4079/20101017011738.png
  • Teny - Heavens Tear
    Teny - Heavens Tear Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    A lot of people are looking forward to the file being updated to make it much more difficult.

    One thing that's very apparent is since it's very easy, large amounts of "noobs", aka people without very good gear, are farming it, and there's a lot of gold mats coming out.

    The people with better gear would prefer it to be difficult so they can raise the mat prices back up, as even in the last couple of days prices have come down a bit as everyone is desperate for money for packs/gold, etc.

    I still maintain the stand that you shouldn't need advanced versions of the gear you're trying to farm to do the TTs. Ultimately it's just showing favoritism towards people with +10 and up and 5.0 since we're the only ones who can effectively farm it.
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    For gold mats, there's this NPC called Mysterious Merchant, can't raise prices above his coin fee + chip cost...
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    3-1 should've been kept the same IMO. Can you imagine if they made this booboo and had x2 drops? lol
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  • buttercupcruella
    buttercupcruella Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Please, please, leave 3-1 alone!!! I need my GBAs!!!
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  • Arshies - Sanctuary
    Arshies - Sanctuary Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    So Patch notes sais:

    Patch Notes Version 423
    Released 10/12/2010

    Minor localization changes.


    Then, Did someone know if TT's has been fixed to hard mode?
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    3-1 should've been kept the same IMO. Can you imagine if they made this booboo and had x2 drops? lol

    Uh... we've had easy 3-1 during double drops. All that happened was a lot of lv90 people got their GBA's and factions helped members get their 90 sets. The only ones who suffered were the merchanters and hardcore cash farmers. TT was designed to allow players to obtain affordable armor, not as a marketing industry for a select few.

    TT is (or should be) designed simply to obtain decent armor, not as a mega hard uber-challenging instance. The mega hard instances should come AFTER you've had a chance to obtain average high level gear.
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    TT is (or should be) designed simply to obtain decent armor, not as a mega hard uber-challenging instance. The mega hard instances should come AFTER you've had a chance to obtain average high level gear.

    True but...

    Devs want the TT mats to be both very cheap and very expensive at the same time. They want the "easy" TT mats to be worthless so you can't farm it for money and the "hard" TT mats to be worth so much you can't buy them by farming easy TTs.

    If that was the thing to begin with, people wouldn't complain so much as they'd see TT90 as end-game. Which is pretty much how it was before Anni packs.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If that was the thing to begin with, people wouldn't complain so much as they'd see TT90 as end-game. Which is pretty much how it was before Anni packs.

    Before Annipacks, there weren't a whole lot of people around who could farm 3-3. Anipacks and BH accelerated the amount of high end gear in circulation and BH accelerated the amount of people able to farm it.

    Right before packs came out, one of the few people that actually farmed their own Heaven Shatterer was going to help me farm my 90 gold mats... I was next in line whether it took 10 or 100 runs to do. Then packs came out making cheap chips and I had used all the coin I saved over the previous months to buy my gold mats instead of paying for the charms I would have given for someone to tank belial for me.

    Yes, before packs came out, there weren't very many people who could even tank belial 3-1, let alone run a 3-3.
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  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Arshies - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So Patch notes sais:

    Patch Notes Version 423
    Released 10/12/2010

    Minor localization changes.


    Then, Did someone know if TT's has been fixed to hard mode?

    Patch notes also state that TT has been changed back to hard mode. We are on patch 427.
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