End Game Wizard Question
Kitsai - Dreamweaver
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I've been around PWI for about a Year or a little longer now. I've always Liked Magic based Classes other then the cleric as I personally Just can't get into a Clerical/healer Mindset to play it.
I've looked at the wizzie for a long time Finally started to play on and now I am up to lvl 50 as a Pure Arcane Build 9 Magic and 1 Str every 2 lvl's. Standard build for a wizzie and up to until recently I've been told this is a fail build. About a year ago everyone was saying that a LA Wizzie and a Hybrid build where fail and the Pure Arcane was the best way to go.
Talking to people in game They say that at the end game a Pure Magic Build Wizzie, even sharded will fail around lvl 60+ onwards because their pdef is in the bucket hole. In response to said statement I've replied " Whats the use of a High pdef as a wizzie if the Mobs don't even reach you to hit you?" I get laughed at and called a fail wizzie.
So I need to hear from Wizzie Players who have reached lvl 60+ That are Both Arcane and LA Builds. My Question simply this:
Is a Arcane Build Wizzie a fail wizzie at stated lvl's, if not or if so what makes the LA Wizzie Better?
I've looked at the wizzie for a long time Finally started to play on and now I am up to lvl 50 as a Pure Arcane Build 9 Magic and 1 Str every 2 lvl's. Standard build for a wizzie and up to until recently I've been told this is a fail build. About a year ago everyone was saying that a LA Wizzie and a Hybrid build where fail and the Pure Arcane was the best way to go.
Talking to people in game They say that at the end game a Pure Magic Build Wizzie, even sharded will fail around lvl 60+ onwards because their pdef is in the bucket hole. In response to said statement I've replied " Whats the use of a High pdef as a wizzie if the Mobs don't even reach you to hit you?" I get laughed at and called a fail wizzie.
So I need to hear from Wizzie Players who have reached lvl 60+ That are Both Arcane and LA Builds. My Question simply this:
Is a Arcane Build Wizzie a fail wizzie at stated lvl's, if not or if so what makes the LA Wizzie Better?
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Pure int is what you are going to want to be at end game. Maybe arcane vit (what I am) if you feel you need a bit more hp.. but I'm planning on statting to pure int when I get all the gear I want. You might be able to make an argument for LA pre 90, but 90+ LA survivability/damage just sucks.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Adroit - Lost City wrote: »Pure int is what you are going to want to be at end game. Maybe arcane vit (what I am) if you feel you need a bit more hp.. but I'm planning on statting to pure int when I get all the gear I want. You might be able to make an argument for LA pre 90, but 90+ LA survivability/damage just sucks.
Well That is Helpful Thank you. Hope more Wizzies out there will respond to this. I'm just a little confused at it is all so All the input and information I can get is helpful,0 -
Kitsai - Dreamweaver wrote: »I've been around PWI for about a Year or a little longer now. I've always Liked Magic based Classes other then the cleric as I personally Just can't get into a Clerical/healer Mindset to play it.
I've looked at the wizzie for a long time Finally started to play on and now I am up to lvl 50 as a Pure Arcane Build 9 Magic and 1 Str every 2 lvl's. Standard build for a wizzie and up to until recently I've been told this is a fail build. About a year ago everyone was saying that a LA Wizzie and a Hybrid build where fail and the Pure Arcane was the best way to go.
Talking to people in game They say that at the end game a Pure Magic Build Wizzie, even sharded will fail around lvl 60+ onwards because their pdef is in the bucket hole. In response to said statement I've replied " Whats the use of a High pdef as a wizzie if the Mobs don't even reach you to hit you?" I get laughed at and called a fail wizzie.
So I need to hear from Wizzie Players who have reached lvl 60+ That are Both Arcane and LA Builds. My Question simply this:
Is a Arcane Build Wizzie a fail wizzie at stated lvl's, if not or if so what makes the LA Wizzie Better?
My pure Arcane Build Wizard has about 5,500 pdef with all buffs now.
And he hasn't problems with mobs.
He can tank most of bosses from fb19 up to Pyro at bh69.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Hi,
I am lvl 81 Wiz on RT and I am a bit of a mix hybrid - I dont wear LA but I also dont follow the fixed 9/1 Pure route... so I am neither an LA or Pure... My stats are pretty much 60 for everything other than magic which is 300 - I have about 50 to 60 odd points bonused by equipment and everything is gemmed with pdef boosts (immaculate at least).. (v expensive to do this, but worth it - I try to get the best legend/tt kit I can for my level)... I have stopped adding points to anything but magic...
I dont play PvP, only PvE and I have not had a problem with any mobs or quests and can quite easily to the solo TT1-1 with some charms/pots... normal quests are relatively easy and I can usually do the grind mobs within 3 hits... my best crit is about 25 to 30k, my average dam is about 8 to 10k... one thing though - I have lvl 10'd as many of the spells as I can (dont have spellbook upgrades just yet the spirit requirements are high)...
Regarding pdef, I usually have about 2500 normal and when buffed with earth this jumps to around 5k odd (or more with cleric buffs)..
My style of play is not traditionally wiz like as I tend to toe to toe with mobs and let the charm catch a hit or two - if they manage to survive my first 3 spells, then i use a ''push'' spell to give me a last finisher.... I suppose I should learn to leap away a little more but hell, who cares... I can solo zhen DB chief assasins 4 or 5 at a time with some charms and the odd potion...
I have absolutely no problem with the game - in fact its getting easier... and I have never been called a fail wiz...
Hope this helps.0 -
Thank you Magicsaber. I haven't sharded much other then HP Shards But eventually I'll get pdef shards when I can get some decent coin to my name right now In the Hard range of Spirit expense's and coin stage of my existence lol0
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Betrigan - Raging Tide wrote: »Hi,
I am lvl 81 Wiz on RT and I am a bit of a mix hybrid - I dont wear LA but I also dont follow the fixed 9/1 Pure route... so I am neither an LA or Pure... My stats are pretty much 60 for everything other than magic which is 300 - I have about 50 to 60 odd points bonused by equipment and everything is gemmed with pdef boosts (immaculate at least).. (v expensive to do this, but worth it - I try to get the best legend/tt kit I can for my level)... I have stopped adding points to anything but magic...
I dont play PvP, only PvE and I have not had a problem with any mobs or quests and can quite easily to the solo TT1-1 with some charms/pots... normal quests are relatively easy and I can usually do the grind mobs within 3 hits... my best crit is about 25 to 30k, my average dam is about 8 to 10k... one thing though - I have lvl 10'd as many of the spells as I can (dont have spellbook upgrades just yet the spirit requirements are high)...
Regarding pdef, I usually have about 2500 normal and when buffed with earth this jumps to around 5k odd (or more with cleric buffs)..
My style of play is not traditionally wiz like as I tend to toe to toe with mobs and let the charm catch a hit or two - if they manage to survive my first 3 spells, then i use a ''push'' spell to give me a last finisher.... I suppose I should learn to leap away a little more but hell, who cares... I can solo zhen DB chief assasins 4 or 5 at a time with some charms and the odd potion...
I have absolutely no problem with the game - in fact its getting easier... and I have never been called a fail wiz...
Hope this helps.
Wow Nice thank you for the input This is a Definite help over all as it is helping to learn and Improve my over all standing.0 -
With demon/sage Stone Barrier at end game stage, wizard can achieve higher Pdef than some average HA, let alone well LA. My pdef is 11k~ fully buffed and I am a pure int with average refine +4/5, and only 1 lunar ring (almost got the second :P). The idea of a LA wizard for end game is ludicrous.
The most common build for end game is pure int, TT99 set with physical ornaments, shards with citrine (maybe some garnet if you think your pdef is still too low). And this shall serve you fairly well
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Thanks evilramen.
Ok So far from the responses I am seeing End game Pure is STILL the Best way to go. Unless a LA Wizzie or 4 can give me reasons as to why they are better. I'll stay the way I am going currently until that point.
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LA tends to be better up to lvl 90 for survivability, but the TT90 green eq (arcane) is very nice and means that most 90+ players go arcane.
Personally I've been PureInt since lvl 1 and only recently restatted (added +2Dex for an extra point of crit with my eq).
My ornaments are pretty highly refined and I have quite a lot of +pdef adds on my eq - at it's highest my pdef fullbuffed was around 19k but it's dropped since I changed my sharding and added more DoT's so that I'm now around 17.5-18k fullbuffed, somewhere just under 11k pdef with stone barrier only.
I'm 100% convinced that AA is the way to go 90+ - if I had to start from lvl 1 again I'd be tempted to LA until 90 but I have a personal prejudice agaisnt LA on a wizzy as it just seems wrong to me0 -
Pure int just beats LA's.
There's a reason why archers are crying bout their low defence, they're forced to be LA's.0 -
This debate used to have some merit. With FF the only consideration is to NOT take aggro while running DB or if you do, be able to survive it. Whether you stat for extra vit to neuter your damage, LA to be able to tank the aggy you'll take, or choose to wait for 5 seconds until the aggy is firmly settled is really up to you. As a pure int character if you pop DB immediately when mobs are gathered before the aggy is settled you'll die (generally.)
The rest of the argument is purely accademic, with hypers...you should be 9x within a week or two even with garbage gear, so really why bother trying to wrap your mind around game mechanics.
If your plan isn't to spend your coin on hyper but instead to slowly level:
Having 6k health and 12k phys def at lev 8x is awfully nice as LA. With a +4 wep and ornament choices aimed at crit your damage takes minimal lessening. Swap your shield to match the right elements and there's very little you can't deal with during questing. Staying LA until 99 is not uncommon and is very inexpensive to do with molds. Considering the state of TT3-x if you can manage to get dragged into it at all, the extra survivability will serve you well.
Pure arcane with Citrine sharding and moderate refines +3 or so, you'll still not get invited to TT on your DD merits alone, so develope a good personality and support skills. You might have some significant issues farming 3-1(GBA boss)\2-3 (last boss).0 -
If i had the gear, I would be pure mag.
Too bad i set my standards too high (when i reach around 5.7-6k with vit, i will restat my vit out).Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
that having low pdef is bullcrap
1 have over 10k pdef and im not even close to my potential which is over 15k easily
once u get sage/demon earthshield and good ornaments yer pdef is pro and out does every other arcane and LA for the simple fact we are the only class that can buff their base pdef 3 times
self cleric and bm=pro pdef endgame
and all this is possible with no pdef shardingb:bye0 -
MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »that having low pdef is bullcrap
1 have over 10k pdef and im not even close to my potential which is over 15k easily
once u get sage/demon earthshield and good ornaments yer pdef is pro and out does every other arcane and LA for the simple fact we are the only class that can buff their base pdef 3 times
self cleric and bm=pro pdef endgame
and all this is possible with no pdef sharding
MrHanky at level 80 what was your PDEF and HP without buffs? How refined were your gears and what gear choices had you made?0 -
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=863262&page=1
Light armor vs vitality alternatives to arcane wizzie chewed over and over and over.
Post 90, universal agreement to go arcane/pure intel.
Prior to 90 is a different story.Jiblet - Sanctuary wrote: »- at it's highest my pdef fullbuffed was around 19k
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BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=863262&page=1
Light armor vs vitality alternatives to arcane wizzie chewed over and over and over.
Post 90, universal agreement to go arcane/pure intel.
Prior to 90 is a different story.
I hate you.
Ok Thats a Build I've not even Considered in the Link. A Pure Arcane vit build. Thats just a little to much juggling for my little under complicated mind. After reading that Thread I became even more confused when I started. Frankly in my opinion that link strays from my question. I know of 3 builds Pure which is 9 magic and 1 str every 2 lvls, the Hybrid and the LA. I'm mainly talking about 2 and not even considering the Hybrid build here.
If any LA BUILD Wizzies not Hybrid ( no offense to you if you manage to get this build down and work well with it ) Are out there and can shed some light on their end of this subject please respond.
As always I am grateful for any and all input that anyone puts in this thread, Thank you everyone for the advice you give0 -
i was LA build until lvl 55 the (3mag 1 dex 1 str build ) then i used a reset and went pure ( still my current build) The reason why i went LA first was that i once had a pure wiz around 20 on Lost City when i tried out PWI the first time and i have to admit the pure build at lvl 20 was horribly squishy. And it was definitely no fun to get 2hitted by normal mobs. Therefore i started as LA Wiz on dreamweaver. The reason why i became dissatisfied with the build was something that i would like to describe as mana problem.
Even if i was able to take like 4-5 hits of a mob it was no fun killing them because the mobs were able to get close enough to hit me 1-2 times and it took me around 5-6 attacks to get em down without a crit. Those 5-6 attacks for every single mob took a lot of my mana which made me use a lot of mp pots for grinding. I thought maybe a reset would help me kill the mobs faster because pure wiz dmg should be a lot higher compared to LA. So i used my reset and the result brought me back down to earth really fast. The difference in terms of dmg was only ~300/hit more but my crit rate dropped from 7% down to 1%. But i thought well lets give it a try and kill some mobs.
This was the first time when i discovered the huge difference between LA and Pure --> the mana pool. The reset gave me additional 2000 mana points. So even if i was squishier i was able to finish the mobs with less hits + it took less mana compared to my total mana. When i got my 59 spark i knew arcane was the way for me because the 10% mp recovery are awesome.
At the moment i have no problems with killing my normal quest mobs i hardly use pots
The only disadvantage of my purebuild is that i've only 2k hp which makes my build useless for pvp but i'm trying to get some armor with refines to deal with this issue
greetz harm0wnie0 -
lets see i know exactly what armor i had it was tt80 gold full set and weapon
i had a tauren and i believe 1st past belt armors and wep were all +4-5
not sure on the pdef and hp but i did dam good in that stuffb:bye0 -
Thank you Both for the Input and thoughts on this matter.
So Basically HarmOwnie what your saying as a LA build You have less damage plus factor in the crit rate is also still not worth the effort, less Mana even though you can survive a little longer a LA Build has a greater problem in killing mobs and maintaining their Mana pool. Thus Making the Build More expensive over all because your looking at not only the LA Armor but a greater amount of pots required to complete any given quest. Is this what I am seeing in your response?0 -
i never considered LA myself i spoke with a few LA wizzies and they didnt like the wasted str stat. but at 75 i did add 50 Vit so that i could easily handle Gamma runs, although my gear was too refined i had to use TT-60 wep so i didnt take aggro and i had 2 garnets in it for extra health,but i already have my TT90 gear and once i hit 90 im restatting to take out the vit i had no problem as pure mag from 60-75.0
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