pre nirv wep
BadesElf - Heavens Tear
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well i've tried to calculate DPS using ecatomb and pwicalculator ...... but i wanna know if im wrong............whats better as a pre nirvana wep??
Gold FF daggers>> lv 12, so when u refine it u'll get some dmg + faith, and thats verry usefull when u solo BH or any boss.....isnt it?
TT80 daggers (Hook and Thron)>> hmm ya its the only interval wep b4 nirvana and hitman legend (35k rep) but in the end its lv 10.....so u might lose lots of dmg even if u refine.....maybe something without -0,05 but lv 12 will deal more dmg...wht do u think?
TT99 Finger of Corruption >> well i could say this wep has verry nice stats.......dex, p atack and pierce.....that means has a 30% chance to descrese p def....that might help when u solo a boss cuz of BP and same time in PK.....what do u think?
Conclusion: What i know till now is that FF daggers have highest DPS + faith, but FoC is verry verry close and have pierce too, so that makes it better......but Hook and Thron seems to have lowest DPS, not dmg.
Well if any of ya tried these wep..... could u answer meh pls? thx
P.S.: Best would be if u had these wep and u really know what are u talking about, thx b:bye
Gold FF daggers>> lv 12, so when u refine it u'll get some dmg + faith, and thats verry usefull when u solo BH or any boss.....isnt it?
TT80 daggers (Hook and Thron)>> hmm ya its the only interval wep b4 nirvana and hitman legend (35k rep) but in the end its lv 10.....so u might lose lots of dmg even if u refine.....maybe something without -0,05 but lv 12 will deal more dmg...wht do u think?
TT99 Finger of Corruption >> well i could say this wep has verry nice stats.......dex, p atack and pierce.....that means has a 30% chance to descrese p def....that might help when u solo a boss cuz of BP and same time in PK.....what do u think?
Conclusion: What i know till now is that FF daggers have highest DPS + faith, but FoC is verry verry close and have pierce too, so that makes it better......but Hook and Thron seems to have lowest DPS, not dmg.
Well if any of ya tried these wep..... could u answer meh pls? thx
P.S.: Best would be if u had these wep and u really know what are u talking about, thx b:bye
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I haven't really compared 99 green with TT80 since most people make 99 gold for recast. It's shown here that TT80 actually out DPS 99 gold even at +7. It's different with 99 green since the DEX and damage add-on as well as the debuff. I had FC gold and TT80 at the same time and I can tell you that TT80 and FC is about the same DPS at refine below 5 if the TT80 is added a second shard.
It also somewhat depends on your current interval gears. If you are at 2.22 base APS with TT80 or 2.86 sparked, you'll still have 2.86 sparked with 0.05 less interval with a base APS of 2.0, so having that -0.05 on TT80 wouldn't make a difference in your sparked APS and that puts TT80 much behind the other 2 weapons. In other scenarios where the -0.05 makes a difference in your speed, TT80 is fairly competitive APS wise. The damage per hit is not only made up by faster speed but also faster chi gain for more frequent spark.
I'd suggest sticking with TT80 if you want to save money and still have similar DPS, or try to find a pair of 2 socketed FC daggers. FoC has nice add-ons but it only leads to TT100 and ends up being a waste if you are going for first recast.0 -
thx a lot for infos
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Um, you should be going Crescent Thorn -> Bloodlusting Tongues -> Hook and Thorn -> Backbiter -> Barrier Thorn: Gutbreaker -> Barrier Thorn: Nirvana for obvious reasons.
As for whether to skip Backbiter and Barrier Thorn: Gutbreaker or not, that's up to you. The actual difference in DPS is small if you refine high, but obviously Backbiter and Barrier Thorn get more DPH.
However, you should also note that Hook and Thorn gets a higher bonus from pretty much anything that comes from off-the-weapon. It gets more damage from any +phys attack because it has a lower base phys attack and it gets more damage from -interval because it has a lower interval.
And here are some quick numbers off my pwcalc:
Hook and Thorn +5 2x Immac Garnet: 14,899 damage/s
Backbiter +5 1x Immac Garnet: 14,108 damage/s
Barrier Thorn - Gutbreaker +5 1x Immac Garnet: 13,708 damage/s
Unconsciousness +5 1x Immac Garnet: 13,848 damage/s
Hitman Legend +5 2x Immac Garnet: 18,026 damage/s
All the builds use otherwise the same gear, stats and level. As for the difference in sockets: Hook and Thorn is G10, so it gets second socket for 100 socket stones, whereas Backbiter, Barrier Thorn and Unconsciousness are of higher grade and take at least 1,000 socket stones, which makes the upgrade way too expensive and not worth it. Hitman Legend is always 2 sockets.
Oh, and the numbers are without Demon Spark. Though, Demon Sparking would favor Hook and Thorn and Hitman Legend even more.
As for how Barrier Thorn and Unconsciousness suck so much: They have no +phys attack or +dex mods, so obviously their DPH is ****.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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Jfyi, pwicalc doesn't calculate DPS properly and DPS isn't that hard to figure out by yourself. Not flaming or anything, I'm just saying.Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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well ya hitman legend is a verry nice wep. 2x p atack n interval but.....on Heavens Tear rep is like 80-90mil if u dont farm, and signs 100mil.....so for almost 200mil u can just get nirv wep....but idk if it better.
And i know u cant calculate DPS using PWicalculator because at TT wep (for sins) its buged, it shows grade 0, and min dmg is buged too. Thats why i calculated average damage using ecatomb and than used calculator for atack rate :P0 -
hitman legend sucks, it requires rank 8 in order to make up for that lost .05. just go with the path obby stated kiddo, and you should see the best delivered results.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »Jfyi, pwicalc doesn't calculate DPS properly and DPS isn't that hard to figure out by yourself. Not flaming or anything, I'm just saying.
Um, if you're referring to the fact that the tideborn TT weapons are all G0, I know that. And believe me, I altered the weapons to match the stats.
And even without using any kind of math, the same results should be gotten by simple logic: Unconsciousness and Barrie Thorn suck because they have neither +patk nor -interval on them, Backbiter will have less DPS but more DPH than Hook and Thorn.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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if you wanna calculate damage:
(EQP+LVL) * (1+ dex / 150 + mastery)
eqp includes weapon min/max, garnets, p.atk mods, rings, etc.
example:lunar ring x2, immaculate garnet x 2, FCC dagger, 400 dex, level 100
(480+97+97+32+32+100)* (1+400/150+.75)= ~3701
(719+97+97+32+32+100)* (1+400/150+.75)= ~4757
(3701+4757) / 2 = 3729 * (1.25) [for ~25% crit] = 4661 avg dps.
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tearvalerin wrote: »if you wanna calculate damage:
(EQP+LVL) * (1+ dex / 150 + mastery)
eqp includes weapon min/max, garnets, p.atk mods, rings, etc.
example:lunar ring x2, immaculate garnet x 2, FCC dagger, 400 dex, level 100
(480+97+97+32+32+100)* (1+400/150+.75)= ~3701
(719+97+97+32+32+100)* (1+400/150+.75)= ~4757
(3701+4757) / 2 = 3729 * (1.25) [for ~25% crit] = 4661 avg dps.
That setup of yours is highly unlikely. Level 100 with a freaking 2 socket FCC weapon and only immaculates? That sounds like something an idiot would do. After all, a 2 socket FCC dagger isn't exactly common and making a 1-socket FCC dagger into 2-socket is far too expensive.
Also, I am not sure how you manage to get only 25% crit with 400 base dex and two rings with +3% crit each. That amounts to 26%, at least.
And btw, you forgot to multiply by the attack rate. So that's DPH you got there, not DPS.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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oh shut up, its just an example, nitpicky ****. its to walk one through how to do it, not 'get the most elite set up possible, then run the numbers.' real people dont compare +12 things, and have odd/crappy set ups; look around and be astounded how many sins wear tt90 green gloves.Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »That setup of yours is highly unlikely. Level 100 with a freaking 2 socket FCC weapon and only immaculates? That sounds like something an idiot would do. After all, a 2 socket FCC dagger isn't exactly common and making a 1-socket FCC dagger into 2-socket is far too expensive.
Also, I am not sure how you manage to get only 25% crit with 400 base dex and two rings with +3% crit each. That amounts to 26%, at least.
And btw, you forgot to multiply by the attack rate. So that's DPH you got there, not DPS.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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tearvalerin wrote: »oh shut up, its just an example, nitpicky ****. its to walk one through how to do it, not 'get the most elite set up possible, then run the numbers.' real people dont compare +12 things, and have odd/crappy set ups; look around and be astounded how many sins wear tt90 green gloves.
Well of course. Comparing +12 equipments in itself is kinda wrong. It does eliminate the factor of higher refines, but that costs you the effect of off-weapon patk, such as rings. I came to that realization after I played around with different ring setups on my sin and got results that were different from what I had gotten on an Archer. And the reason was also obvious: sins have less DPH than archers, so rings with higher DPH will actually be better. And this was comparing Attendance Ring: Perfect and Ring of Heavenly Lord and the latter was barely superior.
And I figured I might as well point out the things you were missing, before some poor random comes and goes "LOL SEE UR NUMBERS ARE TOTALL OFF U SUCK!" and I'd have to spend the next 10 posts explaining it.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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hitman legend req. rank 6, not 8 :P0
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Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
And here are some quick numbers off my pwcalc:
Hook and Thorn +5 2x Immac Garnet: 14,899 damage/s
Backbiter +5 1x Immac Garnet: 14,108 damage/s
Barrier Thorn - Gutbreaker +5 1x Immac Garnet: 13,708 damage/s
Unconsciousness +5 1x Immac Garnet: 13,848 damage/s
Hitman Legend +5 2x Immac Garnet: 18,026 damage/s
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Well to that extent just a heads up, the damage variable you're making still doesn't quite add up to real play as I have a friend with -.05 interval ahead of me using the hook and thorn. Same setup other than that, though I use the Unconsciousness for the 10% leech. I hold aggro over him w/o any issue at all with a +3 refine vs his +7. To the extent of which I can demon spark, demon subsea (back to 0 chi) and still manage to maintain aggro with the loss of a spark in between.I can see what you see not,
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you didnt bother to read his whole post. he said that you need the extra -0.05 interval from rank 8 to make up for the loss with hitman legendsBadesElf - Heavens Tear wrote: »hitman legend req. rank 6, not 8 :P
you didnt bother to read either. there are some cases where -0.05 interval doesnt do jack to your atk speed sparked. for example 1.43 and 1.54 atk speed unsparked result in a 2.0 atk speed demon sparked or 2.0 or 2.22 unsparked result in 2.86 atk speed demon sparked. since tt80 daggers are lower grade what exactly do you expect at same atk rate?Sneakret - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well to that extent just a heads up, the damage variable you're making still doesn't quite add up to real play as I have a friend with -.05 interval ahead of me using the hook and thorn. Same setup other than that, though I use the Unconsciousness for the 10% leech. I hold aggro over him w/o any issue at all with a +3 refine vs his +7. To the extent of which I can demon spark, demon subsea (back to 0 chi) and still manage to maintain aggro with the loss of a spark in between.0 -
Sneakret - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well to that extent just a heads up, the damage variable you're making still doesn't quite add up to real play as I have a friend with -.05 interval ahead of me using the hook and thorn. Same setup other than that, though I use the Unconsciousness for the 10% leech. I hold aggro over him w/o any issue at all with a +3 refine vs his +7. To the extent of which I can demon spark, demon subsea (back to 0 chi) and still manage to maintain aggro with the loss of a spark in between.
Um, and what's the point you're trying to make?
Who says that aggro represents damage dealt at a 1:1 ratio? Considering stuff like heal aggro and Shadow Escape resetting aggro, I'd like to think of aggro as a rather bad representative of damage dealt.
I'm not saying that everyone should be using Hook and Thorn until they get to 100 and make it into a Barrier Thorn: Nirvana. I'm also not saying that everyone who doesn't plan to get Nirvana should get Hitman Legend.
In fact, I can think of at least a few scenarios where I'd pick my weapon based on something other than DPS. For example, when AOEing, I'd pick my weapon based on the DPH without taking into account crit%. On the other hand, if I happened to be the designated tank, I'd probably pick a weapon with a proc that increases defenses, such as Ghost Cry Thorn. On the other hand, in a situation where I don't have a cleric to purify against a boss that does regular debuffs, I might prefer Rampager Thorn: Sunstorm for the purify.
Personally, if I had to pick a TT90 and a TT99 weapon to use, I'd pick Jade Plume and Nigh Murder. This is because the other modifiers are +vitality, +crit% and a phys def debuff. Out of those, the crit% and the debuff are inconsistent, though the debuff probably gives the highest damage when it procs. The +vitality isn't really a factor as it's such a small amount.
If I had to pick a realistic endgame weapon, I'd put them in this order: Barrier Thorn - Nirvana > Hitman Legend > Nigh Murder > Unconsciousness > Barrier Thorn - Gutbreaker. That's an order of superiority, in order of accessibility it'd definitely be Nigh Murder > Barrier Thorn - Gutbreaker > Unconsciousness > Barrier Thorn - Nirvana > Hitman Legend.you didnt bother to read either. there are some cases where -0.05 interval doesnt do jack to your atk speed sparked. for example 1.43 and 1.54 atk speed unsparked result in a 2.0 atk speed demon sparked or 2.0 or 2.22 unsparked result in 2.86 atk speed demon sparked. since tt80 daggers are lower grade what exactly do you expect at same atk rate?
Indeed, there's also the matter of possibility getting the exact same attack speed, in which case Hook and Thorn falls short due to lower DPH.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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Sneakret - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well to that extent just a heads up, the damage variable you're making still doesn't quite add up to real play as I have a friend with -.05 interval ahead of me using the hook and thorn. Same setup other than that, though I use the Unconsciousness for the 10% leech. I hold aggro over him w/o any issue at all with a +3 refine vs his +7. To the extent of which I can demon spark, demon subsea (back to 0 chi) and still manage to maintain aggro with the loss of a spark in between.
Wear the exact same armor and jewelry with the exact same bonuses, then try again. I'm not saying the results will be any different; I'm just saying that there are more factors to dmg than your weapon and aps alone.Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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BadesElf - Heavens Tear wrote: »hitman legend req. rank 6, not 8 :P
as he said if youd' read, hitman legend require rank 8 (chest piece) to make up for the lost -.05. because the chest has -.1 int instead of -.05 like it's lower counterpart0 -
Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »as he said if youd' read, hitman legend require rank 8 (chest piece) to make up for the lost -.05. because the chest has -.1 int instead of -.05 like it's lower counterpart
Lmao, ironic posts are very ironic. Does nobody read? He already told him here:you didnt bother to read either. there are some cases where -0.05 interval doesnt do jack to your atk speed sparked. for example 1.43 and 1.54 atk speed unsparked result in a 2.0 atk speed demon sparked or 2.0 or 2.22 unsparked result in 2.86 atk speed demon sparked. since tt80 daggers are lower grade what exactly do you expect at same atk rate?0 -
yes i know about rank top n rest........just didnt undertand first post....my fault lol b:shockedb:surrender
Btw.....since 5aps sins using daggers are verry expensive.......what do u think about 5aps sin with decides?0 -
You will have greater APS, but less DPS due to lack of the ability to use Dagger Devotion.BadesElf - Heavens Tear wrote: »Btw.....since 5aps sins using daggers are verry expensive.......but what do u think about 5aps sin with decides?Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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yep........but in the end using 2x TT99 LA, 2x TT99 HA, interval cape, rank arrmor...... and lets say a cheap wep......hmmm maybe FF or some TT daggers without interval, sparked will be 2,86 aps...........and using same gear and decide 5aps.......thats almost twice lol.......but decide's damage isnt half of daggers damage.......so might deal more dmg. In the end that might help in a TT or BH when u solo/tank and maybe in pvp too....? something like.....stealth spark sleep paralyse decides........idk its just an opinion.
And be4 some1 reply about dex u lose adding at str its not to much -,-
- interval cape 7 str
- warsoul helm 6 str
- TT99 belt 7-8 str
- and maybe 2x band from heaven jail rings only for decides
and its enough.....or maybe a str tome? o.O idk +/- anyways u need 117 for warsoul helm + 6= 123........+/- 23 dex doesnt mean to much0 -
There is the advantage of permaspark with 5aps. You may not be as powerful as you could be, but I certainly do not see it as something that would **** you up.Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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