Sage bids question.....

40% it is.

13% would be a waste of sparks and time.

Be wary that statistically, while expecting a crit on BIDS, you only have 15% more crit rate. The reason is that only 50% of the time you get the 30% boost, so when expecting a crit on BIDS itself, it only has 15% more.

This does not apply with spells after it though, since when you see the buff, you know it's 30% more crit already.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Be wary that statistically, while expecting a crit on BIDS, you only have 15% more crit rate. The reason is that only 50% of the time you get the 30% boost, so when expecting a crit on BIDS itself, it only has 15% more.

This does not apply with spells after it though, since when you see the buff, you know it's 30% more crit already.

If you using it on a single target (like to bypass a charm) then yes it may as well be 15% more crit. However.. I do think that the way it is written/works is better than simply adding 15% crit for 10 seconds. When that crit buff procs.. its like god mode in any form of mass pvp (not only for the ulti, but anyone else u atk in the next 10 secs).

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

The more targets you have, more likely to crit on at least one. However, to expect to crit on all of them is much lower than critting on a single target (i.e much lower than 15%+crit%).

Let's assume your base crit is 10% thus BIDS making you expect 25% on a single target. Suppose there's 4 targets now. You'd expect, on average, to crit on 1 of them. (25% out of 100% is 1/4)

To expect to crit on exactly one, I believe it's 75%^3 * 25% (3 of them no crits 75%, 25% crit on one), so 10.546875%. To crit on exactly 2 of them, 75%^2 * 25%^2 = 3.515625%. To crit exactly on 3 of them, 75% * 25%^3 = 1.171875%.

To expect a crit on all of them it's a 25%^4 so 0.39% chance... on the other hand to expect no crit at all, it's 75%^4 so around 31%.

To expect a crit on at least one of them, there's a 68% chance.

Did I get the math right? b:surrender

don't know.. honestly don't really care. I loved calculus when I took it, I love math in general.. but for practical applications. I don't really spend the time doing math for the sake of doing math.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

don't know.. honestly don't really care. I loved calculus when I took it, I love math in general.. but for practical applications. I don't really spend the time doing math for the sake of doing math.

ADROIT!!! Borsc is my personal wizzie mathematician. Whenever I have a wizzie math problem, he's got the anwer, so you be nice to him.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Let's assume your base crit is 10% thus BIDS making you expect 25% on a single target. Suppose there's 4 targets now. You'd expect, on average, to crit on 1 of them. (25% out of 100% is 1/4)

Ok, just got sage bids last night (YEA!!!!) and I have a few questions. My suspicion is the answers to the underlined questions are:

1. No.
2. No.
3. No.

1. Can you get the crit bonus from sage bids if bids itself doesn't crit?

It is not possible that bids procs the 50% to add 30% crit, but then bids itself doesn't crit, is it? In other words, if you don't see bids crit, there is no sense going out of your way to spam skills for the next 10 seconds, right? I think that's what I've seen here, but I just want to make absolutely certain.

2. If sage bids does crit, does that definitely mean you definitely have the added 30% crit for the next 10 seconds?

In other words, is it possible sage bids crits based on just your original crit rate (10% in our running example) and therefore you WOULDN'T have the additional 30% crit for 10 seconds?

3. Does sage bids give you a 50% chance per target to get the 30% crit bonus? (as opposed to only 50% chance per each casting of the skill)

If you do have, say, 4 targets, do you get a 50% chance on each target to activate the additional 30% crit for 10 seconds? So that if you have 100 targets, you will definitely get 30% crit for the next 10 seconds.

BLOOD, I'm assuming you've never seen the crit buff that pops up when BIDS does proc. Go watch one of my videos and you'll see about half the time that blue and white icon that shows I have extra crit. Sometimes it'll pop up, but I won't crit.. sometimes I crit w/o the crit buff. And its 50% chance to increase crit per cast (not per target).

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Awwwww, I hate those icons. They are sooooo tiny and I look away and thats when the archer comes, qq

So here's another - other arcane and light armor targets, use bids because of the crit hit power or still use BT for physical damage? Still BT for arcane targets but bids for LA?

I kinda switch half and half with clerics and psychics.. but most everything else I use BIDS. Wizards with decent gear can easily have the same pdef as mdef (or at least somewhere close), and a BIDS crit should do more than 50% damage to anyone thats even remotely close to your gear range. You should also keep in mind that BT + genie spark = amazing combo, but if you aren't using genie spark, BT gets half the benefit from undine.

Re-reading what I just wrote, its not really as cut and dry as I just made it seem. It just depends on the situation and whatnot. Most wizards I'll use BIDS, but I've switched to BT for a few that don't have much pdef gear (missing cv rings/def belt etc etc). It could also switch the other way for someone that tries to expel the BT, or save their ele shell for BIDS. I've also had a problem overusing BIDS and seen a few people out there get oxygen bubble, which obviously is a good reason not to use BIDS :P Just depends on the situation.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Spark was the first genie skill I got a looooong time ago on my first wiz and everyone said it was fail so I stopped using it and now I'm toooooo addicted to cloud eruption.

Other than pyro and apoth (which apoth I usually save for defense), how do you get chi without cloud eruption? Maybe I have to make a TW genie with cloud eruption and one without it for 1 vs 1 pk, idk.

I hate my 65/100 genie b:angry

get chi with chi skill, ele shell, spamming pyro gush. Ofc sage distance shrink, BT, MS all cost half the chi of the lvl 10 versions (on average), so that helps me keep my chi up after I have some. So I get a base 80 chi per minute with chi skill + ele shell, and then get 15chi per cast of pyro/gush (and if pyro procs get a total of 45 chi from one skill). It's kinda hard to explain, I just pvp like I normally do and look up and I always seem to have chi.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

No elemental shell either, qq.

Isn't elemental shell expensive? Maybe I should just use that coin to get the next 81 LP genie I find?

its a 79 skill, should be relatively cheap