HellDuke VS Glacial Walker

Amurora - Heavens Tear
Amurora - Heavens Tear Posts: 111 Arc User
edited October 2010 in Venomancer
So, I recently caught both, though I have leveled my Glacial Walker up and gave the other to a friend, I was trying to get her to level him up to the same level so I could compare the stats but that didn't work.

So I was curious, which is better in the long run. I've seen a lot of the walkers around and fewer dukes. I do believe the dukes are quicker than the walkers (not sure about that)

Is it best to stick with the Walker?


And on another note: If someone could tell me a good flying pet around my level (even if it's ahead I can get it later but not over 40 please) because I have no idea when it comes to the flying pets
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  • _Nyasia_ - Sanctuary
    _Nyasia_ - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Personally, i would stick with the walker because it is the best over all tanker after the herc.

    As for flying pet, tbh, if you can lvl up a sawfly, it'll be very nice. it has very nice attack so you can rip through mobs very quickly. the only thing bad about it is it's low hp and def. but if you want a flying pet around your lvl, there is a foxwing at lvl34 around heaven's tear, close to the pterosaurs. it has crappy attack though, so i'm not sure about it's tanking ability.

    that's just my $0.02 worth, i'll let other more experienced people elaborate.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    judging by their stats, the hellduke seems more similar to the dark wanderer than the glacial walker. (except that the wanderer is strong against physical hits, the hellduke more against magic.) either of them seem to be more in the way of damage dealers than tanks; the glacial walker, of course, specializes in tanking. wouldn't surprise me if the hellduke is quicker than the glacial walker; most pets are, the walker's a sloth.

    at 34, you've outleveled the cloud skatefish by a little but can still catch up. it's comparable to the sawfly, but looks better. Nyasia mentioned the foxwings; i'm unsure how good flying pets they really make, i don't see too many people using them. haven't tried them myself, though, so it's an idea. in the general vicinity of heaven's tear there are also a number of other wasp-like flying mobs that are tameable, and IIRC they're in the 30-something level range; i have seen people using those occasionally.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The wasps by Heavens Tear are 2x, for 3x wasps, go by Allies Camp.
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/1704 , looks like sawfly but is a bit more light in color . closer to ur lvl with good magic defences , average defence and attack a bit lower than sawfly's ( so it has traded a bit attack and defence for magic defence , and that's not that bad since most flying mobs use magic for 1-2 hits then turn to physical).

    Foxwings have crappy attack crappy dfence , average magic defence and crappy HP.
    overall not a powerhouse pet but still can do the job

    but it's ugly b:cry.

    hope i helped b:thanks

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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The Ebony Hellduke seems to be a decent dps pet, although unlikely to be as good as the Wanderer. Also, it's got mag def as its strong defensive stat unlike the Wanderer's heavy focus on phys. The Wanderer is probably the better choice amongs the two although the Hellduke does seem worth leveling.

    As for the flying pet i agree with Lennie, your best bet is probably to try to catch up a Skatefish. I will say however that unless you PvP a flying pet is hardly worth it and you may be better off just taming something close to your level whenever you need one. Foxwings are traditionally a more ressilient choice than bugs with a lower dps output, if you'll be going for one it will likely be to ditch your previous pet for a higher leveled one all the way to 60, then wait for the Elyssium Fowl at early 7x.
  • Amurora - Heavens Tear
    Amurora - Heavens Tear Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Thank you, I will definitey keep the walker and just not waste my time getting a Duke and leveling it up.

    From what you guys have said I'll stay away from the foxwing and try to find the other. I just really suck in the air haha and I have quests that I have to fly for or they're on the moutain side where I can't summon my walker. And I die too fast to really do anything.

    Thank you guys for your input ^^
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  • Xaeria - Dreamweaver
    Xaeria - Dreamweaver Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I wouldn't say leveling a Duke (or a Wanderer) is a waste of time, because as you level up, a DPS pet becomes more and more handy. Until you get a herc, you'll most likely not be tanking in same-level squads anyways, so a DPS pet helps with the boss more than a tank like the Walker. As well, the best DPS pets (scorp and Wanderer/Duke) both start at very low levels, so if you wait until you really need them to level them, it'll be frustrating and take a very long time. I leveled my Wanderer when I was in my late 40s/early 50s, and it was boring as nothing else.

    Though the Wanderer has less HP than the Walker, its phy def is still very good, so you shouldn't have trouble using him as a tank. Though, if you keep an air pet like the Sawfly or the Skatefish leveled, you can use those as DPS pets when grinding, though they're a lot more fragile than the Wanderer.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The level 34 Foxwings are the best and can take with stand lots of damage.They are realy good vs wood mobs.
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  • Zairi - Dreamweaver
    Zairi - Dreamweaver Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I personally use a Dark Wanderer and a Glacial Waker.
    I think that haveing a dps pet and a Tank Pet in my Bag ready to use makes me way more valuable in a party.
    It might look hard to keep all the pets leveled but later it will get easyer since you level slower.

    If you grind alot for drops like i do leveling the Pet is not so bad as i felt it was at the 20-50ish levels.
    You might want to keep both. I can tell you haveing a late change of mind and leveling a pet from scratch to 70 is worse (yes in lower levels i though i will only need one air, ground and water pet...). ;-)
    Its realy worth the time.
    On the other hand the GW base attack isnt exactly crappy but due to the fact that you can only put 4 skills on each pet useing only one will strongly limit your flexibility.
  • Amurora - Heavens Tear
    Amurora - Heavens Tear Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Hm, well, I need more pet slots xD I have two right now which was my GW and some flying pet I tried before I posted this which kinda worked ... (not really) But that is beside the point

    I will probably go get the Duke and level it up then fight it with a monster then compare that to my GW just to get a feel, because I've always used Tanks (Crystal Mag before this and I dont even know before that) So I guess I was just iffy switching to a different type / not sure how it works.

    Thank you everyone for your input. Definitely a lot to think about haha.
    But yeah, I can't imagine being way above my pet and leveling it up. I only had to get my GW from 19 to 23 which seemed like a chunk of time. I can't imagine being 30+ levels up. Good thing the pets level faster than the characters.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    You could always get the mats for the other slots to increase your pag.it is best ot keep both pets in your bag and you want a water pet as you are getting close to do quests to kill sharks.
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  • Zairi - Dreamweaver
    Zairi - Dreamweaver Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    You can get more "free" Pet slots. There are, after the hay quest, 2 more Quests for more Petbag space. One needs 50 Fruit and the other 50 Fungi. Since the Fungi start dropping arround 70 and the fruits i think arround 40 (not sure) you can always check the AH once a day. Sometimes you see those selling lower then usual and it can get you a Pet slot for ~300k which is cheaper then buying the gold and getting a Cage.
    Collecting pupular Materials like Wood, Iron, etc. whenever you pass them and selling them at the AH is a nice extra drop of money depending on current price.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Actually it's 100 fungus, not 50.

    Getting 50 fruits is cheaper than buying gold and then the cage. Personally, I had the patience to farm those 50 fruits alone. I started with the lvl38 chislers(whatever that name was...) south of angler's village and moved to the flying mobs south of City of the Lost. I guess you could farm half of them and buy the rest to save time but for the fungus, you better buy the cage instead. Either way, the 50 fruit is quite easy to get.
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  • Zairi - Dreamweaver
    Zairi - Dreamweaver Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Oh.. yep its 100x Fungus sorry. :/
    Depending on gold price it ma still be cheaper then a Cage tho.
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Getting 50 fruits is cheaper than buying gold and then the cage. Personally, I had the patience to farm those 50 fruits alone. I started with the lvl38 chislers(whatever that name was...) south of angler's village and moved to the flying mobs south of City of the Lost. I guess you could farm half of them and buy the rest to save time but for the fungus, you better buy the cage instead. Either way, the 50 fruit is quite easy to get.[/COLOR]
    Folks, any time there's a mismatch between the price of something with in-game items and the price of it through the cash shop, that's an opportunity to make or save yourself some money. But the price of 1 gold correlates to a certain amount of time spent grinding for coin off mobs which drop lots of loot. If you then spend that time grinding instead for fruit on mobs which don't give you as much loot, you've thrown away that opportunity. If it's taking you longer to collect the requisite amount of fruit, you might as well have gone grinding for coin, converted it to gold, and bought the cage.

    I understand some of you like to grind for these things because that's how you pass your time in the game. You get a goal to collect something, and you like to collect it yourself. This post is not directed at you. It's directed at the folks who think they're saving money by grinding for the fruit or fungus themselves (hay is valuable enough it's worth grinding for if you're still near level 30). When you buy fruit from the AH or from a cat shop, the comparison is not between spending the money for the fruit and not spending the money for the fruit. The correct comparison is the time spent to gather the fruit and the time spent to buy the fruit and make back the money.

    Whether you grind for fruit, grind for coin, grind for coin and buy fruit, grind for fruit and sell it for coin, it's all the same thing. The only thing that matters in the end is how much time you spend grinding, and how much fruit (dropped or bought) and coin (dropped or received from sales) you get for it. At 6pm you started with 0 coin and 0 fruit. At 8 pm you have 400k and 50 fruit. Exactly what you did between 6pm and 8pm to acquire that coin and fruit doesn't matter. All that matters is that 2 hours have passed and you have 400k and 50 fruit more than you started with.

    Fruit is usually pretty cheap, the mobs which drop it are difficult grinds or don't drop enough loot (or both) to make it worthwhile. Your time is generally better spent grinding on easier mobs, selling the drops, and buying the fruit. (There's a whole other issue of cooperative teamwork and efficiency I could get into. To keep this short, I won't expand on it. But it too says that on average the players on the server are better off if you buy the stuff you need from other players, and sell what you don't need to other players.)

    Same goes for fungus - find out how much 100 fungus would cost to buy from AH/cat shops, compare it to the cost to buy the gold for a cage, and that will tell you which is cheaper. I haven't checked it in the last 3 months, but every time I've checked it before then, it was cheaper to buy the fungus. Fungus generally drops from higher level mobs, so you'll probably be forced to buy it from AH/cat shops. But that's ok since that's much more efficient than trying to grind for it yourself.

    That said, if you're going to grind for fruit anyway, the easiest grinds are probably the cloudmelding vipions around level 40. They're non-aggro and have a pretty good drop rate. At level 50, the easiest source is the evolved vipions above hidden heroes village (near Etherblade). They are also non-aggro, there's a village below so you can safely drop from the sky any time you get into trouble, and an NPC for you to sell other loot is directly underneath them. Their primary disadvantage is that they're wood mobs so they take a bit longer to kill (hint: let the pet do most of the work while you go to loot the previous kill). But you won't be wasting time killing or running away from other random stuff which aggros on you.