Archers at endgame

Readen - Lost City
Readen - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
edited October 2010 in Archer
Hey. I decided to start playing PWI once again and I'm considering making an Archer. Transcend's videos made me do that as they are really great and show the power of Archer. I have some doubts thou, which, I hope, You'' be able to clear. So:

1) Some people say that Archers suck at endgame. How is it really?
2) Are Archers the best DPS-ers or do they lose that fight with Psychics and Sins?
3) Are Archers good against BMs and Barbs with magical atacks or should Archer focus on Arcanes?
4) Is Evasion useful thing?
5) Heard that Archers are masters of kiting. Are they?
6) Are Archers able to 1shot or is that rather a miracle?
7) Are Archers really one of best (if not THE best) class at group PvP/TW?
8) Do they have some chances in 1v1 against a Sin?

I'll be very thankful if You find a minute or two to reply.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    1) Some people say that Archers suck at endgame. How is it really?
    Its good for tw but developers show other classes alot more love.
    2) Are Archers the best DPS-ers or do they lose that fight with Psychics and Sins?
    sins have more damage but archer is still better than any caster
    3) Are Archers good against BMs and Barbs with magical atacks or should Archer focus on Arcanes?
    with a good weapon and jones blessing you can take down bms and barbs fine
    4) Is Evasion useful thing?
    no
    5) Heard that Archers are masters of kiting. Are they?
    Not more so than any other class with holy path. Demon venos are the best kiters. Sin stealth is better than any kiting.
    6) Are Archers able to 1shot or is that rather a miracle?
    You can 1shot with a highly refined weapon
    7) Are Archers really one of best (if not THE best) class at group PvP/TW?
    Yes
    8) Do they have some chances in 1v1 against a Sin?
    No
    I'll be very thankful if You find a minute or two to reply.

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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    Hey. I decided to start playing PWI once again and I'm considering making an Archer. Transcend's videos made me do that as they are really great and show the power of Archer. I have some doubts thou, which, I hope, You'' be able to clear. So:

    1) Some people say that Archers suck at endgame. How is it really?
    2) Are Archers the best DPS-ers or do they lose that fight with Psychics and Sins?
    3) Are Archers good against BMs and Barbs with magical atacks or should Archer focus on Arcanes?
    4) Is Evasion useful thing?
    5) Heard that Archers are masters of kiting. Are they?
    6) Are Archers able to 1shot or is that rather a miracle?
    7) Are Archers really one of best (if not THE best) class at group PvP/TW?
    8) Do they have some chances in 1v1 against a Sin?

    I'll be very thankful if You find a minute or two to reply.

    1. You'll suck without a +10 weapon.
    2. Sins and bms can easily out dd a traditional archer. And sins will still easily out damage a non-traditional archer.
    3. Do you have a +10/12 weapon?
    4. NO.
    5. NO.
    6. Do you have a +10/12 weapon?
    7. Do you have a +10/12 weapon?
    8. Do you have a +10/12 weapon?
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

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  • Readen - Lost City
    Readen - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    It doesn't sound good. What's the point of making archer then if it can be outdamaged easily and is so squisyh?
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    It doesn't sound good. What's the point of making archer then if it can be outdamaged easily and is so squisyh?

    Well... its not rare for an archer to walk around with a +10 cv. I only really play my archer for TW... anyone outside I'll switch to my sin. And hey... the current top guild in HT has the best archer force of the server by far. So aleast they are useful for something.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

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  • Lenore - Harshlands
    Lenore - Harshlands Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    It doesn't sound good. What's the point of making archer then if it can be outdamaged easily and is so squisyh?

    Try to go to TW with no archers and you'll easily see why they are still valuable in gameb:chuckle
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    Hey. I decided to start playing PWI once again and I'm considering making an Archer. Transcend's videos made me do that as they are really great and show the power of Archer. I have some doubts thou, which, I hope, You'' be able to clear. So:

    1) Some people say that Archers suck at endgame. How is it really?
    2) Are Archers the best DPS-ers or do they lose that fight with Psychics and Sins?
    3) Are Archers good against BMs and Barbs with magical atacks or should Archer focus on Arcanes?
    4) Is Evasion useful thing?
    5) Heard that Archers are masters of kiting. Are they?
    6) Are Archers able to 1shot or is that rather a miracle?
    7) Are Archers really one of best (if not THE best) class at group PvP/TW?
    8) Do they have some chances in 1v1 against a Sin?

    I'll be very thankful if You find a minute or two to reply.

    1. We hold our own with most classes if we have decent gear. TW is where we really shine, though.
    2. Sins outdo us, unfortunately. Meh.
    3. If there's anything Archers have on all the other classes, it's our versatility. We have something for every situation. Almost.
    4. No.
    5. We are decent. Elven Alacrity gives us a bit more of an edge than those who only have Holy Path at their disposal.
    6. Archers pride themselves in spike damage. Thus, one-shotting happens often.
    7. Definitely.
    8. If they miss more often than not, never crit, and are stupid enough to attack during WoG, yeah. Otherwise, no.
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    Hey. I decided to start playing PWI once again and I'm considering making an Archer. Transcend's videos made me do that as they are really great and show the power of Archer. I have some doubts thou, which, I hope, You'' be able to clear. So:

    1) Some people say that Archers suck at endgame. How is it really?
    2) Are Archers the best DPS-ers or do they lose that fight with Psychics and Sins?
    3) Are Archers good against BMs and Barbs with magical atacks or should Archer focus on Arcanes?
    4) Is Evasion useful thing?
    5) Heard that Archers are masters of kiting. Are they?
    6) Are Archers able to 1shot or is that rather a miracle?
    7) Are Archers really one of best (if not THE best) class at group PvP/TW?
    8) Do they have some chances in 1v1 against a Sin?

    I'll be very thankful if You find a minute or two to reply.


    1. Archers are kinda neglected by developers, so its not the most beneficial class to play. Most archers have rerolled sin by now.

    2. Sins and fist Bms have better dps. Caster have not.

    3. Not that big of a difference really. Arcane users have high phy def endgame and heavy users have high mag def. With a highly refined weapon you can kill both.

    4. No

    5. No

    6. I have played for 2 years and i have been 1 shot billions of times but NEVER by another archer. Even all the times ive been nailed by rank8 +12 bows Frenzy + Barrage all over me its never been a 1 shot because archers kinda lack heavy spike dmg. Its a ranged dps class in pvp. I mean you can 1 shot unbuffed players if you have a highly refined weapon and they have mediocre gear, but to 1 shot someone endgame you kinda need a miracle.

    7. Yes, archer and wizard is the best TW classes in my opinion.

    8. No
  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    not just ANY +10/12 weapon

    either r8 or nirv with good shards
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  • Readen - Lost City
    Readen - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    And how good are Archers compared to Wizards and Psychics? Cause I definietely don't wanna play meele class, Cleric and Veno and I'm thinking about those three.
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    And how good are Archers compared to Wizards and Psychics? Cause I definietely don't wanna play meele class, Cleric and Veno and I'm thinking about those three.

    Us compared to Wizards, they do better spike damage, but they cast slow most of the time and aren't incredibly effective against AA users unless they use BT. They use Robes so their Physical Defense is low, but it's made up with Stone Barrier. They're not very versatile and are strictly casters.

    Psychics are pretty much the same without the slow channeling. A good archer can still outdamage a Psychic, though.
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  • Readen - Lost City
    Readen - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yes, it's true that Archers are very versatile. But when someone is TOO versatile, he isn't very good in anything. OK, Archer has some Magic Attacks, but that isn't even clsoe to Psychics/Wizard Magic DMG. Sure that Archers have nice P.Atk. and are better against casters, but is seems to be the only really good thing in Archers.

    I think I'll choose Wiz after all, because of better Damage Per Hit and his ability to 1shot. Also, Archers are quite weak against Barbs and BMs (not mentioning Sins...) and casters deal with HA users well.

    Anyway, thanks for help, guys.
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Jack of all trades; master of none.

    I have no idea why this is used to describe BM's but it much better fits an archer. Being flexible is nice except for the fact flexibility basically means **** all endgame.
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Readen - Lost City wrote: »
    Hey. I decided to start playing PWI once again and I'm considering making an Archer. Transcend's videos made me do that as they are really great and show the power of Archer. I have some doubts thou, which, I hope, You'' be able to clear. So:

    1) Some people say that Archers suck at endgame. How is it really?
    2) Are Archers the best DPS-ers or do they lose that fight with Psychics and Sins?
    3) Are Archers good against BMs and Barbs with magical atacks or should Archer focus on Arcanes?
    4) Is Evasion useful thing?
    5) Heard that Archers are masters of kiting. Are they?
    6) Are Archers able to 1shot or is that rather a miracle?
    7) Are Archers really one of best (if not THE best) class at group PvP/TW?
    8) Do they have some chances in 1v1 against a Sin?

    I'll be very thankful if You find a minute or two to reply.

    1. Other class level 11 skills are better.
    2. Even barb 5aps outdamage archer.
    3. Barbs are squishy but have to high hp. Bms have more then 9k magic def so your metal damage would be like it on a cleric.
    4. Only Useful on BMs, Demon Barbs with +50% acc rings and demon bb never miss.
    5. I was the best kiter in all pwi on my old archer till i found out they suck at 90+.
    6. Even with +10 weapon you be able to 1 shot archer since an endgame arcane can have over 8k physical defense and like 15k magic def lol.
    7. Yes they are useful in TW only with a purge bow and level 10 or 11 barrage of arrows.
    8. Do you have 50+ defense level? no
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Okay;

    If you want the satisfaction of using strategy and adaptiveness to situations to win, Archer.

    If you don't have/don't want any skill and want to PvP, Sin.

    /thread
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    <thread>

    AND if you want REAL pvp play a different ****ing game.

    now /thread
  • Transcend - Lost City
    Transcend - Lost City Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    1) Some people say that Archers suck at endgame. How is it really?
    I enjoyed the challenge, but that's just my personality type.

    2) Are Archers the best DPS-ers or do they lose that fight with Psychics and Sins?
    Sins

    3) Are Archers good against BMs and Barbs with magical atacks or should Archer focus on Arcanes?
    Mix up your attack patterns so you time your most damaging skills as their charm is on cooldown, but I used both mag & phys attacks to take down BMs.. uber-geared Barbs (e.g. susamajii) are nearly impossible with the gear I had, maybe it's different with nirvana?

    4) Is Evasion useful thing?
    I'll say it is, but you shouldn't depend on it. It's a "nice to have" when you're on your last bit of health and shots that are supposed to kill you are met with a *miss*. Even when you have to sit there as a BM rails on you, the misses help a little in survival, especially when we have relatively low hp.

    5) Heard that Archers are masters of kiting. Are they?
    Kiting is highly dependent on your knowledge of class skills, your timing (I'm close to the servers, currently have ~31 ping to LC), and the mechanics of the game. I was able to anticipate some attack patterns and go into drop mode at the last possible second most of the time, which allowed me to keep the damage pressure on as long as I could.

    6) Are Archers able to 1shot or is that rather a miracle?
    I've never one-shot anyone that was 10x, unless it was a cleric. With blessing+nirv, it might be possible.

    7) Are Archers really one of best (if not THE best) class at group PvP/TW?
    It's fun :)

    8) Do they have some chances in 1v1 against a Sin?
    Against evenly-geared sins, probably not.
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  • Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear
    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,175 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Archers are fun, but they're not the best 1v1 lol unless you spend thousands on gear (:
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