Wizard section needs a new topic.

zomg I hit a Qingfu for 5,234,584,348 dmg.

How 'bout this for a topic: Wizards need some major upgrading to balance PvE and some instances/mobs that are only effectively killed by wizzies that are actually worth it to farm.

What would you suggest?

My opinion, endgame -interval bms and sins are able to solo TT because of their ability to interrupt, endlessly triplespark, tank a few hits, and deal insane amounts of dps to kill bosses in < a minute on some. Endgame wizards should get some gear/skills that lets them ramp up their damage per hit so they can 3-4 shot those same bosses. Maybe modify sutra so the sage/demon version modifies the damage of each successive spell increases by 100% times it's place in the sutra. So a pyro>gush>DP>BT sutra would do normal pyro damage, 2x gush damage, 3x DP damage, and 4x BT damage. I don't know if that would do it (can't be sussed to do the calculations) but it's a bit of a start. Either that or seriously nerf -int. I'd rather bring everybody up to the same level than nurf something somebody's worked months to get. It wouldn't overpower Pvp because endgame wizards can already 1-2 shot anything if they have full chi/apoth/genie and come across a disadvantaged foe.

I'd also like to see some weak hitting, low hp mobs that are resistant to phys, metal, wood, water and earth, and that drop well enough to make it worth it to grind on 'em. I'm rather sick of always feeling like a mooch because I don't really bring anything valuable to a squad. Make some good grinding essentially require wizards, and make sage/demon versions of the shields squad buffs as well.

Thrasymachus - Sanctuary wrote: »

How 'bout this for a topic: Wizards need some major upgrading to balance PvE and some instances/mobs that are only effectively killed by wizzies that are actually worth it to farm.

What would you suggest?

My opinion, endgame -interval bms and sins are able to solo TT because of their ability to interrupt, endlessly triplespark, tank a few hits, and deal insane amounts of dps to kill bosses in < a minute on some. Endgame wizards should get some gear/skills that lets them ramp up their damage per hit so they can 3-4 shot those same bosses. Maybe modify sutra so the sage/demon version modifies the damage of each successive spell increases by 100% times it's place in the sutra. So a pyro>gush>DP>BT sutra would do normal pyro damage, 2x gush damage, 3x DP damage, and 4x BT damage. I don't know if that would do it (can't be sussed to do the calculations) but it's a bit of a start. Either that or seriously nerf -int. I'd rather bring everybody up to the same level than nurf something somebody's worked months to get. It wouldn't overpower Pvp because endgame wizards can already 1-2 shot anything if they have full chi/apoth/genie and come across a disadvantaged foe.

I'd also like to see some weak hitting, low hp mobs that are resistant to phys, metal, wood, water and earth, and that drop well enough to make it worth it to grind on 'em. I'm rather sick of always feeling like a mooch because I don't really bring anything valuable to a squad. Make some good grinding essentially require wizards, and make sage/demon versions of the shields squad buffs as well.

please let this be a joke post

saying "well wizzies already 2-3 shot everyone" (they dont but the high damage skills can charm bypass) so lets just let them 1 shot everyone because that would not be broken at all

do you actually listen to yourself think?

do you think at all?

if it was a troll wtg

How about which other class skill would you trade BIDS for? b:laugh

5 aps close range DB affected by channeling? b:chuckle

Wouldn't break PvP if it was a new skill with 10s casting time. But then again, who would make melee classes if wizards would be able to farm as good as melee -int users?

My relative inability to foresee potential imbalances in endgame pvp notwithstanding, one must admit that the ability of -int bms and sins to solo endgame instances is at least as unbalanced on the PvE side as granting wizzies the ability to ramp up their damage so as to be able to one-shot virtually any amount of hp would be in PvP. After all, it's not as though there wouldn't be a way to survive such an attack at all, what with sparking and immunity pots and genies and such. And I thought PvP was largely dead anyway, what with the TW changes, and world pk reduced to gank parties. It's the imbalance in PvE that really gimps wizards, in PvP, they're largely balanced pretty well. Any class can kill a wiz if they catch it in the right circumstances, and a wiz can one-two shot any class in the right circumstances. What's the difference if a wiz can hit 500k damage in PvP in pretty narrow circumstances when 50k will kill anything that moves and is already fairly easy for a wiz to reach, provided he has the funds for the gear? Wizards are supposed to one-shot stuff. And that sort of pk overkill would make them far more useful in PvE, where the damage is x4 PvP damage.

I do like Kupuntu's suggestion as well though, to make -channeling gear apply to how often DB ticks, though I imagine that would get pretty expensive with mp use. Could you imagine ticking 350 mp 5 times a second? 20k mp would be exhausted in about 11 and a half seconds, dealing what, something around 14 or 15k damage per hit before resistances are figured in? So in that 11.5 seconds you'd deal a bit less than 900k damage on a mob with no fire resistance. You'd have to wear an mp charm to farm instances, and you'd have to tank the boss yourself, without the ability to spark, since nothing would be able to overcome the aggro that would generate. Even then, I doubt a wizzy could solo those same endgame bosses, since they'd have to tank the boss for about 30 seconds at least without being able to resist its attacks, and would have to deal with interrupts as well. I could see two wizards duoing those instances though, as they could ping-pong aggro and would kill the boss before it could do anything really nasty. Idk, I can see both positives and negatives of this idea. But I like the general direction of your thought, and willingness to think outside the box.

Edited to add another idea I had, playing off the idea that wizards are supposed to be glass cannons: Introduce a new lvl 100 attack skill, call it Elemental Fury. Single target suffers Earth, Water and Fire damage equal to base magic attack + 500% weapon attack + 100kish. Requires 3 sparks +99 chi to cast. Has a 15 second interruptable channeling time and a 3 minute cooldown. 25% chance for the wizard and squad members within 5 meters to die from backlash. Costs 100 million coins and 50 million spirit to buy. I'm guessing that such a spell would be sufficient to take down at least 1/2 the hp of the 3-x bosses in one hit if the wiz was fully buffed and the boss was fully debuffed, which would make them most welcome in normal farming squads. I also think that the long, interruptable channeling time, limitation to a single target, requirement of absolutely full chi, and chance of killing yourself and your nearby squadmates would severely limit it's usefulness in PvP.

Ok I understand we suck in pve.. thats been understood forever, but mages are still fairly balanced imo for pvp. If I even had half the changes you guys are suggesting, I'd be GM-like. I think we need subtle changes that affect mainly pve, pvp is fine.. minus sins.

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

Let me flip that logic around on you: Why would you ever roll Wizard if you knew that they got completely gimped PvE-wise endgame?

You don't just automatically one shot things once you hit level 100. That isn't how it works. You have to have above average gear to even scratch most players in a TW. When you're terrible at farming, that directly translates to:

A: Roll an alt, spend MORE time levelling it up to farm, then farm gear for two characters.

B: Alternatively, spend lots of money.

-interval is endgame easy mode. Minimal cash investment to get there, and then you can farm whatever you want. Wizards are the inverse. Tons of cash investment because you CAN'T farm whatever you want.

The only viable endgame casters are Clerics, and to a much, much lesser extent, Venomancers.

the same reason im rolling a wizzie for my pvp toon

to blow **** up mother ******b:angryb:angryb:angry

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

the same reason im rolling a wizzie for my pvp toon

to blow **** up mother ******b:angryb:angryb:angry

Well have fun levelling to 99 and spending a ton of cash on weapon refines and level 11 ultis. Without that you're not going to do much more than tickle endgame barbs and BMs.

PvP for fist BMs is as easy as Occult Ice -> Double click. You'll kill basically anything but the most OP barbs and even then you can **** them with more refines/tangling mire.

The only reason to roll a mage is for TW. If you don't TW frequently or just love mages, you'd be better served by rolling nearly any other class.

Occult Ice is a stun, not a freeze, despite what skill descriptions will tell you. Any competent BM will stun lock you until expel wears off.

I think I have a solution for the PvE thing: just make ranged DDs do full damage to ? bosses. Suddenly casters are viable PvE DD's, PvP balance isn't affected, and everyone's happy.

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

I think I have a solution for the PvE thing: just make ranged DDs do full damage to ? bosses. Suddenly casters are viable PvE DD's, PvP balance isn't affected, and everyone's happy.

lol seriously wtf? who said 5aps is balanced in PvP?

The only reason it appears that classes are balanced is because you don't get to auto-attack much. And because opponent can use immune skills. I mean seriously wtf, how can you all it balanced if the only counter to it is immunity? Doesn't that mean it deals TOO MUCH FREAKING DAMAGE???

It's not as broken in PvP because most of the time, again, you won't be hit by auto-attacks... however it doesn't mean it's not broken when you DO happen to get hit by 5aps.

Let me put this another way. When you can kill a stunned cata barb faster with 5aps by also receiving massive physical reduction than with a wiz... let's just call it imbalanced ok?

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

PVE - farming instances - with wizard are not even fun... its just frustrating, im a DD who deals **** damage? wth, i scam my squad by being in it

this >_>

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

change fow so that seal isnt cancelled when target is hit in the 5 s of spell duration

WTH are you talking about?
Seal does NOT end until the duration runs out, or the target get's purifyd.
The nice think about FoW is that your target will be sealed the full 5 secs, and no BM/sin with his fancy anti stun can do anything about it.

Sleep on the other hand, ends the moment the target get's hit (as they wake up)

Your mixing up 2 completly different skils

when you gonna get82?

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Can't say much for other servers, but most of the people on Lost City don't seem to think 5 aps classes are broken in PVP.

Again, just writing stuff here and spouting theory doesn't prove anything. Take a look at Haiz's videos. Take a look at Transcend's videos. They're both non-cashshoppers, both ranged classes, and they both aren't 5 aps. But they hold their ground against most people.

And just saying, I think it's broken as hell in PVE. But PVP isn't as straightforward as everybody makes it out to be.

Haiz and Transcend both played/made videos before everyone and their mom had 5aps, not to mention Transcend did put like $800 in, and Haiz had a private farming pt from what I hear where he was able to farm rank 8. You gotta have some really good friends to bring a mage along in HH/nirvana over and over.

Now I may be just emo right now from fighting Calvin all last night (easily one of the most skilled BMs on the server, not to mention amazing gear), but high aps is just disgusting. He does outgear me, but he was fighting uncharmed and was destroying me, over and over. He just kept me kiting so much I couldnt out DD his hp pots, and he somehow got a dew of star off between my sleep running out and MS stunning him.. every time. Even if I outgeared him, him throwing on a charm would basically stop me in my tracks. I would have no clue how to kill him. And all +12 nirvana gear wouldnt come close to saving me from him

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Ok I understand we suck in pve.. thats been understood forever, but mages are still fairly balanced imo for pvp. If I even had half the changes you guys are suggesting, I'd be GM-like. I think we need subtle changes that affect mainly pve, pvp is fine.. minus sins.

vs.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Now I may be just emo right now from fighting Calvin all last night, but high aps is just disgusting. He was fighting uncharmed and was destroying me, over and over. He just kept me kiting so much I couldnt out DD his hp pots, and he somehow got a dew of star off between my sleep running out and MS stunning him.. every time. Even if I outgeared him, him throwing on a charm would basically stop me in my tracks. I would have no clue how to kill him. And all +12 nirvana gear wouldnt come close to saving me from him

Who are you b:puzzled and what have you done with the real Adroit? b:scorn