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MANray_ - Sanctuary
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It recently came to my attention that a certain poster has been using his sig as means to bait and attack me. Is not that his is a particular offensive attack, it indeed points to the author's simpleton mentality, a trait that has for long characterized this user and whom i have no need to name, and will not in compliance with this forum's no shaming policy. But it is the cowardly nature of such a display that strikes me, especially as it is crafted in such a way so as to not so subtly defend him of any accusation, while at the same time making it perfectly clear who is it he means to offend.
Now, although i don't employ a sig myself, i have nothing but the utmost respect for people who choose to utilize such space, and this is exactly what brings me to a dilemma on how to proceed. Let's say i was to report this user for what is indeed a cowardly and lowly form of harrassment (since this attack will repeat itself everytime he writes a post) that i was to rat him out, so to speak. Action being taken upon him by the forum staff would likely become common knowledge sooner or later. This poses a problem as the precedent could lead others to seek censoring of opinions they dislike in the signatures of others. A special danger given they have been effectively utilized as a form of speech, as in the case of packs or some players being recently banned, which regardless of my opinions upon the particular message, is certainly a legitimate use of such spaces. My trying to retaliate in the same fashion does also pose this danger, apart from also being underhanded and distasteful to me, as no doubt this person would likely escalate and may even find suport from others to aid his cause. Flaming and baiting through the use of signatures is something that can quickly spiral out of control, and lead to unintended consequences for those making a legitimate use of this medium.
No doubt some will advice me to simply ignore it and walk away from this but this is something i'm simply not inclined to do. Likely this will become a proof to my wickedness and bad behaviour for some, but i will not. Tolerating such displays would only lead to further trouble for me down the line, as has been demonstrated in previous cases in which forum signatures have been used in such a way. And i can think of two perfectly good examples that ilustrate the consequences of posters allowing such behaviour. I have not allowed myself to be chased out of this forums by posters who at least had the courage to openly attack me, i will not certainly allow this from a coward. I would make an appeal for the poster initiating this attack to drop this childish pretense and to come and openly face me, in a manner of speaking, with whatever grievances he may hold against me, but realize his craven nature would prevent him from such a thing.
All the options on the table therefore seem to lead to consequences i find undesirable, and i may ultimately be forced to choose amongst the lesser of various evils. I do come to you for legitimate advice however, please make a note this is a legitimate issue regardless of what your opinion of me as a poster may be. I have already explained precisely why i would not want to bring this to the attention of the forum staff, or why i will not walk away from it, and and while you may advice to do so regardless (and indeed i may hvae to) i think there is a case for neither of these being an entirely convenient option.
Thank for your attention, and also i would like to bring to your attention that i may not be able to respond as fast as i'm usually able to, since i'll have to deal with some work related issues for the next few days, and may even have to be absent from the forums for a while. I'll be sure to check for responses whenever i get the chance.
Now, although i don't employ a sig myself, i have nothing but the utmost respect for people who choose to utilize such space, and this is exactly what brings me to a dilemma on how to proceed. Let's say i was to report this user for what is indeed a cowardly and lowly form of harrassment (since this attack will repeat itself everytime he writes a post) that i was to rat him out, so to speak. Action being taken upon him by the forum staff would likely become common knowledge sooner or later. This poses a problem as the precedent could lead others to seek censoring of opinions they dislike in the signatures of others. A special danger given they have been effectively utilized as a form of speech, as in the case of packs or some players being recently banned, which regardless of my opinions upon the particular message, is certainly a legitimate use of such spaces. My trying to retaliate in the same fashion does also pose this danger, apart from also being underhanded and distasteful to me, as no doubt this person would likely escalate and may even find suport from others to aid his cause. Flaming and baiting through the use of signatures is something that can quickly spiral out of control, and lead to unintended consequences for those making a legitimate use of this medium.
No doubt some will advice me to simply ignore it and walk away from this but this is something i'm simply not inclined to do. Likely this will become a proof to my wickedness and bad behaviour for some, but i will not. Tolerating such displays would only lead to further trouble for me down the line, as has been demonstrated in previous cases in which forum signatures have been used in such a way. And i can think of two perfectly good examples that ilustrate the consequences of posters allowing such behaviour. I have not allowed myself to be chased out of this forums by posters who at least had the courage to openly attack me, i will not certainly allow this from a coward. I would make an appeal for the poster initiating this attack to drop this childish pretense and to come and openly face me, in a manner of speaking, with whatever grievances he may hold against me, but realize his craven nature would prevent him from such a thing.
All the options on the table therefore seem to lead to consequences i find undesirable, and i may ultimately be forced to choose amongst the lesser of various evils. I do come to you for legitimate advice however, please make a note this is a legitimate issue regardless of what your opinion of me as a poster may be. I have already explained precisely why i would not want to bring this to the attention of the forum staff, or why i will not walk away from it, and and while you may advice to do so regardless (and indeed i may hvae to) i think there is a case for neither of these being an entirely convenient option.
Thank for your attention, and also i would like to bring to your attention that i may not be able to respond as fast as i'm usually able to, since i'll have to deal with some work related issues for the next few days, and may even have to be absent from the forums for a while. I'll be sure to check for responses whenever i get the chance.
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Hun...yes, I will recommend that you walk away and ignore, or at least PM a GM/mod about the issue...Bringing it onto the forums like this...is only going to cause more flaming. =xKatzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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I really wonder who it is. If it's a picture, I cannot know as I have blocked those with Adblock. And if it's text; there's only one person I know of with your name on his sig. He's a veno too. Do you mean him?100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Thanks for the advice, i do realize the topic can be flamey but i think i have explained my reasons for wanting to avoid options currently on the table. Right now i'm leaning more towards pming a mod with this, but i've explained what i see as the possible drawback.
And yes, the attack is on a pic. I know of only one poster quoting me, but i'm actually flattered by it since this is a helpful and constructive member of the forums.0 -
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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »And yes, the attack is on a pic. I know of only one poster quoting me, but i'm actually flattered by it since this is a helpful and constructive member of the forums.
I seriously have no idea who you mean but... No wait I have to confirm this first.
I suggest you just PM them first, then ask the GMs. They're just going to tell you first to PM that guy who has that sig.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »I suggest you just PM them first, then ask the GMs. They're just going to tell you first to PM that guy who has that sig.
I agree with Kupuntu there. You say this person is a coward who won't "face you", well... you've probably heard that saying, "If the mountain won't come to Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the mountain".
Go PM him, her or it about your concern on the signature, and see how that goes. If it doesn't change anything, then go ahead and PM the mods or a GM.
Have a nice day b:bye
PS: I hope you're not refering to my chinese spartan Q_QMadness?
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Good advice, Kupuntu and Zapaton, thank you, i will try that. Likely i'll be getting some insults back on pm but it can only help my case.
And no, i did not mean the Chinese Spartan. It's actually kinda cool0 -
what did we learn the last time you made a thread about being offended?
-dont do it and PM a GM.
all this does is bring the alleged offender into play, and incites a flame war.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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lololololololololol
I got your PM.
P.S Man =/= Man_Ray
lolololololol[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »lololololololololol
I better keep my mouth shut on this one.
Good to know 'who' it was though.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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It wouldn't be first time I've asked a player to remove a sig that was intended to insult another player.
My advice would be to PM me.0 -
This is a guide on how to make a mountain out of a molehill.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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This is the "insulting" signature:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?u=11910004&type=sigpic&dateline=1285420411
it doesn't even feature the OP, just someone who has a name that has 3 of the same letters.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain, I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."0 -
Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »This is the "insulting" signature:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?u=11910004&type=sigpic&dateline=1285420411
it doesn't even feature the OP, just someone who has a name that has 3 of the same letters.
Guess someone feels undeservedly self important, and attention deprived. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »lololololololololol
I got your PM.
P.S Man =/= Man_Ray
lolololololol
You sir, have made my day b:pleasedb:thanksMadness?
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »lololololololololol
I got your PM.
P.S Man =/= Man_Ray
lolololololol
whaaat
I've seen your signature a hundred times and never would have guessed it was about Man_Ray... what is this thread.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Evict is a sexy chalupa.
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Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »whaaat
I've seen your signature a hundred times and never would have guessed it was about Man_Ray... what is this thread.
What's even funnier is that it's not about him. b:chuckle100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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lol I know, I can't figure out why they ever thought it was.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Evict is a sexy chalupa.
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b:embarrass I'll be the first one to admit this to have been a blunder of epic proportions were this proven to be a case of my having become a tad too sensitive, and i will apologize, take back everything i've said in the OP (figuratively eat my own words) and accept in good sport the mockery of forum members if this is proven.
Rwargh; Your sig appears to be mocking someone (which may still mean it should come down) but in all fairness i will please ask you to relate how you obtained this screenie. If it would involve breaking this forum's shaming policy you can pm me the details. If this Man turns out to be someone real and a friend of yours i will admit the sig to be legit. Apparently posting this thread was not such a bad idea in the end, because had i gone straight to the mods not only would i have subjected you to unfair scrutiny, but would have myself unwittingly become guilty of making false allegations. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here.
And Frankie, thank you very much for taking the time to offer your assistance. I will send you a pm to ask for your help if it turns out i was not mistaken. I do believe in being fair and if i have publicly made an error, it is only fair that i publicly apologize.0 -
Don't worry about his sig. It's not photoshopped and Man has no issues with it.0
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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »b:embarrass I'll be the first one to admit this to have been a blunder of epic proportions were this proven to be a case of my having become a tad too sensitive, and i will apologize, take back everything i've said in the OP (figuratively eat my own words) and accept in good sport the mockery of forum members if this is proven.
Rwargh; Your sig appears to be mocking someone (which may still mean it should come down) but in all fairness i will please ask you to relate how you obtained this screenie. If it would involve breaking this forum's shaming policy you can pm me the details. If this Man turns out to be someone real and a friend of yours i will admit the sig to be legit. Apparently posting this thread was not such a bad idea in the end, because had i gone straight to the mods not only would i have subjected you to unfair scrutiny, but would have myself unwittingly become guilty of making false allegations. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here.
And Frankie, thank you very much for taking the time to offer your assistance. I will send you a pm to ask for your help if it turns out i was not mistaken. I do believe in being fair and if i have publicly made an error, it is only fair that i publicly apologize.
Wow, really? It has nothing to do with you or anyone you know and is therefore none of your business. He doesn't owe you any kind of explanation. lol[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Evict is a sexy chalupa.
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Well, i have to go, as i had stated on my OP i'm kind of busy today and will probably not be able to check on forums until late tonight or tomorrow morning. I have pm'd Rwargh to ask him to clear this up.
@Borsuc; I take it you're confirming the existence of this Man beyond being an alt made for this purpose and wonder if you could provide some details. I'm sorry if i seem distrustful but i'm no longer sure whether i'm being trolled or i'm trolling myself...
@Dyskrasia; You're absolutley right, he owes me no explanation if this is unrelated to me. The problem is that while this Man may well be a real player, he is not a regular poster in this forum, or at least not for the time being. This makes it easy to mistake the sig as a reference to me, and since i have not exactly had what you could call a friendly relationship with Rwargh up to this point, the confusion is not entirely unwarranted. I certainly do not mean to be unfair and this is why i have asked for an explanation. If it turns out i am wrong i will apologize for this mistake of course, but don't believe i have acted without reason. I did not name the person i was refering to in my post, it was Rwargh who outed himself, and were it true that there are no elements for other people to make the connection with me, he would have remained anonimous. Putting something on your siggy does make it a public matter, so to speak, and waves pretensions to privacy when there is reason for a mistake to be made, as it appears to have happened here.0 -
Don't worry about how I got it.
I would tell you but I'm sworn to secrecy by the CIA, I can tell you this though.
It involves ninjas, chuck norris, aliens, talking cows, Illuminati, and a secret so huge it would blow your mind and change your perspective on everything you ever knew.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain, I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."0 -
Man's posted on the forums. Just not so much in general discussion.
http://core.perfectworld.com//u/prancing[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Here you go:Man - Raging Tide wrote: »Lol wut b:chuckle
You can also do a search on username Man - Raging Tide and see for yourself b:bye
Edit: Or click the link on the post above XDMadness?
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XD
Man is very much a real member. He's the leader of QQme, both mine and Rawrgh's faction. I think what caused Man to respond that way to Rawrgh was on our faction forums, a lot of people (inc. Rawrgh) have screenshots of silly things people have said in our sigs. So he purposefully set himself up for the screenshot to be used in a signature...
Besides both having 'man' in your name, you also both mispell Rawrgh's name. xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Cupcake - Raging Tide wrote: »XD
Man is very much a real member. He's the leader of QQme, both mine and Rawrgh's faction. I think what caused Man to respond that way to Rawrgh was on our faction forums, a lot of people (inc. Rawrgh) have screenshots of silly things people have said in our sigs. So he purposefully set himself up for the screenshot to be used in a signature...
Besides both having 'man' in your name, you also both mispell Rawrgh's name. xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain, I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."0 -
I think this "Man" is humanity in general b:laughDemon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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you're not the center of the universe.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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