whats up with bh/fb51 lol

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary
NinnaXXX - Sanctuary Posts: 430 Arc User
edited October 2010 in General Discussion
i noticed most complaining threads are about bh51 is that like hard or something? i mean there are for sure harder instances. or is it more the cave where plp do the most unbelievable/stupid things? .-. b:sweat
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  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    combo of people doing dumb things to get parties killed, to the bosses being in super weird long orders. like backwards, wyvern->rankar->fushma. BH51 is obnoxious
  • NinnaXXX - Sanctuary
    NinnaXXX - Sanctuary Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    combo of people doing dumb things to get parties killed, to the bosses being in super weird long orders. like backwards, wyvern->rankar->fushma. BH51 is obnoxious

    now that you mention the order ,yea its kinda time taking i dunno i dont enjoy doing bh51 either caus something always ends up bad, dunno how it is for other plp thought
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  • miyago
    miyago Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    bh 51 is probably where the game first starts being difficult. Between the ninja mobs that patrol the instance, the patrolling bosses, the aoe's and wyvern have the damage increase attack, it really keeps players on their toes. It's easy for beginners to mess up and cause party wipes. Those are always lots of fun. :D
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I've had dozens of failed BHs because the messed up order screwed up things. Sometimes the walkers respawn and kill someone who is returning from delivering, sometimes people run out of time before you get to do more than one boss.
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  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    when im bored i go with some people doin bh there to get revenge on them sumbishes for killin me so many times when i had bh there. that place is squishy hell.
    b:bye
  • Gorwulf - Sanctuary
    Gorwulf - Sanctuary Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    the order thing is somthing i dont get with ppl, the other day i was helping a friend an couple more, and one of the barbs left coz we were going for wyvern and on the way i got attacked my fushy.. well he got killed then the barb left, cant remember well the name but was something like betha.. kinda lame thing coz the easy way is always start from the beggining lol
  • Silest - Sanctuary
    Silest - Sanctuary Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    This is both the easiest and hardest BH. Seriously, BH59, BH69 and 79(I've helped people with full 79 runs..) are a joke compared to 51.

    It's mostly because it is here you deal with walkers, and having to kill guardians to open doors. In 39, you dont have to do this if you wont to. BH51 isn't as straight forward as 29 and 39. Welcome to journeying into the unknown >_>.

    Here you could be fighting a boss and walkers approach. Here you have pyschics who are now on a new parallel of damage that rips aggro like no one's business and die every single time. You have a cleric who doesn't know a thing about BB or purify, despite having it. They have not had a REASON to use either of these til now. It's new, it's different - they have to fit in their playstyle.

    You must adapt.

    I've had to make an attempt to herc tank fus and rank at the same time - because the order was F'd up for everyone and fus was the "patrol" in the rankar area. And it only didn't work out because I had "veno-aggro" from fus from healing herc tanking rank. This is one reason why I hated 51 with a passion. If fus wasn't first, it's going to be a stupid run =/.

    Nevermind the Wyvern. This calls for everyone to try and pull all the mobs including wvyern. =/
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    well, stay away from non-stacked squads.
    the time loss is huge. I decided to do only stacked runs or fb51 on my cleric xD
  • Born_Free - Harshlands
    Born_Free - Harshlands Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    51 is one of those tests that puts all the people who THINK they want to continue playing to endgame and those who actually have the nads to go through with it through a living hell...but it definately weeds out those who are just taking out bandwith, particularly in the case of most F2P players.

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  • Tjikkie - Raging Tide
    Tjikkie - Raging Tide Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Don't understand it. Did bh51 about 10 times last week. Just a dungeon. Nothing worse or better then other dungeons. You know there are walking mobs, soo you watch the mini-map a little more.
  • Jhalil - Heavens Tear
    Jhalil - Heavens Tear Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yeah, I don't know what the balls people are talking about. BH51 is one of the easiest dungeons.
    By level 60 if people have not yet learned to stack BHs, they suck donkey balls. Not to mention that no mobs explode in this damn dungeon, so all the squishies survive when being near a dying mob.

    I hated, HATED the BH39 dungeon, not so much for my alts though since now everyone knows how to stack.
    But people complain(ed) about getting Wyvern > Rankar > Fushma. At least there was the OPTION to do those backwards, unlike getting Trioc > Calcid > Farren where you had to kill Calcid before getting to Trioc then reset and do calcid again and then go to farren. Add that to all the exploding mobs that has bound to have caused the cleric in some BH39 squad to die at least once in your BH39 days (Hell, it used to happen every other run when my BM was in his 50's :()
    Anyway, leveling my alts when I get to that BH I either try to get a stacked group and wine the **** (If you can't fork up 30k per person, stop doing BHs. Go grind or something) or just use another computer and wine it and do it myself. There's absolutely nothing easier than the 51 dungeon o:
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    why ppl say that mobs respawn in fb51? they do not respawn, they have a long time till next respawn. i took a nap in many instances, no mobs respawn, why would happen only in fb51. since the timer is there you wont even see them respawned. there are just patrols with long routes. if you want to have a safe bh51 then i suggest grouping only with people that have stacked bh's so you can do them in any order
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    39 is also pretty hellish, but 51 takes the medal simply because of the ninja walkers, nasty boss aoe's and wyverns amp damage abilities. 51 is also very rarely wined but the instance is very long and rather maze-like. Tons of phys and archer mobs means squishies (especially clerics) can drop fast if things go wrong or the tank misses agro on all mobs.

    29 is easy. One boss, 10 minute run. If you die, w/e the exp is easy to earn back at that level. Very often someone drags in a high level to solo this.

    59 is either wined (fb) or you simply pick and choose the path directly to your desired boss. Bosses are all magical meaning even an arcane can be tank. Very easy.

    69 is nearly always wined. While polearm is very tricky, the instance basically involves the bosses and no other challenges and is quick to do.

    79, also nearly always wined. More mobs this time and nasty archers, but bosses are all very simple tank-and-heal. Unwined stygean runs are about the only difficult thing here, but since they only involve a single boss, it's usually a quick run.
  • TheDutchman - Raging Tide
    TheDutchman - Raging Tide Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    why ppl say that mobs respawn in fb51? they do not respawn, they have a long time till next respawn. i took a nap in many instances, no mobs respawn, why would happen only in fb51. since the timer is there you wont even see them respawned. there are just patrols with long routes. if you want to have a safe bh51 then i suggest grouping only with people that have stacked bh's so you can do them in any order

    Not all mobs respawn, only the walkers.

    Anyway, think opinions about this dungeon are different. First times i went there it was difficult because you don't know the place. After a few times it becomes as regular and easy as any other instance. I like to join random squads and therefore end up in a fail squad every now and then. But really, that's just what makes this game fun to play, it's never the same. What's the purpose of playing a game if it is too easy??? No offense but go play card games like freecell or patience if you're afraid PWI is to difficult. Or buy a FPS and use cheats so you can't die. Back to the point, i think it's good to have more difficult dungeons where it's easy to make mistakes cause people learn best from their mistakes. And this gives us all a huge advantage compared too the Oracle/Hyper noobs at high lvls.

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  • TheDutchman - Raging Tide
    TheDutchman - Raging Tide Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Btw, about the wine, we probably all use wines in the higher bhs. But really, try them without. Will take you a while but it's a lot of fun b:pleased

    Problem is that a lot of people are to focussed on lvling quick, they only go there for the exp points. People should enjoy their quests and stuff more, and focus on getting matts and stuff for their gear. So many people quit the game at high lvls cause they don't have fun anymore. So please enjoy the moment!
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    when im bored i go with some people doin bh there to get revenge on them sumbishes for killin me so many times when i had bh there. that place is squishy hell.

    That's exactly it; all the mobs are either "tank" mobs, or magic/ranged mobs.
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  • Jodz - Heavens Tear
    Jodz - Heavens Tear Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    51 is one of those tests that puts all the people who THINK they want to continue playing to endgame and those who actually have the nads to go through with it through a living hell...but it definately weeds out those who are just taking out bandwith, particularly in the case of most F2P players.

    *Mouses over quest*
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    >.> "**** YOU."

    And you said "Yulk" sucks, yet he can easily tank there with no charm, no genie, as a 5x barb b:bye I find this so ironic. I thought you said you're a better player than him

    Didn't he show a screen shot of it too? Learn how to play. The people should pay attention to their buffs and distance.

    I soloed there with no herc at level 60+... lol. No herc, no nix. Just pure bramble hood, charm, debuffs and kiting, chi potions.

    bh51 difficult? lol. only thing to worry about is amp damage from wyvern which the cleric should just pop in purify. Learn how to play the game.
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    And you said "Yulk" sucks, yet he can easily tank there with no charm, no genie, as a 5x barb b:bye I find this so ironic. I thought you said you're a better player than him

    He could definitely could do it. However I'm pretty sure he'd get killed too if he was a 7x psy. b:chuckle

    Better player than Yulk? He's not a bad player (could be, but nothing says he is), just... too quick to announce his 'knowledge' of things he doesn't know about. Such as end game.
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  • Oneji - Heavens Tear
    Oneji - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yeah, I don't know what the balls people are talking about. BH51 is one of the easiest dungeons.
    By level 60 if people have not yet learned to stack BHs, they suck donkey balls. Not to mention that no mobs explode in this damn dungeon, so all the squishies survive when being near a dying mob.

    I hated, HATED the BH39 dungeon, not so much for my alts though since now everyone knows how to stack.
    But people complain(ed) about getting Wyvern > Rankar > Fushma. At least there was the OPTION to do those backwards, unlike getting Trioc > Calcid > Farren where you had to kill Calcid before getting to Trioc then reset and do calcid again and then go to farren. Add that to all the exploding mobs that has bound to have caused the cleric in some BH39 squad to die at least once in your BH39 days (Hell, it used to happen every other run when my BM was in his 50's :()
    Anyway, leveling my alts when I get to that BH I either try to get a stacked group and wine the **** (If you can't fork up 30k per person, stop doing BHs. Go grind or something) or just use another computer and wine it and do it myself. There's absolutely nothing easier than the 51 dungeon o:

    I have to disagree. Some players just run through the game and LEARN AS THEY ARE INFORMED.Not every new player asks questions nor even want to ask when something new like "I stacked my BHs today" is by somebody. I personally did even know about stacking BH's until around level 63 when I first heard somebody mention it.

    So I think your statement is a bit unfair seeing as how most players learn PWI by hearing about certain things.
  • ViciousKev - Dreamweaver
    ViciousKev - Dreamweaver Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Nothing is wrong with FB/BH 51. Only problems in there are for the people that ONLY BH, Hyper, Oracle, etc. to lvl. Those that know how to actually play there classes don't have a problem with it.
  • Oneji - Heavens Tear
    Oneji - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I used hypers, and I play just fineb:sin.