Fist BM Skills?

Choose another weapon, Fists suck at PKing.

But if you want to go Fist, then add 5 STR (for heavy armor), 4 DEX (for weapon) 1 VIT every two levels.

i gotta agree with lyndra abit , if u want to pk ranged classes spears and swords woould be better because
A. ranges classes WILL run and u wll need spike dmg and ranged atcks ( witch spears and swords have)

B. the stun only last 6 sec and 3 sec so they wont be still long enough for u to pound them , the stun lock only really works with an axe build due to the extra stun atckm and it hits pretty hard


i wouldnt say fist suck but i find the other wepons are simply bettter with the right build

Fist suck at PK'ing because simply they don't deal enough damage to pass through the Charm of the opponents, or even potions.

Archer's will just kite you and fly away from you, using a combination of Physical and Magical attacks, and since Fist BM's have little HP, you will just die.

Clerics will just sleep you, take distance, and kill you.

Wizards...everyone kills Wizards up to level 59 or so, then they start getting better, and you will need HP and high damage if you want to kill them, Fist don't have either.

Barbarians...just, lol.

Other BM's...it's PKing, anything goes, most have DEX so your dodge is useless, or the ones that have a VIT build will simply use powder to increase accuracy by 200-500% and kill you in a few hits.

Or the most funny scenarios: A couple days ago a Fist BM tried to PK me, he was higher than me, not much, maybe 2-3 levels, he was ticking me for 89's and a few 120's, while I was hitting him for 400-700...he just end up running and died to my Farstrike.

Venomancers...they are easy at low levels...wait until you're 6x+, and more if they are using Phoenix, they will just kill you.


The myth that Fist BM's are good against casters was made up when Fist users realized they would have so little HP if they tried to use Heavy Armor and their weapon, so they switched to Light Armor to get a little more of HP, kind of forced to.

And since they didn't had Heavy Armor, they got nerfed against meele users, so the only ones left to fight were magic classes. But they still have low damage, and their "anti-casters" skill, Shadowless Kick, has a significant cooldown of 12 seconds, so it's not that useful. Archers killed them easily with LA, since the key to beat an Archer at higher levels is a good amount of PDEF from Heavy Armor, combined with level 3-5 Marrow Magical.

It works at low levels, but when casters start getting more HP and more PDEF, and of course, way more damage, then Fist doesn't really has a chance against them.

Past level 68, when you max Roar, 6 seconds is not that godly when fighting other classes, 6 seconds is not enough to kill them, you can even use it 2~3 times, and the opponent hasn't gone down yet.

Nah, they have the highest attack rate of the game.

You beat me to it, they have a cool looking, except for their level 59 skill.

Also, they have the easiest path at HH weapons, since there're little Fists to choose from, making it easier.

They are also the easiest to gear up weapon-wise, since legendary molds for Fists/Claw cost from 100 to 400k or so.

EDIT: Also, they don't suck at PvE, it's just that they don't perform as good as other weapons, specially past 6x~7x where you go with AoE parties or solo AoE grinding.

Nayiro - Sanctuary wrote: »

true they are the cheapest, but fighting wise, according to you, they suck.
But honestly when I'm grinding all i do is double click, spark eruption/diamond sutra, MP pot every 10 mobs.

Also, how do they have the lowest HP if most people cap their vit at 50?

I put an EDIT on my las post :P

All I do- used to do when grinding is Aeolian Blade and normal attack, MP potion every time my MP ran out from using Heal+Aeolian, and I used heal every 4-5 mobs. Now I just use MP Charm and spam skills, since the money making lets me do it efficiently.

And they have the lowest HP, because Fist are not able to cap VIT anytime soon if they use Heavy Armor and Fist at their levels, since you can just add 1 VIT every 2 levels. If you go with LA, then you can have more VIT, but then you lose a lot of defense and damage, etc.

b:laughU Guys should show fist a lil more respect,fist users lay waste to all given the right buildb:angry

Fist BM's aren't really made for damage. They are made for dodging! Others might have a higher attack but the whole idea behind a FIST bm is too not get hit! :)b:laughb:chuckle

getsoped wrote: »

Whell, i'm just 23lvl fist Bm, but what can i say. Havent lost any duel.. (if i wont count duels agains 44lvl+ players xD) i use 1vit 2 dex 2str every odd lvl and 1vit 1str,3dex every even lvl. When mine vit reach 50, then i'll catch up with str to heavy armor. Fists pvp r best beucoze fast killing. U hit more, your chi gathers more, more chi faster spark, more strong skills. i wont regret fist BM and i will show, that fists is not the bad charr to make. If no1 made good, it doesnt means fists sucks, it just means they did it wrong way.

thats a pretty gud build but im guessing u dont have heavy which is way better with fist BM
u should do every 2 lvls 1 vit, 5 strength, 4 dex
therefore u can use a sword, fist, and pole arm at the max lvl u should b:victory

MistresShade - Sanctuary wrote: »

*yawn* You people still going on about fist BMs? Yes they are good at 1v1, not as good at AoE, not the best PvPers, at least until much higher lvls and great gear (lvl 90+ full +5 or better TT 90 green armors, and berserk buddah TT 90 gold fists at least +8). I have a couple friends on DW that are lvl 90 and just destroy people with fists, but their gear is to die for, and they still get owned by certain people alot of the time anyway. Fist is something you have to stick with and love to be able to get to the level where it really pays off. Its alot like being a wiz in this game actually XD People will tell you you suck but you just gotta ignore them.

U talkin about Pucker or Peenice? b:cute

I totally disagree. You should not use light armor as a fist user. You should use heavy armor.

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

Against casters you need to have your Alter Marrow Magical maxed and don't bother fighting Archers cuz you will get ****.b:victory

Don't do this, you will be immediately destroyed by any decent PKer. I don't do it since I started my new job anymore, but I was heavy into PvP with my cleric in the 7x-8x range against similar levels. Someone dumb enough to magic sutra will be razored/plumeshot. Wizards will hit you with Emberstorm. Venos just pray the nix hits ya

That's why people mostly leave it at around lvl 4-6 on mag sutra. Boosts what is there, without costing you too much on your phys def side. And with party PK, the phys def buffs will easily cover it while giving you enough mag def boost to weather both forms of damage. BMs have a higher amount of health anyways, though not as great if going LA.

Only reason people will actually contemplate maxing magic sutra, is for people going demon route upon actually getting the demon book for it. It justifies maxing with the reduced penalty while still giving a large boost in mag def.

Though depending on their gear, it may just make them weaker to the physical damagers while still leaving them weak against the arcane's heavy spike spells if you're talking LA and non-demon version. Really have to pay attention to whether it has an appreciable effect on your build all in all, to justify the gimping it gives ya.

I gotta Disagree with you there Lydura. Here in Heavens tear EVRY single BMs have Deicide (Lunar Claws) or Striking Dragon (TT99 Gold Fists). Most have Deicides and even barbs so for PK. I pk all the time and i saw so many BMs take out people in a matter of seconds with Decide Claws. (I know this is about Fist BMs but their damage and speeds are similar.)
Anyway, Fist/Claws Dont Suck in PvP or PK therye simply the best choice for alot of the bms for theire speed and damage, Even if you dont have deicides, you can get any(Good like TT and what not) Fists/Claws and weare something with -interval. But the skills SUCK so, you better have backup axes in your inv. ( all PK BMs here have Both Axes and Fists, for the speed and the Spike Aoes b:victory Well, that's just about all I can say Good luck with your BMb:bye