NPC vs Varden Beef

KingJoel - Raging Tide
KingJoel - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
edited October 2010 in Tideswell (East)
Well Im just curious to See show of hands Who think Which Faction will Win Sunday. I know theres a TW Saturday but the True TW is the 1v1 Sunday for Bragging Rights.. Plz Share xD

No Flamming Plz Just Answers
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  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I think Varden will win both
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  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    KingJoel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    True TW is the 1v1 Sunday for Bragging Rights..

    Strange.... Fuzzy's map shows 2 battles against Varden on Sunday. Maybe its broken... b:question
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  • KingJoel - Raging Tide
    KingJoel - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Not to disrespect u Fuzzy But I think U guys more times than none will Wine Levi's TW and just Face us 1v1. Again i could be wrong
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  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Or NPC could choose to face Varden 1v1 on Saturday....

    b:bye
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  • Uzuril - Raging Tide
    Uzuril - Raging Tide Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    KingJoel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    but the True TW is the 1v1 Sunday for Bragging Rights..

    I lol'd at this. So the day NPC gets attacked by more then one faction it doesn't count for bragging rights. But the day Varden gets attacked by more then one it DOES count.

    Logic, there is none. xD

    I agree with Fuzzy, how about have NPC attack Varden 1 v 1 Saturday.


    btw. Varden ftw.
  • KingJoel - Raging Tide
    KingJoel - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Well its not up to me Im just a Solider but lose 2 lands for 1 1v1?? that doesn't sound a bit Smart
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    KingJoel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well its not up to me Im just a Solider but lose 2 lands for 1 1v1?? that doesn't sound a bit Smart

    Well since this is NPC logic we're talking about, I don' get it either.
  • KingJoel - Raging Tide
    KingJoel - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I dont understand Varden Logic either I think it goes both ways Boogie
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    KingJoel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I dont understand Varden Logic either I think it goes both ways Boogie

    Our logic isn't even hard to understand. You attack, we defend.

    Whereas NPC is more like, bid on Varden, goes to other wars......
  • KingJoel - Raging Tide
    KingJoel - Raging Tide Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Our logic isn't even hard to understand. You attack, we defend.

    Whereas NPC is more like, bid on Varden, goes to other wars......

    I doubt that will Happen but if it does i swear on everything ill leave NPC Real talk
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    KingJoel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I doubt that will Happen but if it does i swear on everything ill leave NPC Real talk

    You left yet?
  • RedValentine - Raging Tide
    RedValentine - Raging Tide Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    ok lets get real for for once.

    Fact: NPC wants Varden off the map
    Fact: NPC can never produce an honest 1v1 with Varden
    Fact: NPC uses other factions as they see fit to gain any advantage and calls it fair
    Fiction: NPC doesnt know what an honest fight really is

    Fact: Varden has never used any faction as a crutch and thrown them aside like NPC
    Fact: Varden taken countless beatings and slander, is pushed down to 2-3 lands, and is still viewed by NPC as the primary target of concern
    Fact: Varden has worked hard to build a promising reputation that brings others in without the need to advertise
    Fiction: Varden logic is illogical
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Our logic isn't even hard to understand. You attack, we defend.
    Pretty bull**** though, because you know you won't stand a chance at attempting defense against Leviathan AND NPC. It's not about NPC, it's about Leviathan. Any members you send to NPC war makes the fight more impossible than it already is against levi.

    So don't say bs like Defiant and Tao (the ones who gank NPC) are anywhere near the same scenario. Varden is, let's face it, the biggest thread Saturday to NPC. Possibly a big enough of a thread that even if NPC goes full against it, they might still lose. So you are saying NPC should do a 1v1 with the strongest attacker and lose to the others AND risk losing to Varden at the same time? Well how about you guys wine NPC TW on Sunday and fight Levi 1v1 -- you might lose both too. That's fair. That seems to follow your own advice. b:bye

    I'm just being realistic. I'm tired of bull**** from both sides. I'm tired of antagonizing ganks like some sort of proof of ultimate evil or failure. Fact, NPC or Varden are not a strong faction on par with others like QQme or Leviathan. There is nothing shameful about a gank, it's part of the ****ing game.
  • RedValentine - Raging Tide
    RedValentine - Raging Tide Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    at least QQme has enough respect, unlike Levi, to not make a big deal out of attacking you guys fairly. and no offence, but from what i have seen recently, yes Levi stil may be the closest in strength to QQme, but the way its looking is that QQme is now on a whole different level then you now. now personally, last i checked QQme wasnt allying themselves with factions who use each other for personal gain. Nor has Varden. but have we ever seen Levi and NPC duke it out? hmmmm, omg! could it be that you guys have the same damn motive? omg, could you even be thinking that NPC and Levi can take the map together? id like to see NPC and Levi duke it out for once. at least Varden has even done that much.
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I don't really understand what you mean. Are you saying that any gank whatsoever is a coordinate alliance between two factions? Like Leviathan and NPC now? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that has to be a joke.

    I don't deny NPC possibly jumped on the bandwagon here to gank. Why wouldn't they? I just find it funny. Obviously almost everyone wants a gank, especially the weaker factions. I let pride aside and look at logic.
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Let me start off by saying this: Varden is still on the map by the graciousness of QQme. It isn't because of any effort on Varden's part. Varden as a whole is a great group of people, but to say that they worked hard for that land is inaccurate.

    NPC can more than pull off a 1v1 with Varden. It would be a pretty good fight, and I dare say that NPC could pull off a win.

    Anyway...all this talk of honor and fair fights is a little ridiculous. This is a game. This is war. Being a martyr won't help you here. People are going to make temporary alliances to further their cause. It happens. Just remember that today's allies could be tomorrow's enemies. Either adapt to it or watch yourself fall to the bottom of the food chain if you will. The choice is yours.
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  • waaaaaaaah
    waaaaaaaah Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    RedValentine - Raging Tide wrote: »
    at least QQme has enough respect, unlike Levi, to not make a big deal out of attacking you guys fairly. and no offence, but from what i have seen recently, yes Levi stil may be the closest in strength to QQme, but the way its looking is that QQme is now on a whole different level then you now. now personally, last i checked QQme wasnt allying themselves with factions who use each other for personal gain. Nor has Varden. but have we ever seen Levi and NPC duke it out? hmmmm, omg! could it be that you guys have the same damn motive? omg, could you even be thinking that NPC and Levi can take the map together? id like to see NPC and Levi duke it out for once. at least Varden has even done that much.

    Lol wow what a sob story. Chill the hell out we wanted a 1 vs 1 with Varden wasn't our fault NPC decided to attack as well. If I read it right we bidded first then NPC but of course we are too blame for the gank. I don't understand what you mean by "at least QQme has enough respect, unlike Levi, to not make a big deal out of attacking you guys fairly." clarify plox.

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out QQme > Levi ijs. We never really beat QQme in terms of level and gear.
  • VenoProwl - Raging Tide
    VenoProwl - Raging Tide Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    KingJoel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well its not up to me Im just a Solider but lose 2 lands for 1 1v1?? that doesn't sound a bit Smart

    Ahhah! I win the bet with someone...I knew this was gonna be a reason they could say in case they lose b:chuckle
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  • Uzuril - Raging Tide
    Uzuril - Raging Tide Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide wrote: »
    It isn't because of any effort on Varden's part. Varden as a whole is a great group of people, but to say that they worked hard for that land is inaccurate.

    No offense, but if you where going to say that. You might as well say that almost any faction who isn't QQme at this point and on the map never worked hard for it. Because I'm pretty sure QQme could take anyone out if they really wanted to. But I honestly think to say they never worked hard is inaccurate, though that maybe partly true that QQme was in the beginning gracious enough to let Varden keep that land there, in Varden's case. With the past weeks constant ganks and attacks from OTHER factions like Vertu, NPC, Latinos etc. You cannot say they did not work hard to keep that land that they DO still have. o.o `and the same goes for anyone faction on the map really.

    Though I must admit I am actually quite glad QQme never quite went to the point of taking over the map as a whole and left a little breathing room for better TWs.
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  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Uzuril - Raging Tide wrote: »
    No offense, but if you where going to say that. You might as well say that almost any faction who isn't QQme at this point and on the map never worked hard for it. Because I'm pretty sure QQme could take anyone out if they really wanted to. But I honestly think to say they never worked hard is inaccurate, though that maybe partly true that QQme was in the beginning gracious enough to let Varden keep that land there, in Varden's case. With the past weeks constant ganks and attacks from OTHER factions like Vertu, NPC, Latinos etc. You cannot say they did not work hard to keep that land that they DO still have. o.o `and the same goes for anyone faction on the map really.

    Though I must admit I am actually quite glad QQme never quite went to the point of taking over the map as a whole and left a little breathing room for better TWs.
    b:pleased

    That much is true. Any faction that isn't QQme or Leviathan stays on the map at the mercy of the abovenamed factions. Except maybe Poseidon. I'm interested to see how the credit card warriors would fair against a major faction. They've been taking the easy way out recently (no offense against War).

    As for the case of Varden, I see Vertu and Latinos as no major threat to you. NPC is a different story. I guess we will see tonight. Could it be personal? After all, there are a lot of ex-Varden in NPC. Or there was anyway. I'm sort of out of touch with things.
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  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm sort of out of touch with things.

    Then perhaps its best not to comment about that which you don't know?


    ...Fuzzy just saying. b:shutup
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  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I'm not aware of the specifics Fuzzy. Its something I don't have time for. All I know is that there were quite a few ex-Varden in NPC and as far as I know that hasn't changed. I'm just wondering if that influences your decision to attack each other. Not that there really is much option at this point.
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  • Uzuril - Raging Tide
    Uzuril - Raging Tide Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    To be honest, I kind of think whether there are ex-Vardens or not in NPC; its kind of irrelevant. But then again I was not around when these supposed ex-Varden members left. =p So I have no influence to want to fight NPC for that reason.
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Eh, its just another bandwagon thing. Some Varden members left because they wanted a quick and easy shot at success. They weren't the first to do it and they certainly will not be the last. Unfortunately (and eventually someone will realize this) that doesn't work. You can't just form a faction, make a high level requirement, and expect it to succeed.

    I'm getting off the topic though. The point is that there's going to be TWs. The only unfair fight is the one you lose. Ganks happen. This time, however, they're in your favor so take advantage of them.
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  • VenoProwl - Raging Tide
    VenoProwl - Raging Tide Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm interested to see how the credit card warriors would fair against a major faction.

    I are credit card warrior! b:cool Hear my credit-card debt warcry! "DEEEEBBBTTTSSS!!!!"

    b:cute

    Tbh though we only get 20-30 per TW.
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  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    No doubt.
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    TruthWarren speaks the truth this time (pun intended). b:cute

    Anyway, NPC may be hypocrites, not like Varden are angels either... or any faction for that matter. Kinda obvious they are all self-interested.

    I mean, let's leave pride aside and look at facts. Varden attempted attacks on QQme numerous times in the past, every single time when it was 1v1 getting a 5 min roll. NPC tried this as well but justified it with their "aggro" formula (or some stuff like that lol) in ganks, still got rolled in 3 mins. After several attempts, the outcomes will be pretty obvious.

    Now, it's pretty known those factions are weaker than some faction like QQme. And like I said, nothing shameful in that (in case you got my intention wrong). Just taking pride in 1v1 at this point is meaningless. Ganks are usually a strategic option for these factions. I'm not going to hate them for that, that would make me a **** for spitting in their situations. And I won't lie, I just can't be a ****.

    But then again people who are those who'd likely stay and die with their last breath in a battle they can't win, instead of fleeing and saving at least what's left. I call it pride versus logic. I side with logic.
  • Tainaker - Harshlands
    Tainaker - Harshlands Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    TruthWarren speaks the truth this time (pun intended).

    not really.
    by his logic Leviathan didnt work hard for their land cause they are only on the map cuz back in the days Infamy and QQme didnt wipe them off the map. thats what he is saying about varden right? (and we know that thats not the case) or that infamy was in the map cuz insight and empire (before they disbanded and formed qqme) didnt wipe them off the map. i mean we pretty much can say that about any faction in the server so...yeah.

    look Archo they wiped off the red faction in like 2 or 3 weeks.

    the fac is that yes QQme can take varden off from the map but they could attack another faction like npc or poseidon to get land again.

    every faction in the tw map worked for their lands either if it was a gank or not. and yeah qqme is the #1 faction atm just like infamy and empire were at some point.....and where are those factions now? IJS


    anything can happen...and lets not forget the FW factor.
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Tainaker - Harshlands wrote: »
    not really.

    Um, yeah, really.

    Sorry that you don't believe that is the case. Sorry to break it to you but its the truth. Varden has been granted a major reprieve. You can try to defend it any way you want but its the simple, blunt truth. On the other hand, I don't know much about Leviathan's history. Not that its really important. History is history. They are in a position of power right now. The past is irrelevant.
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  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    NPC may be hypocrites, not like Varden are angels either... or any faction for that matter. Kinda obvious they are all self-interested.


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