What happened to the stickys?

Rawrgh - Raging Tide
Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
edited October 2010 in General Discussion
Seriously, are the GMs trying to use our recent forum chaos to silently get rid of several sticky'd topics?


Cause as of right now the only stickyed topics are the core connect one and the jones blessing one.


What happened to the DQ price compensation thread?

What happened to a discussion on TW changes?
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  • Flyingkea - Dreamweaver
    Flyingkea - Dreamweaver Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Theyre still there, Frankie says that now there'll only be stickys for announcements, not discussion threads
  • Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear
    Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    This reminds me of the old hairstyle glitch that came up after the Tideborn Expansion.
    They made a sticky and it took weeks for the GMs to reply to any of our questions. And then, after months, the sticky just disappeared. I used search function to find it, somewhere, only to find out that glitch apparently wasn't a glitch.

    Of course that's different from the DQ stuff, but... yeah, they seem to have the habit of just making stuff like that disappear.

    EDIT:
    *looks at Flyingkea's post* Or that.
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Sounds to me like they're hoping that, especially with things the way they are now, that the threads will go down in pages and end up being forgotten.


    Seems like they only want to abuse this "forum chaos"
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  • Flyingkea - Dreamweaver
    Flyingkea - Dreamweaver Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    IDK about abusing forum chaos, but in each post, thats the stated reason - to revert to only announcements being sticked
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    They were discussed, nothing was done & now it's time to move the topics to the depths below the spam where nobody will see or remember them. Nothing new.

    & frankly don't think many here give a ****, since majority of spammer no longer play or sign on to afk & are posting for the sake of posting/arguing.
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  • Axelire - Heavens Tear
    Axelire - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Its a slap on the wrist for our defiance. Now we learn what really being ignored is like. Pro, GG.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Read the threads and check frankie's responses. He said about devs not willing to change TT back and DQ price compensation still being worked on. And he also said he has compiled the TW info and sent (?) it to devs.

    TW:
    frankieraye wrote: »
    I've been compiling data regarding the TW system for the past ~2 months since the changes were made, and you guys are right, there are significantly fewer wars per week than there used to be. We understand the importance of TW as the most enjoyable end-game activity, and this concern is something that we are bringing up with the devs.

    I'm un-stickying this thread so that we can revert to the system of forum stickies being used solely for announcements.

    TT:
    frankieraye wrote: »
    It was un-stickied so that we can revert to the system we used to have-- the system where only announcements were stickied. Frankly, having this and other discussion topics stickied simply brings out more negativity than is necessary. You can absolutely still post about these topics, though, as your concerns are important to us.

    DQ price:
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Unstickying this as its presence at the top of the forums every day is only causing more negativity than it needs to. Stickys will no longer be used for discussion of the game, but for important announcements, as they were originally intended.

    As for DQ compensation, it's still a high priority for us, and something that we haven't stopped working on at any point in time.

    I hardly see this as ignoring us.
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  • Axelire - Heavens Tear
    Axelire - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Frankly, having this and other discussion topics stickied simply brings out more negativity than is necessary.

    Yeah, 'cause now people who aren't as forum savvy will actually have to put in the effort of finding this discussion thread, provided they know about its existence.

    GG.
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  • GreatStorm - Sanctuary
    GreatStorm - Sanctuary Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Axelire - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah, 'cause now people who aren't as forum savvy will actually have to put in the effort of finding this discussion thread, provided they know about its existence.

    GG.


    or as a community we can keep them bumped to first page till we get real answers
  • Vorhs - Lost City
    Vorhs - Lost City Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    lol yea the threads brings negativity, but if the state of the game IS negative, its right that the forum brings it too. Forum should reflect game experience.

    All this seems like a minor case of occultation of information b:shocked

    Its even more negative.
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  • Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear
    Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »
    lol yea the threads brings negativity, but if the state of the game IS negative, its right that the forum brings it too. Forum should reflect game experience.

    All this seems like a minor case of dictatorial block of freedom of information b:shocked

    Its even more negative.
    We should start a revolution. Or... boycot PWI. b:chuckle
  • Flyingkea - Dreamweaver
    Flyingkea - Dreamweaver Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »
    lol yea the threads brings negativity, but if the state of the game IS negative, its right that the forum brings it too. Forum should reflect game experience.

    All this seems like a minor case of dictatorial block of freedom of information b:shocked

    Its even more negative.

    How is it a block of freedom of information? The posts are still there, you can still post on them, read them whatever, its just not the first thing on the page anymore.
  • Vorhs - Lost City
    Vorhs - Lost City Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Flyingkea - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    How is it a block of freedom of information? The posts are still there, you can still post on them, read them whatever, its just not the first thing on the page anymore.

    i just edited my post even before reading yours b:chuckle
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  • Axelire - Heavens Tear
    Axelire - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    GreatStorm - Sanctuary wrote: »
    or as a community we can keep them bumped to first page till we get real answers

    Theoretically we could, but just look to what has happened to previous discussion threads that have been un-sticked. Plus, to most people, the act of 'unstickying' those discussion threads means that any continued discussion is ineffectual (regardless of what is otherwise claimed).
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  • Vorhs - Lost City
    Vorhs - Lost City Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    We should start a revolution. Or... boycot PWI. b:chuckle

    I already said that no matter how forsaken world will be cool, i wont even download it for that reason b:surrender

    I hope many others will follow me in this opinion b:victory
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I actually agree with their decision to move them.

    It's really how it should be handled. Issues like these threads shouldn't be sticked, if anything, a stickied post with 'important threads you should read' should have links to them at best... but the individual threads themselves shouldn't be stickied.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    GreatStorm - Sanctuary wrote: »
    or as a community we can keep them bumped to first page till we get real answers

    no, that is physically impossible; the heat death of the universe cannot be averted.
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    They've stretched the DQ changes for so long I doubt it'll ever go back to normal. People will forget it eventually, and if it isn't stickied, people will forget it faster.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Read the threads and check frankie's responses. He said about devs not willing to change TT back and DQ price compensation still being worked on. And he also said he has compiled the TW info and sent (?) it to devs.

    TW:
    frankieraye wrote: »
    I've been compiling data regarding the TW system for the past ~2 months since the changes were made, and you guys are right, there are significantly fewer wars per week than there used to be. We understand the importance of TW as the most enjoyable end-game activity, and this concern is something that we are bringing up with the devs.


    TT:
    frankieraye wrote: »
    It was un-stickied so that we can revert to the system we used to have-- the system where only announcements were stickied (Edit: And cannot be replied to by non-GMs). Frankly, having this and other discussion topics stickied simply brings out more negativity than is necessary. You can absolutely still post about these topics, though, as your concerns are important to us.


    DQ price:
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Unstickying this as its presence at the top of the forums every day is only causing more negativity than it needs to. Stickys will no longer be used for discussion of the game, but for important announcements, as they were originally intended.

    As for DQ compensation, it's still a high priority for us, and something that we haven't stopped working on at any point in time.

    I hardly see this as ignoring us.
    The GMs really need to put these sorts of statements into a "GM responses" announcement topic which is stickied (Edit: And cannot be replied to by non-GMs). That way we don't have to dig through 100 pages of QQ just to find a single GM response. And we don't get topics like this one asking why something has happened when the GMs have already explained why it has happened. It's just impossible to find their post unless you read everything that's posted here 24/7.

    That was one thing that really annoyed me about Spoons. He would post an official reply to a question, and then immediately close the thread thus guaranteeing it would fall off the first few pages and never be read by most of the players.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I actually agree with their decision to move them.

    It's really how it should be handled. Issues like these threads shouldn't be sticked, if anything, a stickied post with 'important threads you should read' should have links to them at best... but the individual threads themselves shouldn't be stickied.

    This.

    Firstly, stickies disappearing is not new around here. No need to cry about stickies being disappeared, because the GMs have done this before in the knowledge it typically halts all discussion.

    TT isn't being changes, TW data supposedly sent, and let's face it, DQ isn't going to get changed and I started doubting it would ever get it's so called compensation Frankie said we would get, either because of negligence on Frankie's part (yes, I ****ing said it, and a huge part of me thinks it after the fiasco for the past couple of days) or on the part of the developers.

    If a sticky thread is unstickied and people carried on posting in it, it's actually pretty rare, and they must really be wanting answers. I.E. TW rules thread has been on the first page for a long time now and isn't about to magically poof like the GMs would like it to.

    Secondly, having a sticky as a discussion is somewhat negative in it's own way. After all, with all the piece of **** decisions being made by different people lately, having all the negatively in a stickied thread isn't the best idea. Although admittedly, at this point with General Discussion rampant with negativity, I don't really see the point in the change.

    We aren't going to feel any more ignored or any less ignored. In fact, I take that back.
    Having a sticky thread where we can't discuss the issue will probably make us feel less ignored, because in comparison to the old ways it's basically a huge "This is the issue, we don't give a ****, we never planned to, deal."
    Which at this point, a lot of people, will feel is more honest then letting us discuss and pretending something will be done. (I'm not necessarily one of these people, but come on, there's plenty of people like that out there.)

    It doesn't matter now anyway. Forums are totally shot, so I don't see why this is an issue.
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  • ragenight
    ragenight Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    They're hoping the stickies will go away and we'll forget about them so they can get back to ignoring the issues.
  • Dicentra - Heavens Tear
    Dicentra - Heavens Tear Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    In reference to only sticking announcements, isn't there a separate Official Announcement thread? These are, after all, discussion threads. Isn't it more practical to stick hot topics in the appropriate threads for discussion and announcement threads in the Official Announcement threads. Just saying...
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Secondly, having a sticky as a discussion is somewhat negative in it's own way. After all, with all the piece of **** decisions being made by different people lately, having all the negatively in a stickied thread isn't the best idea. Although admittedly, at this point with General Discussion rampant with negativity, I don't really see the point in the change.

    I'm sure the 'rampant negativity' was a good excuse to unsticky the threads, because right now the mods are getting trashed anyway, unsticking them is the least of their concerns, but it's actually the RIGHT thing to do for all the reasons you stated.
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