Treatise to Moderation

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  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    If being a moderator means taking part in those complaint-orgy threads where everyone's separate opinion gets moved into one heap to be ignored, then count me out.

    But if that's not part of the actual job and being able to state my own concerns with the game was viable, I'd be up for it.

    But who am I kidding. b:chuckle
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    denesis wrote: »
    Why was TearValerin banned?
    Can u answer Waffle, im curious....
    i can PM it to you, i did something very illegal :).
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  • denesis
    denesis Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i can PM it to you, i did something very illegal :).

    OK if u can plz do so....
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  • Tatuaje - Lost City
    Tatuaje - Lost City Posts: 2,780 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    The only people here who would make proper mods are not willing to do it I would imagine.

    Reds and Hamsta.

    Those two are the only ones. All you other "volunteers" are not up to par.

    And the two I mentioned are too smart to take up such a silly position. Why mod here when you could get a mod spot on FW instead??
    tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
    frankieraye:All right, I admit it, it's a bit retro. lol.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Frankie has already stated somewhere a while ago that he's always keeping an eye out for ''potential'' mods. In other words, ''don't call us, we'll call you.''

    And usually the people that aren't even that interested make up for the best mods. Being overzealous in such a task is probably the worst thing you can do.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i can PM it to you, i did something very illegal :).

    I wanna hear it too. I'm always interested in illegal things. b:chuckle
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Would you be active? Most certainly.

    Would you be mature? I'm not so certain. I've not been perfect myself, but I know you've been banned in the past for less then mature behaviour and your attitude towards certain people (myself included) has been less then mature as well.

    While you would make an active mod, and while I'm sure in some situations you would be perfectly decent; after all the name-calling and immaturity I have seen from you I do not trust you to make a good moderator.

    I did not trust Konari with being a good moderator either, being a past forum troll expert, and while he toned it down for his moderation he then completely disappeared and wasn't active whatsoever. Useless in his own way that he never seems to log on and certainly doesn't seem to much moderation.

    I don't say this to mean offence, I say this out of honesty. I do not trust you to make a good moderator of yourself after the slander you have come out with, the name-calling in several instances, and your known history. For this same reason I wouldn't want myself, or Michael, or anybody else who's gone down the same road, to be a moderator.

    This forum needs serious mods who haven't been name-calling and slandering and being immature. You are not one of them, Waffle.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Edited WaffleChan's post for me own and for the lols.
    b:avoid
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    With two of our moderators becoming retirees, and the inactivity of the other; I surmise that we are in need of a "passing of the torch," so to say. I, for one, acknowledge that I may not have always been on the best track of utmost best behavior, but i thoroughly believe that with responsibility comes fun. Because of this, I would like to test my mettle as a moderator for not only the sake of the forum, but to ...ya for the forums and fun. d(^.-d). I has many qualities and aspects to form a multifaceted, talented, and hardworking individual ready to support.

    My first quality, activity. Activity is one thing some of the other moderators seemed to lack. There is rarely a day that I don't make a post; even during the late hours of the night, when kiddies believe there is no one to monitor their behavior, I'd be there. No more midnight troll threads under my watch.Me also be more active than the Wafflechan.

    I also have experience, I've been on these forums since near the beginning of PWI. From the knowledge of other players, to PW database, to the wiki, I have a great collection of knowledge at my disposal to help aid the new players who have many curiosities and questions. I can also assist those who have other problematic issues with the game; or direct them to a better source should I not have the immediate answer at hand.

    Lastly, I can be quite the people hamster. From joking with the crowd, to maintaining serious discussion,-snip- dealing with the instable, guiding the very thoughts of humans to match me ebil plan, I can do it all. Getting along with people, or dealing with irate customers comes with the territory, shouldn't a moderator know how to deal with these without letting the situation get out of hand? I would think so.

    I humbly request, with these facts in mind, that I be considered seriously for a position on your volunteer staff. Thank you.
    -Waffle
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the forum moderation team has always been of the playerbase, on a volunteer basis. they arent paid or representatives of the company on an official level. quite frankly though, i believe a moderator should at least have some technical know how in order to assist those who need it in a hastily manner. from what i have seen, the moderator hawk had a good amount of experience in computer technology, assisting those who needed it.

    i for one specialize in multiple languages, and can assist those occasions foreigners come about the forums looking for answers, etc. a mod shouldnt just be a copy pasta slave; not really helping anyone at all in the process. Me specialize in knowing that multiple languages be not needed for a moderator position here at PW because of rule 20 of the code of conduct

    xD
    20. Post only in English.
    We have to make sure that we can properly moderate and understand the topics being discussed in the various forums. So please, keep everything in English.

    b:avoid
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
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  • explex
    explex Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    No sorry, these threads are useless and a waste of time, just post usefull posts and maybe a pw mod will spot you and ask you, you cant volunteer yourself.

    Also mods should need alot of know how about the game just the basics, they need to lurk around looking for spam and topics like this to close. Being a mod isnt a privileged its alot of hard work and you need a fair few hours to help out :D.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    explex wrote: »
    Also mods should need alot of know how about the game

    Well to be honest, it's been a long while since I've seen a mod post anything insightful of the game. Usually they're too busy locking stuff.
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  • explex
    explex Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    That is there job to lock stuff mainly and if they have time to post then they will try to post :D
  • Asmodiel - Heavens Tear
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,442 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Also don't see why people bother to even try to get mod really <.<

    You go all "I'll be active I'll be active", that may be right BUT

    Once you get it, people will blame you for most stuff ingame while you can not give them even a half decent flame/reply back. You'll end like Konari, who wasn't even a mod in my opinion, and disappear not to be missed by anyone.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Also don't see why people bother to even try to get mod really <.<

    You go all "I'll be active I'll be active", that may be right BUT

    Once you get it, people will blame you for most stuff ingame while you can not give them even a half decent flame/reply back. You'll end like Konari, who wasn't even a mod in my opinion, and disappear not to be missed by anyone.

    o.O'
    Did me mention that as a hamster, me do not care about being blamed?
    (^.^)
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
    58% chance to get tokens
    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well to be honest, it's been a long while since I've seen a mod post anything insightful of the game. Usually they're too busy locking stuff.

    Technically, mods don't need a know-how of the game in order to be a moderator. You don't need to know how to shoot off a good archer combo in order to see an argument and tell people to simmer down, etc. etc.

    But I think a moderator with good knowledge of the game would certainly help out for when people actually have questions about the game. It's not in their job description to answer such questions, but I'm sure it feels nicer to have a moderator respond to your genuine question about, IDK, where to use your pet cages at, with a response that isn't automated or copy-pasted.

    A lot of being a moderator is being able to talk to people on the same level as them, if you will, rather then sit and act like your position makes you entitled you to the power of a god. It involves being seen and being heard, rather then just appearing out of the blue and drop-kicking a thread into the depths. Mostly about being able to assure people you can be mature, but can also be a good part of the community without carrying around your moderator flag anywhere.

    Which is why I don't think people like Waffle, or Michael, or NightRage, or myself, who have been known to troll and slander and call-names, would make good moderators. Sure, some people laugh, some people don't mind us, but looking at the bigger picture, I can't see the forum community being happy knowing their moderator is somebody who's used slander before and who's generally been quite a little ***** when they want to be.
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  • explex
    explex Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Agreed with above post, though i still think a moderator needs to mod the forums not know about the game, you need to know when to close a thread when the topic heats up, maybe occasionally a nice calm down guys would be nice before you 'drop kick it into the depths'.
  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Technically, mods don't need a know-how of the game in order to be a moderator. You don't need to know how to shoot off a good archer combo in order to see an argument and tell people to simmer down, etc. etc.

    But I think a moderator with good knowledge of the game would certainly help out for when people actually have questions about the game. It's not in their job description to answer such questions, but I'm sure it feels nicer to have a moderator respond to your genuine question about, IDK, where to use your pet cages at, with a response that isn't automated or copy-pasted.

    A lot of being a moderator is being able to talk to people on the same level as them, if you will, rather then sit and act like your position makes you entitled you to the power of a god. It involves being seen and being heard, rather then just appearing out of the blue and drop-kicking a thread into the depths. Mostly about being able to assure people you can be mature, but can also be a good part of the community without carrying around your moderator flag anywhere.

    Which is why I don't think people like Waffle, or Michael, or NightRage, or myself, who have been known to troll and slander and call-names, would make good moderators. Sure, some people laugh, some people don't mind us, but looking at the bigger picture, I can't see the forum community being happy knowing their moderator is somebody who's used slander before and who's generally been quite a little ***** when they want to be.

    Apparently you don't need to know anything about the game to be a GM either. They can be quite clueless, especially at endgame instances.

    But for all reasons listed, that is why aryanna was not a good moderator. No insight into the game even though I knew she had some. No community interaction, just closing and locking threads.

    And that is why I don't think any of us would make good moderators.
  • explex
    explex Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    ^^ Agreed, though why do you think mods need to know about the game?
  • Drazo - Dreamweaver
    Drazo - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,187 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    I don't know about Frankie, but I would steer away more from those going "Me! Me! Me!" when choosing moderators.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Apparently you don't need to know anything about the game to be a GM either. They can be quite clueless, especially at endgame instances.

    But for all reasons listed, that is why aryanna was not a good moderator. No insight into the game even though I knew she had some. No community interaction, just closing and locking threads.

    And that is why I don't think any of us would make good moderators.

    I'd have to agree that the GMs really don't seem to play this game much. I know a certain past GM whose name I shan't mention (RIP I miss you) had alts that he played the game with, but I can't say the same about these guys.

    I think, if I heard it right, Aryanna was more like an emergency moderator on these forums. Because she moderated a lot of the forums for PWE, she was in several places at once. Now yes, Aryanna made mistakes, but I think when you're having to deal with the community here as it is right now and moderate several other forums, you're going to make mistakes.

    She wasn't a perfect moderator but she did a damned load more then other moderators who we rarely ever see on here. And this is coming from somebody who, not all that long ago, got into such a beef with the moderators, and Aryanna in particular because she was the only moderator to answer me, that I was nearly banned for it.

    I do agree that the next moderator would benefit from having in game experience. It's not necessary, but it would be a big benefit, and it would certainly make them seem less automated and more human. This forum needs a very human member of staff or two right now, because very few people have any faith that the responses they get are nothing but automated any more.
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  • Shivalia - Lost City
    Shivalia - Lost City Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    No.

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  • explex
    explex Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Most of the help responses are from players now anyway, and yes i agree people saying me, me, me should be turned down. Eventually though it comes down to the GM's decision.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Technically, mods don't need a know-how of the game in order to be a moderator. You don't need to know how to shoot off a good archer combo in order to see an argument and tell people to simmer down, etc. etc.

    But I think a moderator with good knowledge of the game would certainly help out for when people actually have questions about the game. It's not in their job description to answer such questions, but I'm sure it feels nicer to have a moderator respond to your genuine question about, IDK, where to use your pet cages at, with a response that isn't automated or copy-pasted.

    A lot of being a moderator is being able to talk to people on the same level as them, if you will, rather then sit and act like your position makes you entitled you to the power of a god. It involves being seen and being heard, rather then just appearing out of the blue and drop-kicking a thread into the depths. Mostly about being able to assure people you can be mature, but can also be a good part of the community without carrying around your moderator flag anywhere.

    Which is why I don't think people like Waffle, or Michael, or NightRage, or myself, who have been known to troll and slander and call-names, would make good moderators. Sure, some people laugh, some people don't mind us, but looking at the bigger picture, I can't see the forum community being happy knowing their moderator is somebody who's used slander before and who's generally been quite a little ***** when they want to be.

    I can't see the forum community being totally happy even with a god-tier mod around here really. But a good mod is one who should be able to take such negativity while still keeping things orderly around here, and retaining an image. The way people regard the moderating crew does have a huge effect on the amount of trollery and pointless flaming after all.

    Mods giving out advice or answering questions in the beginners section would help a lot in establishing such an image. Basically it would show that they're people that know how things work and are ready to help you out if you ever have any problems, rather than just post [LOCKED] all day. I don't think anything has been keeping the current/previous mods from doing such things, but I guess it was their decision not to.
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  • explex
    explex Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    People that can take negativity as bad as some people do on here takes alot of will power, especially when you just want to rage out. The mods dont do a great job on here as they dont help out alot, though i think AryannaMage has done a great job, as she is on ALL the forums, which with the amount of posts each day on them has done fantastic, and no one should under grade here!
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sorry Waffle, but I'm gonna disagree.. modding definitely shouldn't be comprised of this:
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    you sire are an idiot.
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i repeat, you sir are an idiot, stop posting
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    so is your mom
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    boohoo crycrycry. tears are useless. pain is weakness leaving the body, deal with it like a man; face forward heals straight, dry eyed, ready to go. being a stupid little girl about it will not make it go away. i could be nice, and say all the silly little cliche things that are supposedly supposed to make you feel better, but the only thing that makes pain go away is a good kick in the ***. yell, scream, be angry, it helps alot more than making your eyes burn with that useless liquid.
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    aww someones got a complex, poor baby. you gunna pull a wizzeled next, and claim were all jealous of you now too?
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    naive? what are you a fool? its clearly evidence i am superior. if you dont have the brain power to recognize this, you are truly at a loss. i suggest going back to remedial classes.

    (and that's just random posts from now to a month back)

    I think the best place to search for mods might be the newbie and other forums for those who are more constructive about helping people and not trying for a fail Barack Obama pitch. b:surrender
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I can't see the forum community being totally happy even with a god-tier mod around here really. But a good mod is one who should be able to take such negativity while still keeping things orderly around here, and retaining an image. The way people regard the moderating crew does have a huge effect on the amount of trollery and pointless flaming after all.

    Mods giving out advice or answering questions in the beginners section would help a lot in establishing such an image. Basically it would show that they're people that know how things work and are ready to help you out if you ever have any problems, rather than just post [LOCKED] all day. I don't think anything has been keeping the current/previous mods from doing such things, but I guess it was their decision not to.

    I agree, and this is why I suggest

    a) A moderator who has not and does not use slander, insults or trolling to a greater degree. While people will joke about "NightRage/Airyll/Michael/whoever for mod!" I don't see many of these posts and they're normally from the same couple of people. It's a fun joke, but nothing more. Of course, I think at this point, nearly everybody on the forums has trolled and used slander in some place or another, but you get what I mean.

    b) A moderator with some in game knowledge. Because you are exactly right, setting a good image is the start to being a good moderator. Reassuring people that you aren't just some proverbial boot that will punt a thread into the sun when it gets out of hand is important. Humanity is an important factor in being a member of staff, and it's needed very badly amongst this community right now.

    c) A moderator who is part of the community beyond their job. Much like a certain GM I won't name. People weren't always happy with him, he god shouted at, he had a few people who hated him, but nobody really complained that much about him. You know, he was a part of the community. He took part in threads that didn't require his job, simply so he could get to know different people and get to know the forum he was the CM of. He was liked because he was active and he was liked because he was human.

    He's gone now, yes. But the GMs could really look to what he did for some inspiration both for themselves, and for when they pick new moderators.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Ok, time for a basic rule of life here. What's the undisputed #1 way to kill your chances on gaining any position of power?

    You guessed it, it's asking for said position of power.

    I mean, Waffle... yeah your post was well-written, yeah you were being respectful and all, but your motives are immediately suspect the moment you ask. Konari was a popular favorite, yeah, but that's because he never asked - a thread was made in support of him and he simply took it in stride (even bearing several walls-o-text from me and responding to them with all the patience and insight you'd expect from a good mod). Even given all that, it threw me when they actually made him a mod.

    I have nothing against you, Waffle, but I wouldn't call you a pillar of the community. If a community member were to be chosen for a mod, I'd sooner vote for MagicHamsta. No offense. :P
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  • explex
    explex Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    So what would you guys prefer? A mod that always does his/her job, but dosent know alot about in game, or someone who loves in game but cant moderate the forums as well? Personally i would prefer the guy who mods the forums correctly and very well.
  • _Nuriko_ - Lost City
    _Nuriko_ - Lost City Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    to waffles being a mod... No -_-
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    explex wrote: »
    So what would you guys prefer? A mod that always does his/her job, but dosent know alot about in game, or someone who loves in game but cant moderate the forums as well? Personally i would prefer the guy who mods the forums correctly and very well.

    Ofcourse we'd want somebody that can moderate. That's the whole point of being a moderator.

    But that is if we'd have to choose. There's probably a good few people that can do both.
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  • Lenore - Harshlands
    Lenore - Harshlands Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If a community member were to be chosen for a mod, I'd sooner vote for MagicHamsta. No offense. :P

    You don't see me filling up five characters
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