Can you solo dungeons/grind coin well w/o a Herc as a Veno?

Ragdolls - Harshlands wrote: »

Is it possible for a veno to farm dungeons effectively w/o a herc?

Depends on what you mean by "effectively". So far, I've been able to do FB19 and FB29. I haven't tried FB39 in a while, and I know I can't do 49 and up.

So, I could solo FB29. Great deal, considering the drop penalty due to level difference. Actually, I think when I did my FB29 at lvl 63, the guy actually did grace me with a drop --- he gave me a potion. Yeah!

Anything around my own level, be it dungeons or single bosses, is impossible. I'm still waiting for General Feng to be "killable" to continue with the Tideborn chain... he keeps crushing my golem in no time, even though the numbers given in the database don't quite explain that.

Maybe with a ton of uber gear, channeling in particular, things might look slightly better, but considering that dungeons "my level" have bosses with a maxdamage that's more than twice as high as the highest boss I've been able to kill, I very much doubt you can actually gap THAT difference without a Hercules.

Anything around my own level, be it dungeons or single bosses, is impossible. I'm still waiting for General Feng to be "killable" to continue with the Tideborn chain... he keeps crushing my golem in no time, even though the numbers given in the database don't quite explain that.

you have to really wait a long time if you want to wait till he is killable.

Feng has a debuff that kills golem immediate after he hit. pet cant be purified so.. you cant do much on that..

Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Depends on what you mean by "effectively". So far, I've been able to do FB19 and FB29. I haven't tried FB39 in a while, and I know I can't do 49 and up.

So, I could solo FB29. Great deal, considering the drop penalty due to level difference. Actually, I think when I did my FB29 at lvl 63, the guy actually did grace me with a drop --- he gave me a potion. Yeah!

Anything around my own level, be it dungeons or single bosses, is impossible. I'm still waiting for General Feng to be "killable" to continue with the Tideborn chain... he keeps crushing my golem in no time, even though the numbers given in the database don't quite explain that.

Maybe with a ton of uber gear, channeling in particular, things might look slightly better, but considering that dungeons "my level" have bosses with a maxdamage that's more than twice as high as the highest boss I've been able to kill, I very much doubt you can actually gap THAT difference without a Hercules.

FYI, doing dungeons with any pet at "character level" is not easy.

Ya know Yindra, I come across your posts often and you just don't sound happy being a veno at all.

When it comes to grinding mobs the Venomancer class is certainly the most suitable because if you manage things right, you will never get hit (no need for HP pots) and with your HP/MP regeneration skills you will not need MP pots often/at all. You will not have any repair costs (expect for the weapon) because it's your pet who takes the hits. So you'll probably just spend 10k out of the 100k you will grind unlike other classes who will have to spend more for pots and repairs. The final profit is bigger.

Now, you also need to know where, what and how to grind.

-If you want to get money as fast as possible always fight mobs 1 vs 1. Don't do AoE because it takes longer to kill mobs that way. However, don't slave yourself. Try out things and have fun. I'm just mentioning the most effective way.

-Make a quick research every time you change mobs (because of level range etc.) to what things they drop. Apart from Dragon Quest drops it's also good to grind for pet food such as hay and fruits because they're still damanded. Try to sell your DQ drops and pet food to other players (usually catshops). Though almost nobody does Dragon Quests anymore so DQ should go to NPC I suppose. I sell mine at NPCs too...
Also, avoid crowded places.

- What mobs should you grind? The ones that can be killed faster (which are usually melee mobs because magic/ranged tend to run away). If you search a bit you should be able to find threads asking about what mobs to grind at what level or simply come back here and ask. I a lot of people do it.


About instances...
Twilight Temple - At lvl63 (when you get your new pet heal) you should be able to solo TT1-1 Solo Mode with any tank pet (Glacial Walker, Crystalline Magmite, Shaodu Cub). It won't take long and if you're lucky you can get a couple of good drops. They are not are profitable as they used to be but it's still a way to make money.

FBs - These are not very profitable in my opinion except if you're farming stamps for reputation. Because of your level you'll most likely get bad drops or no drops at all and running through the whole cave (FB39, FB51) takes way too much time when you are alone. I'd only recommend it when there's a double drop event.


Rare pets?
No. Because in order to make a real profit from them you should go for the most demanded rare pets (lvl20 cub, lvl60 kowlin, lvl80 bear) and you also need to be able to tame them often/regularly. For that you need -channeling gear otherwise your chances will be extremely low since usually there is at least one Venomancer with -channeling gear. That gear takes time to buy/find/build. Except if you feel like you can invest in it.



@Yidra. Try to find another Venomancer around your level. When I did my Tideborn chain quest I only had a Shaodu Cub but I could do it with another Venomancer. Two Venomancers healing one pet.

Ragdolls - Harshlands wrote: »

Its time for me to make an alt to farm up some coin to support my main character and I'm hoping a veno will be able to do just that.
Is it possible for a veno to farm dungeons effectively w/o a herc?

you are at the lvl where you can start aoe on your bm. 7x for dreamweaver port (teleport on island) or just outside of dreamweaver port, low 8x at plain of farewells or near immolation camp. i know old school players who got their coins and xp just aoeing all day long from 7x-8x above. 9x is just better, there are more option on the open map and also in unlocked maps like 3rd map (valley of the scarred).

sure, a veno is fine for single target mobs at any lvl. you can get DQ items and crafting mats since low lvl with veno and with minimal costs but time. about fb's, lets say that you cant do all bosses without hercule. some bosses in fb69, some in fb89 and all fb99 bosses comes in mind, rest can be done by a free pet... uh maybe wyvern in fb51 cant be done either at lower lvls and fb59 with just ranged pet like marksman but at lvl 7x and above. the amount of time spending soloing higher fb's is a lot, an assasin at my lvl with similar equipment can skip all mobs and go directly to bosses and can actually solo them and much faster. sure, not all the books/molds dropped worth much so i dont think they get more coins from bosses than what they invested in event pots and possibly charm

I soloed Qingzi at 52 with a lv 50 Beetle King. I killed it with my Beetle tanking when i was 46 with a second Veno, we both just glued ourselfs to the Pet heal button. I guess Herc can do it with only one Veno healing it tho.
I was LA Veno at that time and had only p.att rings.
At arround 60-62 i tried 39 the first time with GW and again LA with p att rings and shards in my weapon my Glacial Waker did just fine only Farrens debuff which greatly increases channel was annoying. Haveing tough ready for that helps.
Herclessness doesnt make you unable to solo.b:chuckle
Ah did i mention i wore 0 -channel gear...
Since DQ prices dropped so much its not the fastest money grinder its ok tho. TT... i dunno i think i try i was to busy leveling my Pets till now. b:laugh
Farming fbs for money was always very uneffective when i did it tho, its slow, drops can vary alot from 200k profit to 10k while it took like 1h+. So i just quitted doing that very fast. Im not sure if it would speed up so much by beeing more m.att focused and a Herc that it becomes profitable.
Wiz cant solo TT but doesnt need to buy Pet Skills so for DQ grind my Wiz with self made mp regen meds is almost more effective. b:shocked
In higher levels the mats for those are harder to get and farming them becomes quite a time eater so i guess point for Veno, i dont need those as Veno.

MaouHime - Raging Tide wrote: »

I do not intend to offend you Yindra, but you can actually solo FB29 at lvl 45+ even though it is quite/extremely hard.

i'll say. i tried it at level 52, and didn't get much anywhere.

granted, my eldergoth did manage to hold Qingzi at bay --- his HP bar was playing ping-pong with my pet heals, but he was surviving, and i could even throw an occasional amp damage at the boss now and then --- but i had no time for dealing damage, and it quickly became obvious i'd be there all night at that rate. gave up and ran with the boss still at roughly 90% health or so.

my guildmates then told me Qingzi hits harder the less HP he's got left. if that is so (and i have no reason to think they're wrong about it) then i doubt my eldergoth could have survived to kill him, i had enough trouble as it was.

my glacial walker lived 20 seconds or so, then i had to fox and run for it. no hope of keeping it alive against Qingzi's melee damage. possibly this boss can be soloed by a veno at level 45, but i have no clue how they'd go about it, and i'd be in awe of their skills to see it done.

kenlee wrote: »

about soloing stuff by yourself, without pet, i could do that better on my wizard. Qingzi -> earth shield and self heal/charm could be done at some low lvls. now my wiz is 9x, cant test it anymore but with minimal self heal can solo tank much more than my veno can do without pet but harder on wood or metal bosses. sure i have more repairs but far less than melee tanks. veno has minimal repairs.

Oh yes, we all know every veno keeps a same level Wizard alt. WHich must come incredibly handy when you want your veno to get the xp from a BH run...

I'd second the suggestion about looking into AOE grinding with your BM. They're pretty effective at making money via grinding once they're able to do that. You'll probably need a charms for heals and hp, but you can get those free now with the Mon/Tue events.

Soloing low- and mid-level instances used to be OK for making money until they added BH. With BH, lots of people started doing those instances causing the prices on the molds to plummet. With a couple exceptions, I think you'd be better off just doing regular AOE grinding with your BM.

The first exception is Qingzi in FB29. He's the BH boss from 40-49. At those levels, a single day's stacked BH + CS will level you, so people don't spend much time in the level range where they get BH29. His mold drops are relatively rare too. I have an army of L46-49 alts parked at that level range doing BH29 to generate spirit so I can get ahead on some skills, and dumping exp into genies. The cleric is actually able to solo Qingzi (more easily and quickly than a veno I might add), so the drop rate is only slightly nerfed. But he's only coughed up a handful of molds. Most of them still sell for 1+ mil due to their rarity.

The second is Rankar in FB51. He didn't become a BH boss until they made 3 BHs a day, and he wanders on a 22 minute circuit so you couldn't just drop by and kill him as you were passing by. His mold drops are also rare. With the addition of 3xBH, the demon panther ring and gale dual hammer molds have dropped from 1+ mil to about a half mil. But the lion spirit helmet still commands 2-3 mil prices. Basically it's one of the best helmets that light armor users can wear at level 75+ without putting extra points into str, so there's high demand for it. Rankar is best soloed with a veno, but because of his wandering path it will be painful trying to farm him.

If you insist on using a low level alt to do outdoors grinding, I'd go with a level 30 cleric. When I ran tests at level 30, the cleric and veno (with same equipment) both had about a net 150k per hour grind rate at Silver Pool (antelopes, spiders, magmites). The cleric needed pots to regen mana, but killed faster than the veno and the extra money was enough to pay for the pots. They hay and crafting mats you can still sell via cat shop for pretty good coin, and you can even sell the DQs via cat shop since they're needed for the banker quest. It's pretty easy, if a bit boring.

But my veno and cleric friends in the 90s could easily hit 300k per hour grinding outdoors. I would imagine an AOE BM would be about the same, so I'm not sure why you'd want to make a low level alt to make money.

MaouHime - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well I am lvl 51 and I did him with my Eldergoth lvl 46 and about the HP Bar playing ping pong, sadly, but it is true, but by no means does he hit harder the lower hp he has.

He doesn't hit harder, but he will randomly speed up his attacks. If your heals are just barely keeping your pet alive, you won't be able to keep up when he speeds up.

Zairi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Im confused...if my Beetle could do it Walker should be able too.

Some of the beetles have decent mdef, which is what you need against Qingzi, not pdef. The magmites have terrible mdef, the walker is a bit better but it's still pretty low. The best class for solo tanking Qingzi is actually a cleric. Mine soloed him easily the first time she tried at 42. Probably could've done it in the 30s too.

Uh...i know silly question but: Unlike other magic mobs Qingzis attacks still count as magic even your in close range? XD
I just wonder because i never noticed its casting animation as soon as either my pet or i tanked him at melee range. So i suggested hes slapping instead of throwing rocks at me or my pet.b:sweat

Would explain why this one guy went nuts because my beetle succesfully tanked it...after he told me the whole run my beetle sucks and cant tank Qingzi.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But my veno and cleric friends in the 90s could easily hit 300k per hour grinding outdoors. I would imagine an AOE BM would be about the same, so I'm not sure why you'd want to make a low level alt to make money.

nothing can beat bm's at solo aoe, HA with lots of aoe skill plus plenty of aoe spots from 80 up to 100+. reminds me of bm's 2-3 years ago when some good bm's used to be the highest lvl and also had plenty of DQ/mats drops to sell

for OP, i couldnt find a bm video but here is the spot you can start at lower lvl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7jLMTXfHk
with bm is just plain better, much more mobs to lure and much more aoe skills plus much better defenses