Official Territory War Bidding Rules

Bludd - Harshlands wrote: »

This. Why they don't remove the 3x limit on simultaneous attacks and allow people to choose when to attack is beyond me. It would be impossible for one faction to hold the entire map if every land they controlled was attacked at the same time. And, it would remove allegations of "messing with time slots for others".

Still waiting for GM response to my previously bolded questions. Your update answered nothing.

One thing I've noticed in every single mmo I've ever played. The devs rarely ever do anything intelligent, like adding in what you just suggested.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

If anything these clarifications of the rules make it easier to coordinate a gank.

I don't see how that is the case, at least on the HT server. With around 9 bids on enrage (guild with the whole map) each week, it is very difficult for the 2nd/3rd/4th strongest guilds to get the same timeslot.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Honestly if a faction manages to take an entire map then the server is to blame for not doing anything to stop it.

The problem with this statement is that a single faction conquering the entire map happens on pretty much every server. Have you seen Heaven Tear or Dreamweaver?

It is not rare at all for a single faction to be able to defend against the entire server and that suggests a systemic design flaw of TW.

Poorly thought out TW design is not surprising given the poor mechanics present in the rest of the game. A quick fix would be to increase the difficulty of defending large amounts of land by increasing the simultaneous attack limit from 3 to 4 or 5. Really I don't see a reason for such a limit at all since a guild shouldn't be allowed to control more land than they are capable of defending.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problem with this statement is that a single faction conquering the entire map happens on pretty much every server. Have you seen Heaven Tear or Dreamweaver?

It is not rare at all for a single faction to be able to defend against the entire server and that suggests a systemic design flaw of TW.

Poorly thought out TW design is not surprising given the poor mechanics present in the rest of the game. A quick fix would be to increase the difficulty of defending large amounts of land by increasing the simultaneous attack limit from 3 to 4 or 5. Really I don't see a reason for such a limit at all since a guild shouldn't be allowed to control more land than they are capable of defending.

If someone is capable of defending a 3 way gank from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th then I say it's safe to assume that they are capable of defending their land.


What the problem is, is that the high levels that aren't in the dominating faction, should get together in one faction and prevent that from happening.



But what happens instead is some will end up in a faction that has a low chance of winning, and instead of the other well geared 100+ on the server going to support them and help them keep the map from being dominated by one faction, they all join a small faction basically so everyone there will kiss their *** 24/7 cause to them they're so pro. Or, even worse, they make their own faction and think they'll be the one to stop the red/blue/pink beast.


RT has been out for 9 months now and we don't even have a single faction that even owns half of the territories, much less all of them. Our "red beast" at one point had over 20 factions, now it's died out because other factions sucessfuly triple attacked it and were able to take land.

Inversion fake bidding on Dreamweaver.
Great job, GMs.

3 factions with 80 online during TW is not uncommong.


1 faction with 200 online? Now that's unheard of.


During a TW weekend, during the ideal time, getting ganked, best you would see is 240 vs. 140.


That's a 100 person advantage, if a guild can take the map even with those odds against them, then yes, they deserve the entire map.

i still think it would be better if they had practice wars b:surrender

Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »

Id be all for it if they gave free charms and repairs... and towers.. and cata scrolls..

well thats the who point of practice wars that would be about all they give you

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

3 factions with 80 online during TW is not uncommong.


1 faction with 200 online? Now that's unheard of.


During a TW weekend, during the ideal time, getting ganked, best you would see is 240 vs. 140.


That's a 100 person advantage, if a guild can take the map even with those odds against them, then yes, they deserve the entire map.

There is actually nothing in the system preventing a defending guild from fielding 100% of their roster in a 3-way while attackers are always limited to 40% of theirs. If a defending guild doesnt have a problem defending with alot less than 100% it sounds like TW defense is too easy.

Ideally TW territory size would be proportional to guild strength. If one guild is twice as strong as another they deserver twice as much territory. They dont deserve the entire map.

Was about time. I hope TW and PWI gets more interesting and competitive now.

1st Year of PWI on HT Gms were very active about enforcing ToS TW rules but during the 2nd year it seemed more liberate.

Because of the fake bidding factions problems: Training Wars, Small guilds and Factions that don't have independent leadership - Maps on PW servers WORLD WIDE were rapidly turning 1 colored.

Not to even mention that on PWI server and my server there were and are TW factions that have officers that are alts of the other Main TW faction. One of the great boosts for main TW guilds are having alts as officers in other competitive TW factions.

This means that TheEmpire/Enrage leaderships from HT are getting banned I think. TheEmpire have had 15-35 Enrage alts as main TW force, and have been exchanging them during the last several months. Having Enrage officers as members in TE, and Enrage members alts as officers in TE, is a violation from what I can read in the 1st post. And yes they have been bidding against other factions only, until 1 got land locked and had no more choice.

But honestly. To put this aside, I really hope for NEW TW features and diverse maps and innovations, rather than simple coin and bidding work out etc. Don't want to mention other MMOs but there are ways to increase the TW times for more fun by placing Gates rather than Empty space at the keeps, gates have power to hold off enemy and make every TW last at least 30min.


kk good luck all b:bye

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Have you ever tried to coordinate a gank? Getting the same timeslot is/was harder than you think, both under the new system and the old system.

Under the old system, it was based on land positioning- which means that if the 2nd/3rd/4th guilds had lands, it could be hard/impossible to do, given the other no-name guilds who regularly bid also. Even if the lands were all close together, other guilds could still easily influence timeslots, even though they may not know it.

And this new system... well it all seems a bit random to me, so really, try coordinating a gank on the strongest guild and see if you get in the same timeslot, because more often than not, you will fail.

Careful, this is against the rules. Though it's easier now with the new system in place. Merely have each of the three factions you want to fight together bid at the same time. Of course, this will lead to a ban as it's collaborating with other factions to gain an "unfair" advantage.

This entire thread was posted because of the GM's decision to suspend my account due to a "fake" bid. The fact of the matter is simple. They do NOT police this. They wait for players to report from their angle what they feel happened. They then refuse to give any type of merrit to you (the accused) or your argument after you find out you have been banned.

I led Inversion (among the top 5 strongest factions on Dreamweaver) into a fight against a faction we are friendly with. We are not allied with them directly, but we share a like mind for the future of the server and support each other where we can. We went into the instance and left our friendship at the door. Calamity understands there is nowhere else to bid on the map aside from them. We hold competition against each other though we are friends. Is that REALLY a concept that GM's are posing against now?

I was told my faction "held no reasonable chance to win". We beat Equinox and took land from them! Yes their forces were split. Calamity's forces were split too at the time we went into our fight. I was not once told by any GM in the tickets "you bid on an ally so you were banned". I was told we aren't good enough! That is why there is an issue! 50 members averaging 90+ went into that fight! A small squad went out to their crystal on the attack while another group stayed on defense to attempt to stop the steamroll. It was a FIGHT. It was not false, it was not pre organized by myself and Calamity.

There needs to be some proper accountability to the GM's who are "enforcing" and "policing" the rules here so that one person does not read a statement from another and say "yup you're guilty". Cause by that line of thinking. There's not a faction on any of the servers that has no tin one way or anothher violated these rules. And not a faction leader who shouldn't be penalized in some form or fashoin.

On the record, I will bid again against Calamity or Tempest. I will bring my faction into the fight with full intetion of winning. I will also take any punishment delt to me for doing so.

Alaxan - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This entire thread was posted because of the GM's decision to suspend my account due to a "fake" bid. The fact of the matter is simple. They do NOT police this. They wait for players to report from their angle what they feel happened. They then refuse to give any type of merrit to you (the accused) or your argument after you find out you have been banned.

I led Inversion (among the top 5 strongest factions on Dreamweaver) into a fight against a faction we are friendly with. We are not allied with them directly, but we share a like mind for the future of the server and support each other where we can. We went into the instance and left our friendship at the door. Calamity understands there is nowhere else to bid on the map aside from them. We hold competition against each other though we are friends. Is that REALLY a concept that GM's are posing against now?

I was told my faction "held no reasonable chance to win". We beat Equinox and took land from them! Yes their forces were split. Calamity's forces were split too at the time we went into our fight. I was not once told by any GM in the tickets "you bid on an ally so you were banned". I was told we aren't good enough! That is why there is an issue! 50 members averaging 90+ went into that fight! A small squad went out to their crystal on the attack while another group stayed on defense to attempt to stop the steamroll. It was a FIGHT. It was not false, it was not pre organized by myself and Calamity.

There needs to be some proper accountability to the GM's who are "enforcing" and "policing" the rules here so that one person does not read a statement from another and say "yup you're guilty". Cause by that line of thinking. There's not a faction on any of the servers that has no tin one way or anothher violated these rules. And not a faction leader who shouldn't be penalized in some form or fashoin.

On the record, I will bid again against Calamity or Tempest. I will bring my faction into the fight with full intetion of winning. I will also take any punishment delt to me for doing so.

That is pretty disturbing to hear, I am sure in their eyes the accused must always be saying whatever they can think of to get off with breaking a rule, I would hate for someone to believe I broke a rule, that I didn't commit, have some proof that could easily be open for interpretation/be made by someone else, and me get a ban over it.

As for the "held no chance of actually beating cala" please... as you said you all could have easily have upset them as you did with equinox. Not only is that real insulting, it just seems like they are trying to cover their butt. =x

That isn't the only thing insulting either that I have heard gms say over the past 48 hours... that bit about... "The people questioning it are trying to find a way to abuse the system."

That just infuriates me to no end, it almost makes we want to... just say **** this game, and every other game made by pwe. << I am not going to try to tell you all how to run your business, or how to do your job, but the actions I have seen from gms as of late, have left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Though I will probably still be playing this game for a little while, I doubt I'll be playing for much longer.

We all had a good reason to question these poorly written.... unwritten rules of TW, that a LOT of us didn't even seem to know there was any unwritten rules or tw, sure it may have been safe to assume some of these rules were always rules, but sometimes you have to lat out all the rules, or people will start to assume it is ok to do something they don't see written ANYWHERE. =x

magyarwarlord wrote: »

Alaxan where do i start. This guy deserves to be banned. He has been mixed up with cala ganking and fake bidding for a long time now. When i was in calamity he even paied Tyranny to get free land then the entire faction revolted against the decision to give him the free land and went ahead and defeated inversion Against the officers decision. Finally the gm's cought up with you on your ganking and fake bidding alaxan you deserve it.

lol this made me chuckle b:chuckle mag sorry to say but i have known alax long enough that this is more BS then anything i have encoutered (could think of something compareable but its from another game so dont count really XD). We at inversion dont pay **** to anyone nor do we take bribes nor anything else. just like every other faction we use our own strength to get what we want. sure we are not always successful but we keep trying. sorry we messed up ur factions little gank which yall have clearly stated u planned b4 and collaborated with each other about it but honestly to make up bogus and to get others banned? honestly how low has EQ gone since i left....anyways i honestly am praying EQ does turn around at some point cause not only for me but for many others its severly crushing to see EQ goin down the hole so much. so with this i bid you goodnight and cya whenever i decide to wake up XD

Tricannon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol this made me chuckle b:chuckle mag sorry to say but i have known alax long enough that this is more BS then anything i have encoutered

just ignore that dude.. and hope he dont post again ^^



but anyway the rule enforcing in pw aint good.

most rule breaking in pw u can do as u want to. as long no1 report you, you'll be fine. they may be able monitor, but as long no1 complain usually nothing happens. and yes many been banned for nothing cos noobs send in false reports. its like GM's not even check if the reports are true, be it TW or whatever.

i see nowhere to believe they would investigate a Tw issue fake bid, when they dont with so many things. and after what happened to inversion that just proved it right, they do not check their logfiles before ban.