Throwing money at a game doesn't buy you skills.
VenoProwl - Raging Tide
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Screenshot here
In short, a herc-veno that was in my BH59 squad did NOT attack at all (just sat around doing nothing, throwing the occasional heal) she had good gear, and a herc.
Her comments about why she didn't attack?
"The veno's "job" is to heal the herc, who is the one who attacks."
When asked why can't she attack in between heals, she says
"1) Herc keeps dying, and herc food is expensive. Too risky.
2) Caster veno does "too little" damage." (Thanks to ElderSig for pointing out that base magic attack is more than 560, so in this case she was probably talking about meleeing)
I went out on a hunch, and my guess that she got all her gear, herc, and her nix all from 100% RL money was correct.
No offense to people who pay, I know a heck load of people who charge are awesomely awesome and pro, but...I'm poor, not allowed to charge b:surrender, and here this char throws about $400 at the game without even bothering to learn anything about their character, wasting me and my squads' time everytime she/her herc dies from being mobbed.
This is just one of a many examples that I'm encountering more and more in my BH squads- 'rich' people who get all their good gear and stuff, hyper/oracle like crazy, and don't bother levelling up their pets/ getting a decent feel for the game.
You want a documented example? Here's one.
End rant.
I don't usually rant like this, but I really want to point out the increase in high-level peeps who go way over the line in terms of wasting me and my squad's time in a BH- even ignored friendly advice that it's possible to skirt some mobs in the BH
Might I also add she kept talking about how we should stack our bh59 in 5's, so we can do all 5 bosses in a go. As far as I know, no one else does that.
In short, a herc-veno that was in my BH59 squad did NOT attack at all (just sat around doing nothing, throwing the occasional heal) she had good gear, and a herc.
Her comments about why she didn't attack?
"The veno's "job" is to heal the herc, who is the one who attacks."
When asked why can't she attack in between heals, she says
"1) Herc keeps dying, and herc food is expensive. Too risky.
2) Caster veno does "too little" damage." (Thanks to ElderSig for pointing out that base magic attack is more than 560, so in this case she was probably talking about meleeing)
I went out on a hunch, and my guess that she got all her gear, herc, and her nix all from 100% RL money was correct.
No offense to people who pay, I know a heck load of people who charge are awesomely awesome and pro, but...I'm poor, not allowed to charge b:surrender, and here this char throws about $400 at the game without even bothering to learn anything about their character, wasting me and my squads' time everytime she/her herc dies from being mobbed.
This is just one of a many examples that I'm encountering more and more in my BH squads- 'rich' people who get all their good gear and stuff, hyper/oracle like crazy, and don't bother levelling up their pets/ getting a decent feel for the game.
You want a documented example? Here's one.
End rant.
I don't usually rant like this, but I really want to point out the increase in high-level peeps who go way over the line in terms of wasting me and my squad's time in a BH- even ignored friendly advice that it's possible to skirt some mobs in the BH
Might I also add she kept talking about how we should stack our bh59 in 5's, so we can do all 5 bosses in a go. As far as I know, no one else does that.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
AriAdiemus - Archosaur:
"Clerics heal health, they still can't heal stupid."
So true. b:surrender
8x Veno, 6x Cleric
AriAdiemus - Archosaur:
"Clerics heal health, they still can't heal stupid."
So true. b:surrender
8x Veno, 6x Cleric
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You should have changed that to "Brains - Priceless"
*edit* and there's no way she does 560 a hit, her base magic attack would be higher than that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »You should have changed that to "Brains - Priceless"
*edit* and there's no way she does 560 a hit, her base magic attack would be higher than that.
Yea...hmm gotta get better at demotivator slogans.
As for the 560, I think she probably meant melee-ing...perhaps she thinks mobs cannot be damaged by her spells after being traumatised by kunkun.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
AriAdiemus - Archosaur:
"Clerics heal health, they still can't heal stupid."
So true. b:surrender
8x Veno, 6x Cleric0 -
VenoProwl - Raging Tide wrote: »Yea...hmm gotta get better at demotivator slogans.
As for the 560, I think she probably meant melee-ing...perhaps she thinks mobs cannot be damaged by her spells after being traumatised by kunkun.
As a wiz, you have no idea how traumatizing kunkun wasb:shockedb:cry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »As a wiz, you have no idea how traumatizing kunkun wasb:shockedb:cry
=D
kunkunkunkunkunkunkunkun![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear wrote: »=D
kunkunkunkunkunkunkunkun!
*Flees to corner crying and curls into a tight ball of fear*[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
hehe
but on-topic there will always be lazy people who strive for the easiest way through[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Goosfraba..ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »As a wiz, you have no idea how traumatizing kunkun wasb:shockedb:cry
Think of an all melee squad, especially one of those No-Cleric, Nirvana/TT-destroying 5 APS Barb/BM/Sin squads, doing the Haunted Headless quest. 5 RPS (resists per second).0 -
VenoProwl - Raging Tide wrote: »Screenshot here
In short, a herc-veno that was in my BH59 squad did NOT attack at all (just sat around doing nothing, throwing the occasional heal) she had good gear, and a herc.
Her comments about why she didn't attack?
"The veno's "job" is to heal the herc, who is the one who attacks."
When asked why can't she attack in between heals, she says
"1) Herc keeps dying, and herc food is expensive. Too risky.
2) Caster veno does "too little" damage." (Thanks to ElderSig for pointing out that base magic attack is more than 560, so in this case she was probably talking about meleeing)
I went out on a hunch, and my guess that she got all her gear, herc, and her nix all from 100% RL money was correct.
No offense to people who pay, I know a heck load of people who charge are awesomely awesome and pro, but...I'm poor, not allowed to charge b:surrender, and here this char throws about $400 at the game without even bothering to learn anything about their character, wasting me and my squads' time everytime she/her herc dies from being mobbed.
This is just one of a many examples that I'm encountering more and more in my BH squads- 'rich' people who get all their good gear and stuff, hyper/oracle like crazy, and don't bother levelling up their pets/ getting a decent feel for the game.
You want a documented example? Here's one.
End rant.
I don't usually rant like this, but I really want to point out the increase in high-level peeps who go way over the line in terms of wasting me and my squad's time in a BH- even ignored friendly advice that it's possible to skirt some mobs in the BH
Might I also add she kept talking about how we should stack our bh59 in 5's, so we can do all 5 bosses in a go. As far as I know, no one else does that.
Well before i agree to bash the herc veno i do have to ask, what level was she? And was she actually tanking the BH59 with the Herc? Cause i do know when i'm tanking some bosses on my Herc, i mean Veno, i need to continuously heal, and if i take the time to land a spell between the heals, there's a chance herc can die. Even if that chance is 10%, then after 10 heals with 10 spells between them, the chance that over the course of those that 1 goes bad is heavily increased & then Herc dies, & being the tank, then so can everyone else. So I need the situation clarified before jumping on this no skill bandwagon.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Goosfraba..
Think of an all melee squad, especially one of those No-Cleric, Nirvana/TT-destroying 5 APS Barb/BM/Sin squads, doing the Haunted Headless quest. 5 RPS (resists per second).
I call it fair playb:angry
Since 5 insanely geared arcanes can't wtfpwn TT in 20 minutes
P.S. It would be epic to watch and laugh at, I would scream "You remember KunKun dont' you!?!?!?" multiple times. XD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well before i agree to bash the herc veno i do have to ask, what level was she? And was she actually tanking the BH59 with the Herc? Cause i do know when i'm tanking some bosses on my Herc, i mean Veno, i need to continuously heal, and if i take the time to land a spell between the heals, there's a chance herc can die. Even if that chance is 10%, then after 10 heals with 10 spells between them, the chance that over the course of those that 1 goes bad is heavily increased & then Herc dies, & being the tank, then so can everyone else. So I need the situation clarified before jumping on this no skill bandwagon.
She was 75 if I remember correctly. And we had a barb tanking the boss.
So come and get your *** on this no skill bandwagon! b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
AriAdiemus - Archosaur:
"Clerics heal health, they still can't heal stupid."
So true. b:surrender
8x Veno, 6x Cleric0 -
ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »P.S. It would be epic to watch and laugh at, I would scream "You remember KunKun dont' you!?!?!?" multiple times. XD
lol that thought makes me think of this song xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDGBUp25i8U
FF7 moment b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
hey! this is what sanctuary falls under! you cash/abuse your friends own cashed 5.0 character until you can afford your own, thus these people are considered 'the best' because they can kill anything in a few seconds. i wasnt aware that just because you have +8-10 stuff, and a +12 weapon you're all of a sudden better than me! wow![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
*currently plays an archer but has played veno , sin, cleric, to lvl 50 at least and DOESNT cash to level*
you know what i hate most? running BH 51 with a veno who doesnt know how to lure. best gear and DOESNT KNOW HOW TO LURE. i try to explain the concept of luring he/she Compares gear, gives me a detailed summary of how much damage his/her veno can do, calls me a noob.
you know what else i hate? guys in my guild (Depraved guild RIP) ask for mine and my hubbys help in BH 39. Barb has best gear and a sht load of fash. so does cleric. was left to Tank on my Assasin (not hard she is lvl 66 but still squishy and its a pain to keep potting) whilst barb was UNABLE to keep aggro and cleric couldnt understand the concept of Ironheart blessing and informed me it was her job to heal the barb (despite the fact i was tanking the entire thing) and refused to hea her squad members.
now i know from playing cleric i could keep EVERYONE in my squad up and running in that BH in my own FB 39. LEARN YOUR SKILLS AND HOW TO USE THEM CS NOOBSTER.
AND THEY WONDERED WHY I WAS SLIGHTLY UPSET WHEN THE BARB CRITISIZED THE WAY I WAS PLAYING
Rant Over[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] <sig by me
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WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »hey! this is what sanctuary falls under! you cash/abuse your friends own cashed 5.0 character until you can afford your own, thus these people are considered 'the best' because they can kill anything in a few seconds. i wasnt aware that just because you have +8-10 stuff, and a +12 weapon you're all of a sudden better than me! wow!
the butthurt is strong in this one
have a bit of perspective eh? probly the only one of the bm's that started working for 5 aps before packs on sanc that still does not have that smexy dps due to a 4 month break and another 2 moths at 7x reskilling/gearing this toon (garnet sharded LA was a very bad plan in hindsight), and i get to see CS idiots with evade orns running around with +5 tt 100 fists with metal shards
and ya know what? as terribad as some of those players are their toons really are better atm but most would require a full regear to actually hit the gear cap so long term they are boned so no $ does not = skill it does not = better gear, $ = faster endgame and as i said most cap early so long term its no help at all w/o skill to back it, the inverse is also true
so gratz im biteing at your flamebait...but hey 2-3 more months till 5 aps then another year and 1/2 before my endgame set is farmed and finished then figure i'll farm my secret weapon
(aka use the bm to fund a pk toon lol)
now go rip off your freinds, catshop or start from scratch but dont rage on people who have the gear because they invested more (you may hate on scammers/users these should all die in a fire) really tired of seeing this QQ in every thread that catches your eye because your bm and sin did not roll from the virtual womb fully conceived with 5 apsGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »but hey 2-3 more months till 5 aps then another year and 1/2 before my endgame set is farmed and finished
Heh, looks like we're in a race. I'm aiming for 5aps sin on Sanct just for the lulz.
Not exactly sure how I'm gonna farm Rank 8 or if I'll make it. Hopefully I can get that done sometime in the next several months, if I don't quit game sooner than that.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Heh, looks like we're in a race. I'm aiming for 5aps sin on Sanct just for the lulz.
Not exactly sure how I'm gonna farm Rank 8 or if I'll make it. Hopefully I can get that done sometime in the next several months, if I don't quit game sooner than that.
Don't need rank 8 for 5.0
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~3 more weeks for me -> http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=37d4d4dced97e0fcBladedZero - Sanctuary
"Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."
-And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute0 -
As funny as this is, I'm sure, no POSITIVE, that there are just as many F2P failures than there are ones who cash shop.
It's just funnier to watch the cash shopped failures.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain, I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."0 -
uh what? you totally missed the point of my post. the point was, cash buying you attack speed doesnt make you good. how does the obvious sarcasm get detected as being butthurt? are your reading comprehension skills broken?the butthurt is strong in this one
perspective of what? your own jealousy amongst your class, because they have what you havent accomplished yet? i dont get it.have a bit of perspective eh? probly the only one of the bm's that started working for 5 aps before packs on sanc that still does not have that smexy dps due to a 4 month break and another 2 moths at 7x reskilling/gearing this toon (garnet sharded LA was a very bad plan in hindsight), and i get to see CS idiots with evade orns running around with +5 tt 100 fists with metal shards
the whole point of this thread was that you can buy your character's power but that doesnt make you good. you're posting in the wrong place.and ya know what? as terribad as some of those players are their toons really are better atm but most would require a full regear to actually hit the gear cap so long term they are boned
where is this alleged crying from me? the only evidence of resent for packs/5.0 i see is in your own signature. i dont even have a BM, and who cares about my assassin, its totally irrelevant towards the fact.now go rip off your freinds, catshop or start from scratch but dont rage on people who have the gear because they invested more (you may hate on scammers/users) really tired of seeing this QQ in every thread that catches your eye because your bm and sin did not roll from the virtual womb fully conceived with 5 aps
besides, you spelled mortgage wrong, you should go fix that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
If you have Rank 6, why don't you get the daggers? They're better than Nirvana, imo.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »uh what? you totally missed the point of my post. the point was, cash buying you attack speed doesnt make you good. how does the obvious sarcasm get detected as being butthurt? are your reading comprehension skills broken?
this is PWI $ buys power skill only matters at similar gear levels or in the face of total fail the OP of this thread cannot solo farm TT squad mode at 90 the dumb as hell veno can after its spoon feed the run by somone else
perspective of what? your own jealousy amongst your class, because they have what you havent accomplished yet? i dont get it.
yes...you have me there i really do want 5 aps (to farm myself a pk main) but the fact that these people are idiots still stands as is the fact that any one of them will be chosen over me or you for a run because they are more usefull
the whole point of this thread was that you can buy your character's power but that doesnt make you good. you're posting in the wrong place
$ = gear faster (note my rambleing on the gear cap) but there is nothing in the cash shop that cannot be gotten in game from an instance or cash shopper never argued that $ does not buy skill just saying that untill people are on a similar gear level all thats needed is the most basic class skills and yes a CSed player is more usefull if not more skilled than a good player
where is this alleged crying from me? the only evidence of resent for packs/5.0 i see is in your own signature. i dont even have a BM, and who cares about my assassin, its totally irrelevant towards the fact.
resent the packs? hell no i love em cheap shards and all that cheap cheap int gear and def sharding? tbh 5 aps was not possible till packs because we lacked the int tome (so should probly change my 1st statement to "high attack speed") and since the sin is the toon your aiming for high APS on... its relevant
besides, you spelled mortgage wrong, you should go fix that.
eh lazy disgraphic and i like it that way
ohhi10charruleb:byeGifs are hard to make work here0 -
fixed, they have about 2k higher p.atk. for less than the cost of the recasts and whatever tt lunar... whatever thing you need prior.Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »If you have Rank 6, why don't you get the daggers? They're better than Nirvana, period.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »ohhi10charruleb:bye
I'm confused by the first part of your reply to waffle...... when does the OP mention TT at all? O_o[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
i have no idea either, he claims ive made nothing but 'I WANT 5 APS QQ' threads for the last month, claiming i quit my archer, a (non existant) bm, and led to an assassin for the sake of it all. thinking that every post i make has something to do with jealousy or resentment or god knows what. he makes little to no sense at all[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »fixed, they have about 2k higher p.atk. for less than the cost of the recasts and whatever tt lunar... whatever thing you need prior.
Yeah, proper correction. I was just kind of shocked to see Rank 6 top and then 1st cast Nirvana daggers... lolI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Don't rank 6 daggers only have -0.05[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain, I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."0 -
nope, -.01 and a ton of +max attack[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm confused by the first part of your reply to waffle...... when does the OP mention TT at all? O_o
cash shop canot buy skill it can buy gear and the ability to farm more gear
so my point in that 1st section is:
$=/=skill
$= power
skill only matters past the point of being able to preform basic class functions when gear is not a factor (should not have to restate this so many times
following that train of though there is only so much that can be spent on gear or exp (lvl 105 hard cap and different gear caps for each class)
so in an ideal system all classes would be = at endgame and only skill would be a factor
however as i said above each class has a different gear cap some of these caps would take 3-4 years of farming with a 5 aps +12 fully sharded bm/sin
cleric with maxed crit and def
HA/AA veno with nix
maxed int archer
maxed int bm with g 15-16 weapons
maxed int sin with g 15 dags
full rank 9 barb with nirvana axes
full rank 9 psy with a warsoul weapon
instant chan sage wizzie
low end (cleric) woudl be about 1.2 bill to max out
the wizzie has no price i can think of since 1/2 its gear would be one of a kind but the price tag would be base gear+% chance of a -16% chan nirvana weapon x rapture cost per try+% chance of -12-18% oht rings x cost per try rough estimate is close to 100 bill
just a though on what it would take for skill to become the main factorGifs are hard to make work here0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »nope, -.01 and a ton of +max attack
hitman legend has -.05
it only refines as g 13
rank 8 top is only needed to use g 15 nirvana dags or mag orns at 5 aps if that helps anyGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »cash shop canot buy skill it can buy gear and the ability to farm more gear
so my point in that 1st section is:
$=/=skill
$= power
skill only matters past the point of being able to preform basic class functions when gear is not a factor (should not have to restate this so many times
following that train of though there is only so much that can be spent on gear or exp (lvl 105 hard cap and different gear caps for each class)
so in an ideal system all classes would be = at endgame and only skill would be a factor
however as i said above each class has a different gear cap some of these caps would take 3-4 years of farming with a 5 aps +12 fully sharded bm/sin
cleric with maxed crit and def
HA/AA veno with nix
maxed int archer
maxed int bm with g 15-16 weapons
maxed int sin with g 15 dags
full rank 9 barb with nirvana axes
full rank 9 psy with a warsoul weapon
instant chan sage wizzie
low end (cleric) woudl be about 1.2 bill to max out
the wizzie has no price i can think of since 1/2 its gear would be one of a kind but the price tag would be base gear+% chance of a -16% chan nirvana weapon x rapture cost per try+% chance of -12-18% oht rings x cost per try rough estimate is close to 100 bill
just a though on what it would take for skill to become the main factor
I think you read too much into the OP's post, it was more of a rant that some people are just stupid, and that the cash shopper versions of these are more noticeable. Not about all these gear caps that you keep going on about >.<
Of course then we went off on a tangent about KunKunb:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think you read too much into the OP's post, it was more of a rant that some people are just stupid, and that the cash shopper versions of these are more noticeable. Not about all these gear caps that you keep going on about >.<
Of course then we went off on a tangent about KunKunb:shocked
eh dumbness of cash shopers has been talked to death muuch more fun to consider possible metagame changes in pk and pve as the average gear level rises
and to taunt waffles...mainly to taunt wafflesb:surrenderGifs are hard to make work here0
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