Attention New Players seeking info on barbs.

SteelStar - Heavens Tear · September 2010

A Barb:
A char that never make any money and at higher levels if you dont cash shop the **** out of your armor will never get anyone to play with you can you'll be called fail and laughed out. Don't be dumb like the rest of us higher level barbs and spend a **** load of money on dead game and waste your life farming **** you'll never acquire. If you do there isn't a point because PVP is very costly and there is no end game content after you get your lvl 100 armor. Which you'll never get your lvl 100 armor because LG cost to much to even enter and 3-3 subbed is impossible. If you still are considering playing this game roll a BM.

To play this game without spending money at lvl 80+ and actually have fun you'll either play it so much it'll be a second full time job or you'll be forced to spend at least $30 (or more depending on your hp) a week on it!. After all its just a game and not worth it in the end.

Only came back for about a month ran out of in game money and refuse to spend RL money.

Was this necessary to post this? no, but its the truth.

b:bye

Was fun while it lasted and only few thousand dollars gone,hundreds of hp charms wasted, plenty of weekends wasted and a days missed from work over 2 years.

Its not worth it for 22k hp and 10k phy attack!

Rule - Heavens Tear · September 2010

O.O Played the same char for 2 years and hated every minute of it...MAN...thats dedication.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · September 2010

Sorry you feel that way Steel.

If you're quitting though, you can send your armors my way, I'll take good care of them for ya. b:victory

I think a great deal of it depends on what one's goals ingame are...my goal in game is to spend time with friends and helping them acquire their gears, their levels and so on. I've never been in a rush to level and I pretty much hate TT runs. (All DDs can go afk but barb tanks and cleric heals barb...no fun for the most part.)

Last 3-3 I went in, we got squad wiped 4 times by emperor...he 1 shot the entire squad after he was lured to me. Haven't gone in again.

Pint - Dreamweaver · September 2010

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry you feel that way Steel.

Last 3-3 I went in, we got squad wiped 4 times by emperor...he 1 shot the entire squad after he was lured to me. Haven't gone in again.

I think you maybe have missed a few mobs needed to take him out of Frenzied mode??

Steel, Its a game my friend, play it if it make you happy. Dont play it if it doesnt.

A lvl 100+ barb is fun imo, but I know that being sage sometimes am not needed to tank or whatever. This is fine just need to adjust or kill else where. The best geared barb is not needed to help out friends at all. Most modest of geared barb from farming tt's and such is plenty with the player having good skills.

Just a few thoughts.

Pint

Blood_Panda - Raging Tide · September 2010

hey it isn't that bad.. just stop topping up and buying charm... enjoy the walks around town in your armor.. and giving help every now and then..

sad to see another barb leave though.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver · September 2010

i just did a LG run tonight for the sake of doing something different. Sure it cost me 500k, but I covered that + a bit more from the drops i sold to the cat shops in Arrowhead manor.

havent tried 3-3 subbed yet, but if the bosses (GBA one at least) behaves anything like he does in 3-1 subbed I could solo it come time to go in there.

yeah i put 40 dollars into the game for refines on my 90 gear, but i turned around and sold my 80 gear and more stuff through AH and I'm making that money back up. I don't even sit around in a cat shop most of the time lol.

i can understand getting jaded on the game after being capped though, cuz really whats left to do? work on refines and shards? PK/TW? I guess roll a new toon and level it the old fashioned way without hypers and daily fast xp quests if you want to have something to do.

MrSyko - Raging Tide · September 2010

Blood_Panda - Raging Tide wrote: »

sad to see another barb leave though.

Yea, it sucks seeing barbs leave the game. It seems to happen a lot more often now. I guess it's just time for the next group of people to hit end game and do the same thing. Seems to be a cycle.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · September 2010

MrSyko - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yea, it sucks seeing barbs leave the game. It seems to happen a lot more often now. I guess it's just time for the next group of people to hit end game and do the same thing. Seems to be a cycle.

That's kinda the reason that I took 3 months off and leveled an archer. It's a fun process, or at least it was in the beginning...loads of drama when the killing fields are full and everyone is KSing everyone else. Especially down by Tusk where mobs are few and spawn points are choked, well they were...

Knownase - Heavens Tear · September 2010

Most Barbs don't like what Barbs become at end-game.

The fate of a Barb is sadly.......sealed.

5.0 aps killed the Barb tank. Sure, Barbs can still tank, but thats like.....last resort.....

SteelStar - Heavens Tear · September 2010

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's kinda the reason that I took 3 months off and leveled an archer. It's a fun process, or at least it was in the beginning...loads of drama when the killing fields are full and everyone is KSing everyone else. Especially down by Tusk where mobs are few and spawn points are choked, well they were...

And that sucks to, everyone that doesn't spend money on the which is cool in my book eitherway as long as your having fun.... anyways... seems like every time your on a alt everyone that knows of your alt pesters the hell out of you, tank this, tank that... Even though you try to get away and still have fun in PWI (which you can, just not as much with a barb) you can't because you give in and because you get so tired of hearing it. Only way to get away from that is to not let anyone know but when they are your "friends" you want to let them know so you have someone to play with..... Basically I quit altogether but this game is still a good game, if you don't play it like its meant to be played it can turn in to massive cash sink IF you let it. Basically all I'm saying is don't waste your time with a barb since the packs. Unless you plan to cash shop. Then still the only thing you'll be good for is to run around and armageddon in pvp. Nothing and I mean nothing will ever compare to a 4.0+ aps BM with good refined fist/claws.

Oh and BTW: Wizzies = Best xP

IF I was ever to decide to come back the first thing I would after re-installing PWI is to delete Steel.

Hope you guys still have loads of fun!

Justin- b:victory

Baalbak - Dreamweaver · September 2010

SteelStar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nothing and I mean nothing will ever compare to a 4.0+ aps BM with good refined fist/claws.

identical example builds:

demon sparked claw barb with (for gits and shiggles) +12 deicide http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=38a91d081e3f7f66

same gears on a demon sparked claw BM: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0e233c70b2ed2409

Both have titan buff 10, but the BM is getting fist mastery 10 added into the calculation. Obviously the numbers listed are higher, but Barbs get poison fang which adds to any weapon's damage, which at level ten is 30%. Pure dps on auto attacking between the two is quite comparable in fact. Barbs will likely out DPS a fist BM against earth mobs / heavy armored opponents - and loose out against them on wood mobs/AA opponents (but lol, an AA opponent wouldn't last long against that kind of onslaught from either). If the BM isn't buffed with titans, the Barb wins hands down.

SteelStar - Heavens Tear · September 2010

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

identical example builds:

demon sparked claw barb with (for gits and shiggles) +12 deicide http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=38a91d081e3f7f66

same gears on a demon sparked claw BM: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0e233c70b2ed2409

Both have titan buff 10, but the BM is getting fist mastery 10 added into the calculation. Obviously the numbers listed are higher, but Barbs get poison fang which adds to any weapon's damage, which at level ten is 30%. Pure dps on auto attacking between the two is quite comparable in fact. Barbs will likely out DPS a fist BM against earth mobs / heavy armored opponents - and loose out against them on wood mobs/AA opponents (but lol, an AA opponent wouldn't last long against that kind of onslaught from either). If the BM isn't buffed with titans, the Barb wins hands down.

Poison fang is only good for 50% of the numbers your weapon does for one so with fists that doesn't matter much and a unbuffed demon bm w/demon skills is much more powerful then a barb, barbs are meant to use axes not fist. BMs can skill and have skills that give them more power. If you want DPS a BM is still a more powerful choice. Barb = Tank, not meant to run around with little hp and spark-punch everything. Only reason people did that anyways was because they were too lazy or didn't want to spend all the money to get back where they were with a BM.

BM: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=05ce1f5a200705bf
BARB: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=203b91693f9a7b46

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · September 2010

SteelStar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Poison fang is only good for 50% of the numbers your weapon does for one so with fists that doesn't matter much and a unbuffed demon bm w/demon skills is much more powerful then a barb, barbs are meant to use axes not fist. BMs can skill and have skills that give them more power. If you want DPS a BM is still a more powerful choice. Barb = Tank, not meant to run around with little hp and spark-punch everything. Only reason people did that anyways was because they were too lazy or didn't want to spend all the money to get back where they were with a BM.

BM: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=05ce1f5a200705bf
BARB: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=203b91693f9a7b46

Poison fang gives a very significant increase to damage, ESPECIALLY when using claws.

How often to BMs use skills with fists in PvE? Never, they spark, attack, spark, attack, until the boss is dead.

If you're unable to even consider the thought of a different type of build and sit there and blindly state that this is what barbs should do, because you read it in some guide that was made 2 years ago, then it's no wonder you resorted to cash shopping and were unable to generate any coins.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · September 2010

SteelStar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And that sucks to, everyone that doesn't spend money on the which is cool in my book eitherway as long as your having fun.... anyways... seems like every time your on a alt everyone that knows of your alt pesters the hell out of you, tank this, tank that... Even though you try to get away and still have fun in PWI (which you can, just not as much with a barb) you can't because you give in and because you get so tired of hearing it. Only way to get away from that is to not let anyone know but when they are your "friends" you want to let them know so you have someone to play with..... Basically I quit altogether but this game is still a good game, if you don't play it like its meant to be played it can turn in to massive cash sink IF you let it. Basically all I'm saying is don't waste your time with a barb since the packs. Unless you plan to cash shop. Then still the only thing you'll be good for is to run around and armageddon in pvp. Nothing and I mean nothing will ever compare to a 4.0+ aps BM with good refined fist/claws.

Oh and BTW: Wizzies = Best xP

IF I was ever to decide to come back the first thing I would after re-installing PWI is to delete Steel.

Hope you guys still have loads of fun!

Justin- b:victory

Steel,

I still enjoy playing the barb. I've just taken my time leveling him. I know I will never out DPS any class. But will any class absorb more damage than me and still walk away with a live cleric? Probably not, unless they've CS'd more than average.

Either way, I'm sorry you're not playing anymore. HT could use more good barbs, and I think you were probably one of the better ones.

Knownase - Heavens Tear · September 2010

Yea, Claw Barbs are on the rise, but alot of ppl fail the build, like they lack -int and such.

I am about 1 month away from being a 4.0 aps Barb, so yea, being claw makes major money, if you put effort into it.

Bartack - Heavens Tear · September 2010

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Steel,

I still enjoy playing the barb. I've just taken my time leveling him. I know I will never out DPS any class. But will any class absorb more damage than me and still walk away with a live cleric? Probably not, unless they've CS'd more than average.

Either way, I'm sorry you're not playing anymore. HT could use more good barbs, and I think you were probably one of the better ones.

Oh, we CAN out dps several classes, assuming similar level, gear grade, refines etc... As a semi-strenght axe barb I can out DPS most clerics, wizzies, venos (not sure about veno+pet though) BM's (with the exception of high -int fist) and can go toe to toe with ranged archers, psys and non int sins around my level.

Demon buffs/passives with a little -int, a focuse on str and crit rate gears, and some decent refined GX's (don't even have my garnet gems yet) while spamming demon BO (giving me a little over 50% crit rate) and 3sparking as often as inhumanly possible (love cloud eruption+chi pots) will rip aggro off of tanking barbs...and often ticks them off too lol.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · September 2010

Bartack - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh, we CAN out dps several classes, assuming similar level, gear grade, refines etc... As a semi-strenght axe barb I can out DPS most clerics, wizzies, venos (not sure about veno+pet though) BM's (with the exception of high -int fist) and can go toe to toe with ranged archers, psys and non int sins around my level.

Demon buffs/passives with a little -int, a focuse on str and crit rate gears, and some decent refined GX's (don't even have my garnet gems yet) while spamming demon BO (giving me a little over 50% crit rate) and 3sparking as often as inhumanly possible (love cloud eruption+chi pots) will rip aggro off of tanking barbs...and often ticks them off too lol.

I'm glad you are out DPSing. My build is probably different than yours to a degree...first off I'm Sage, with a balance between HP (16K buffed) Str (290-ish) and Dex (72 with adds) My main goal being: enough accuracy to hit what I aim at (2 misties ftw) and enough HP to survive most bosses without much trouble (except Emperor, so it seems) and enough STR to grind alone without taking forever to kill mobs.

I also use a pure tanking weapon (PGGA.) Almost have the mats for my TT99 weapon. (Any recommendations?)

SteelStar - Heavens Tear · September 2010

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm glad you are out DPSing. My build is probably different than yours to a degree...first off I'm Sage, with a balance between HP (16K buffed) Str (290-ish) and Dex (72 with adds) My main goal being: enough accuracy to hit what I aim at (2 misties ftw) and enough HP to survive most bosses without much trouble (except Emperor, so it seems) and enough STR to grind alone without taking forever to kill mobs.

I also use a pure tanking weapon (PGGA.) Almost have the mats for my TT99 weapon. (Any recommendations?)

I would never let my STR go past 256 white so I never had anymore than 272 for my GXs, but since you've got the STR for grinding I'd either recommend the upgrade to beacon axes or the axes that have faith. Faith is a very nice add and it does not override cleric buffs.

I made a lvl91 poleaxe with vit+10 hp+150 phys attack +49 was very nice. always wanted to try the axes with faith though. although grinding with GXs can be lots of fun if you can pull off zerk armas and pop mobs for 200k+ b:victory

edit: You can always try making some nice OHT axes to. I've made a few nice ones. Think one had nimble+hp and another had sharpen+str nothing flatout awesome but the fun you have gathering the mats and what not is in my opinion second to none. Plus you never know when your going to make that lvl100 set of axes with all the stats you want and 2 sockets. xD

Redmenace - Heavens Tear · September 2010

SteelStar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A Barb:

...huge rant...

Was this necessary to post this? no, but its the truth.

b:bye

Was fun while it lasted and only few thousand dollars gone,hundreds of hp charms wasted, plenty of weekends wasted and a days missed from work over 2 years.

Its not worth it for 22k hp and 10k phy attack!

Then make something of yourself and :

* give your gear to an up-and-coming barb, and make his life easier

* give your coin to an up-and-coming cleric, to help pay back all those clerics that saved your *ss all that time

* Now that you've un-installed the game, quit trolling the forums with more noise and find another game. We're not your psycho-therapists here - don't go away mad, just go away.

RedMenace

_Roflcopterz - Sanctuary · September 2010

SteelStar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Poison fang is only good for 50% of the numbers your weapon does for one so with fists that doesn't matter much and a unbuffed demon bm w/demon skills is much more powerful then a barb, barbs are meant to use axes not fist. BMs can skill and have skills that give them more power. If you want DPS a BM is still a more powerful choice. Barb = Tank, not meant to run around with little hp and spark-punch everything. Only reason people did that anyways was because they were too lazy or didn't want to spend all the money to get back where they were with a BM.

BM: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=05ce1f5a200705bf
BARB: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=203b91693f9a7b46

You know what's funny, there's actually not much difference in the attack between the two. With poison fang, the DPS would probably be almost the same.

Not only that, the barb has more HP. And also the potential to have far more HP still if sharded with vit stones or more vit added from gear bonus. And the barb can still use axes and has full access to all axe skills, and even access to tiger form for even more HP again. BM is a completely different class, and a claw barb does have it's benefits.

If you never plan to pull a cata and you have the funds to refine/shard for decent HP, you'd actually be better going with claws to increase your options. Sitting there complaining about how barbs are supposed to only use axes is silly. A year ago axes used to be the only decent BM weapon too. Times change.

SteelStar - Heavens Tear · September 2010

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then make something of yourself and :

* give your gear to an up-and-coming barb, and make his life easier

* give your coin to an up-and-coming cleric, to help pay back all those clerics that saved your *ss all that time

* Now that you've un-installed the game, quit trolling the forums with more noise and find another game. We're not your psycho-therapists here - don't go away mad, just go away.

RedMenace

Already gave it to random barbs and friends, but your right! Why waste the time.

b:bye

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