The silence of the detractors.....

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When it comes to this company, I'm quite the pessimist. I doubt that they will unless it would be a change that benefits their terribly deep pockets. But I have been surprised before by this company, too. Not necessarily in a good way, but surprised all the same.

They very well might. If they do, whether it would be a good change or a bad would have to be seen.




I don't intend to accuse anybody of lying, more then falling short in their statements. For example, Sango was right, South Archosaur in DW is starting to fill with catshops.

However, is this proof of new players? No, it's not. There's no evidence he nor I could get that proves these are new players, or alts.
Are these extensive numbers of catshops proof that everybody is slowly falling back to merchanting and no longer playing the game? Personally, I think it's a step in that direction, but officially neither of us could offer evidence to prove or disprove the theory.

Therefore, to try and use these catshops to better prove his argument? It is a flawed reasoning. The increased number of catshops do not prove there are a greater of number of players, nor do they prove that there are any less people actually playing the game. It was foolish of Sango to use this fact to justify his argument, and the only recovery he made from this was to later admit how the catshops proved nothing.

White lies and half-truths are fine until people can offer you either evidence to the contrary or tell the other half of the truth that you missed out. It's not that Sango has lied, it's merely that his arguments have either been contradictory in and of themselves or he has tried to use justification that simply cannot be used. Like the number of catshops.




I was here well before the first anniversary came around. I agree with everybody who have said that the old dev team would have done a better job.
As such we have a new team of developers that, if the timing is right, began work roughly the same time as the first anniversary came around. The first anniversary and first round of packs in and of itself was not a lack of care and was not game breaking.

The lack of care surfaced after the first round of packs. When they were brought back and back time and time again. The RT expansion was not a flaw in and of itself and it provided many new things to the game that offered players a lot of new things to do; but a lack of care in the expansion left a lot of bugs needing to be fixed and a lot of problems that, in some cases, have not gone rectified.

Basically: their care has been very hit-and-miss since the first anniversary, and sometimes the new developers manage to do something quite decently, where as other times they fall drastically, drastically short. Their shortcomings more obvious than their successes, it is what the player base picks up on.




Sango was a made a moderator for his contribution on the wiki, so I'm very aware as to why he was made a moderator. But, again. A moderator is, by and large, an extension of PWE. They work for free, but the GMs - their effective bosses - do not. I can imagine it would give somebody trouble if the moderators began stating opinions that were as slating of the company as many players.

After all, it looks very bad when your own staff, voluntary or otherwise, begin to argue against what you do and call you out on the obvious greed. I don't expect moderators to share their own honest opinions if they actually want to keep their jobs. I do expect them to not argue a point that may have been forced down their throat, if you will. After all, as we've seen, doing such a thing leaves far too many holes in an argument.

denesis wrote: »

Airyll, will you marry me?

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Packs killed the economy not just for free player, but for cash users as well. I have noticed a decline in gold being sold on AH. See what PWE doesn't realise is that once cash shoppers got that ubber gear, they stopped cash shopping. Sure they might drop a couple bucks here and there, but they no longer need to charge gold to make coins. They do it by farming instances; instances that are now way too hard for average geared players.

I can't count how many cash shoppers have left the game due to reaching endgame brought by packs, because they have not much else to accomplish. Many of them were very dear friends of mine.

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I still really believe that if packs were released maybe every 3 months for about 2 weeks each time, the spike profit would be a lot more than keeping them in and just changing the names. It would also have not made "endgame" so obtainable so fast.

setantasrose wrote: »

And I mean Stalin's version, NOT Obama's.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just couldn't resist that. b:chuckle

Gotta love the derailing threads.

LG got lucky and got some good people because of internal conflicts within Nef. TW changes, again, have absolutely nothing to do with it. If anything, they killed the little fun we had left on the TW scene.

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

>.> Way to go trolling on an alt. b:surrender

Airyll and Aubree make excellent points. (Of course Aubree does...she's EQ.) But they're experienced players, they've been here a while, they know how things have been...

And you're right, the spoonfed BH/Hyper/Oracle gen won't help you Devs...not at all.
In fact, I so strongly hate these kinds of players, I put this in my daily schedule in PWI:

1: Accept BH
2: Get pwnt by Assassin/Barb/Bm/Archer <-This is usually daily, considering the redname.
3: Finish BH
4: Travel to Oracle spam locations.
5: Gather spark via Black/White voodo spam.
6: Find target.
7: Use Soulburn on said target as they attack Oracle Monster.
8: Watch.
9: Rinse, Wash, Repeat.