Tired of waiting for 3 months for a answer

Vasilisk - Harshlands wrote: »

Very wrong calculation. First, if someone count 10 times per hour, it's not mean same each 24 hours per day 30days per month. So, this number can be easy reduced by 3. Also, not all tokens converted to coins - some cashshopers using it for boots, lvl100 skill pages etc. So, can reduce it 1.5-2 times more.
Well, it's already not 39 bill but 6 bill. Feel the difference.

Noone converts it to 100 pages as those sell for 2-3 mil each already, much easy to convert it to straight money & buy pages. Likewise for every other good in the best token rewards page. The reason everyone converts it to money is because its the highest value, you could easily get alot more coin & buy what you wanted & still have leftover moneys, hence the trouble.

Additionally, the experiment on how many Best Tokens are coming into the system has been done sooooo many times by sooo many people, and the estimate they keep coming up with is roughly 10 billion per week. The OPs quoted poster is roughly within that same estimate. With the experiment done so many times, its hard to dispute anymore.

And in response to the question being asked about removing those notes to stop the inflation, Franky has answered us. It's nearly impossible to find it now, but he said the issue was brought up to the developers & its "Not a change they are interested in making at this time". So we have been heard, and they just dont give a **** about reducing our inflation, they only care about lining their pockets, case closed.

kenlee wrote: »

what ppl dont want to take into consideration is that many players, if not most of them even after spending RL money, use ingame coins to buy packs or sell the tokens and get other packs.

here is some simple math. player X has 100mil coins, is going to AH to buy gold. since gold is 400k he will get like 245 gold and rest is lost in taxes. now, with 245 gold you can buy 5 big packs and one smaller, total of 271 packs. since the chance to get regular tokens is 98% and chance to get best token of luck is 0.72% here is what you get. 264 packs will have nothing but regular tokens, 2 packs will have 2 best tokens of luck and rest are items that dont generate ingame coins. 264 packs result in 3960 regular tokens, those can be turned in wine and npced for about 10k each token (not sold to anyone) so you get 39.6mil coins . 2 best token of luck can be npced for another 10mil coins. if you stop here you wil see that your 100mil coins just turned into 49.6mil coins and probably some items that dont generate ingame coins. so again, where is the problem? the server just lost like half of your coins, those spent on AH arent circulated... those are lost too.

The 100m he had at first is still in the game. Only the taxes were removed.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

The 100m he had at first is still in the game. Only the taxes were removed.

TRUE. omg was thinking at something else, nvm

now what you will see is that from 100mil only 10mil is generated by best tokens of luck while 39.6mil is generated by regular tokens. almost 4 times more than best token of luck. now ppl buy tokens under 10k, if i get any i just -> wine -> npc

SmellsFishy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hahaha...gold trading failed...
coins lost by tax = coin sink
coins "lost" by buying gold = coins GAINED by gold seller...

b:bye

from 100mil trade is like 2mil fee

SmellsFishy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

....so failed.....again...

245 x 400,000 = 98M (in the pocket of the gold seller)

98M + 39.6M (in the pocket of the gold buyer/pack opener) = 136.6M in the game...so of 36.6M of coins has been from thin air.

no, actually 98mil is going to someone else and you gain 49.6mil so 47.6mil is from the air on that server

I cant understand any of this.

You people and your numbers. b:surrender

Vasilisk - Harshlands wrote: »

Very wrong calculation. First, if someone count 10 times per hour, it's not mean same each 24 hours per day 30days per month. So, this number can be easy reduced by 3. Also, not all tokens converted to coins - some cashshopers using it for boots, lvl100 skill pages etc. So, can reduce it 1.5-2 times more.
Well, it's already not 39 bill but 6 bill. Feel the difference.

In Dreamweaver stuff you can make with best luck tokens < coins you can get from best luck tokens, the boots or helmet are WAY more expensive than buying them pre-made or the item you can trade directly, a chrono page is around 2m, highest i've seen is 2,1m and lowest has been 1,7m in AH

Moreover, more often than not i've seen teles from people that buys such tokens for 5m to complete their notes or offer to combine with someone else, in my main's faction (Dynasty) i've asked a lot about best lucks and it turns out your best bet is to cash them out for the 10m note plain and simple because THE COINS ARE WORTH MORE THAN THE OTHER REWARDS

However let's say it's not 10 tokens per hour but 7 that are cashed into coins, therefore 24 hours x 7 = 168 tokens daily, every 2 tokens are 10m that are generated out of thin air so 168/2 = 840m daily

840m a day x 30 days a month = 25,200,000,000 coins each month

now 840m a day x 365 days in a year = 306,600,000,000 coins every year

Now we see that, even being optimist and lowering the avg number of tokens per hour (i have seen duke shouting four tokens of best luck in a row within 15 minutes) the money ONE MONTH of best luck tokens generates is almost what TW can generate in one year, and within that year the best luck tokens have generated almost twelve times as much as TW

So TW payment being a cause of inflation? doubtful

However TW payment doesn't generate any income to PWE and actually helped players that were not heavy cash shoppers, while packs generate a LARGE income to PWE and helps the heavy cash players, it's obvious they're going for the money, however you can only get up to a certain amount before the majority of your player database gets pissed and leaves because you can no longer succeed without putting 30-50 dollars per week on this game, and what happens when most people leaves? the heavy cash shoppers are bored of fighting each other and go to another game as well because there's no longer anyone to brag to

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Normal tokens don't get 'NPCd' (I mean make the wedding wine and then NPC it) so often. Usually the token buy price is more than 10k so it is just as easy but you also get more money. On Sanct, if you are lazy, you do get more money by 'NPCing' your tokens now than you would get if you sold those to someone else's catshop. However, it hasn't been so for long; I think the prices went down around a month ago.

Yeah they went down right about the time PWE announced coral packs were permanent. Everyone lost any hope of holding onto them for the period in which packs werent in the boutique. Now catshopping them might make you a few hundred more per token, but they sell so slow due to market saturation. Before a month ago, the concept of NPCing (as wine) the tokens was unheard of, but its becoming more & more commonplace every day.

add some big old coin sinks into the game that cost money but make no coin

So....the OP wants TW to cost 10 million to attempt, remove the mirage reward, and have mounts or something as a reward instead?
b:puzzled
b:chuckle

Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I cant understand any of this.

You people and your numbers. b:surrender

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

So....the OP wants TW to cost 10 million to attempt, remove the mirage reward, and have mounts or something as a reward instead?
b:puzzled
b:chuckle

I want a hamster mount b:bye

How many coins are taken out of the system each day? Any average on that?

LOL noob OP, there is a thing called ticket AND there s a section called "suggestion"

inb4moved/locked