TW predictions for weekend of sept 10th-12th

I would like to suggest for Calamity to wipe out Dynasty first and then Inversion before attacking EQ.

This way EQ cannot "relocate" anymore and is forced to actually fight at their end instead of just using the bystanders as a shield.

If Calamity chooses to attack EQ first, everyone knows that they will attack Inversion, or Dynasty the next week first before attacking Calamity.

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I would like to suggest for Calamity to wipe out Dynasty first and then Inversion before attacking EQ.

I would have agreed with you 4 weeks ago when Dynasty and Vanquish went and attack us. But we arrived to a very logical reasoning on why not to attack Dynasty or Inversion before Equinox:

First the facts:
4 factions with lands:
Inversion allegedly allied to Calamity. Dynasty allied to Equinox and Equinox and last but not least, Calamity.

Now what could happen:
Equinox can attack: anyone
Dynasty can attack: Equinox and Calamity
Inversion can attack: Equinox and Calamity
Calamity can attack: anyone.

Now the logic.
-Logistically: Equinox can only move to 1 land in 2 weeks. Allow me to explain. They either take Inversion to the east, and can't go for Dynasty or take Dynasty and can't go for inversion. Or they go for Calamity hoping that this weekend the 3 way attack will finally result in victory for them.

The problem for them is: if Equinox moves to one side or the other, we have to take their land first. To box them in, and then attack whoever Equinox didn't attack. This way, they can't overbid or flee to that land. However, if Equinox is wiped off the map because they attack us and fail their attack and lose their defense. Then we will have to guess where did Equinox bid, and either outbid them 2 straight weeks, or bid on the opposite land the first week, and win against them the second week.

The biggest problem we have to prepare ourselves for, is for an scenario where there's 1 land left that doesn't belong to either Calamity or Equinox. Forcing a weekly bid war between Calamity and Equinox. Because let's face it. If you're moved to stop a full red map and have no land left to defend. What better way to do so, than just block our bids?

-Strategically: We MUST take land from Equinox this week, no matter what. They need 2 lvl 3 territories to bid on a lvl 2 territory. If Equinox wipes either Dynasty or Vanquish, 2 weeks from now they can attack DWP or City of Plume. Best way to stop that, is by forcing them to just 1 land.

-Server wise: Our goal is to red the map, yes, but long terms we hope that TW is fun and on the same level for everyone. Why would we want to take the fun out of TW defenses from Dynasty or Inversion? Because let's face it. Some Dynasty members say they hate the 3 hour defenses, but I'm pretty sure they enjoy them more than the 5-8 minutes crystal bash they used to have against us when we took them off the map.

I sure hope that Inversion and Dynasty have a (few) week(s) of fun defendint their territory before (and if) we are able to paint the map red.

Ideally, I'd expect to see (and to some point, prefer, even though attendance will stress out BB again lol)
Equinox attacking Calamity
Calamity attacking Equinox
Dynasty attacking Calamity
Vanquish/HDT attacking Inversion
Tempest attacking Dynasty

...Sadly, some people prefer to "make a point" even if it will cost them their reputation. It would sadden me very much to see a faction caring more for holding land for 1 week than for their own philosophy, I sure hope this speculation, is just that.

One thing that no one has mentioned yet. Equinox won't be having to defend multiple lands this weekend, they say that this is why they were having a hard time defending against Calamity, I give them the benefit of the doubt since we have had longish wars lately. You only need 80 people to defend 1 land. What if they hold onto that land for ever or until they rebuild/Calamity adrenaline rush ends? That counts as a non red map too b:shocked

Ooops, you're right Andres.

But that scenario depends on EQ bidding on either Inversion, or Dynasty instead of bidding on Calamity.

EQ claims to want a multicolor map, so they can either make it less multicolor by attacking others, or actually do what they say and attack Calamity. If they choose to attack Calamity, then my plan would be the correct one.

But.... as seen in history, EQ is more concerned for its own survival than the multicolouring of the map, so... yes, I do think your scenario is more likely right with a 70% propability at least. Maybe even 75.

And thank you Mizuoni for the invitation, I have thought about it for many times for the obvious reasons, a huge chunk of ex-Bushido people in Calamity. But no matter how tempting it is, I must decline. I've seen how newcomers are seen as "Joining for the TW pay" lately and the TW map is so near to its end. Jumping NOW to the overwhelming faction would be bit... well... awkward for me personally.

If I can't get Bushido's nose upward after this round of TW at all and Calamity is still strong with my former faction mates in it, then I'd be more inclined to concider it again.

Regards,
Contemplated-Applying-To-Calamity-3-Times-Now-And-Decided-Against-It-Each-Time.

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Damn we should bid on ourselves more often... then we'd always win.... or lose...

b:shocked

Thanks, edited, should be a good reason to not make posts at 4:15 AM my time b:cry

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have thought about it for many times for the obvious reasons, a huge chunk of ex-Bushido people in Calamity. But no matter how tempting it is, I must decline. I've seen how newcomers are seen as "Joining for the TW pay" lately and the TW map is so near to its end. Jumping NOW to the overwhelming faction would be bit... well... awkward for me personally.

If it gets to the point where I'm hoping it will get. I don't see any reason for small TW factions to have to TW against Calamity. Ideally it would be nice seeing factions like HDT, Bushido, Inversion, Tempest and others located in different regions of the map, having their fun at TW. While Calamity keeps fighting off Vanquish, Dynasty and Equinox. History says that this will never happen, and they will first try taking land first to begin their attacks, but one can only dream. But said factions need their officers present and strong. As much as I love having smart and capable people that can only strengthen our community. A part of me is happy that people like Illyana, Chezedude, Templar, Fizban, Magiere, Decus, Er_Nai, SmexyGal, yourself and many other key players decide to not associate with Calamity but still remain friendly or at least look for a mutual courtesy on the field because, even though they'd be great additions to our roster... who would be fight against then?

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ooops, you're right Andres.

But that scenario depends on EQ bidding on either Inversion, or Dynasty instead of bidding on Calamity.

EQ claims to want a multicolor map, so they can either make it less multicolor by attacking others, or actually do what they say and attack Calamity. If they choose to attack Calamity, then my plan would be the correct one.

But.... as seen in history, EQ is more concerned for its own survival than the multicolouring of the map, so... yes, I do think your scenario is more likely right with a 70% propability at least. Maybe even 75.

And thank you Mizuoni for the invitation, I have thought about it for many times for the obvious reasons, a huge chunk of ex-Bushido people in Calamity. But no matter how tempting it is, I must decline. I've seen how newcomers are seen as "Joining for the TW pay" lately and the TW map is so near to its end. Jumping NOW to the overwhelming faction would be bit... well... awkward for me personally.

If I can't get Bushido's nose upward after this round of TW at all and Calamity is still strong with my former faction mates in it, then I'd be more inclined to concider it again.

Regards,
Contemplated-Applying-To-Calamity-3-Times-Now-And-Decided-Against-It-Each-Time.

ok but you only get a half of a heart shaped cookie with red sprinkles cause you broke my heart

/poetic

DoriYan - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I really hope EQ does not attack Inversion or Dynasty this weekend..
We have been getting better week by week and I think we are quite close to Calamity again now.
Actually, if the officers in EQ do decide to attack either of those two.. I don't think I will TW this week.

I'm pretty sure a faction like Tempest or Vanquish could beat Inversion anyway.
And I think EQ should be able to defend this weekend, even if it is in 3 hours :S.

b:sadi love it when you plume shot me though...
wait a second
thats LunarLight b:shocked

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So good luck to ALL factions in TW, I know not all of the people in one guild do pretty questionable things to say the least, but when one person does something and we all know what guild he or she is from it really looks bad on that guild. (even high profile players that aren't leaders, marshal's, executors, are very much so looked up too on the game, and these forums, and when not even they seem to get any acknowledgment of wrong doing from the leaders it does look bad for that faction.) Not speaking just about equinox here, it goes for every single faction out there, it is just noticeable there, because of the position that they are/were in. Also I am not saying that the leader should point out what they did wrong, just a simple apology from the leader/any other top representive ("I am sorry XfactionX, for the comment my colleague has said, please rest assure s/he will be dealt with") would do wonders in some.. perhaps many people's eyes... it may make that person who screwed up feel little but meh sometimes you have to do that in order for people to learn that it is not ok, to treat others like they are scum for their decisions, and as a result have a lot of... perhaps likable recruits in the future, that make more people want to come with them.

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i believe however that whatever comments a single person makes in game should not reflect upon their faction. as such, i generally try to avoid discriminating against a faction and mroe target individual ppl. there are ppl in eq that i think are pretty cool ppl, there are ppl in cala that i hate their guts. we all decided to pick one banner over the other and a banner is just simply that. an individual does not affect the banner nor does a banner affect the individual. the collective may influence a decision, however the results are determined by the actions of one person.

so... i could care less if some eq person shouts i hate cala in world chat. doesnt mean all eq hate cala, just that the person has some free teles to waste on shouting something random

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I wish more people saw things this way, and applied this to other factions as well b:sweat

u want more ppl to shout randomly in world chat?

hmmm that be fun to see. world chat spam hour. we get the whole server to spam teles for a few mins at the same time and see chat box crash from conflicting listing errors. b:laugh

Arliana - Dreamweaver wrote: »

u want more ppl to shout randomly in world chat?

hmmm that be fun to see. world chat spam hour. we get the whole server to spam teles for a few mins at the same time and see chat box crash from conflicting listing errors. b:laugh

I am not sure if this was sarcasm or not. I meant your point of view

What makes it more intriguing for me right now, is what will happen if what everyone(thats not EQ fan/member) is expecting comes true. Equinox can't take land of Calamity and Calamity wipes Equinox off the map.

From my understanding based on server experience. A faction "owns" a color for 1 week span. So if you're wiped this week, but you take land next week you get to keep your colors.

Happened to Armageddon when they relocated, to Equinox when they relocated, and I believe to Dynasty (when they were yellow or orange, cant remember) too... But if a faction spends over 1 weekend without a land they are assigned a new color when (and if) they take land again (or if a faction takes land before them). Like what happened with Dynasty when changing like, 4 different colors through its history.

If this is correct, which I think it is, I could be wrong.... and if Calamity gets to attack and defend Equinox succesfully... Equinox will have to attack one of their allies or...

They may no longer be pink b:shocked

dun dun dun

WackyTaffy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Nope doesn't work that way. You get a new color randomly every time you get back on the map. Hence why EQ is more purple than pink now.

Maybe I'm color blind, but this looks just like this to me =/

I believe Dynasty managed to keep their yellow color once after losing all lands one week and retaking one the next one. But hell if I know I've always been red. I'll take your word Wacky as you guys have changed colors the most in this server b:shocked

Loarvion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

its not random or by week its simple really first faction to appear no map get red second one gets purple etc lets say red faction is destroyed then next faction to come up gets red

so they will get the color after arma's old color.