bramble guard < soul vengeance

Michael_Dark - Lost City · September 2010

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But it's still physical.

Just because damage is physical doesn't mean it is melee.

Xarathox - Dreamweaver · September 2010

I give up.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver · September 2010

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I give up.

What they're saying is that bramble only reflects physical melee (hand to hand) damage and nothing else. XD

So archer's ranged attacks and magic attacks are NOT reflected.

Where as SoV reflects EVERYTHING.

Born_Free - Harshlands · September 2010

You complaining about SoV is like me complaining about your Nix's bleed.

a:) There's no point, the devs won't fix it unless it's nurfing profits.
b:) You annoy the **** out of us Psychics, because we're already compared to Wizards, shunned, and generally hated upon because we're in the same race as Assassins.
c:) It's not going to fix anything.

SoV is a skill that reflects ANY damage back to the attacker. Each time they hit us, we get a chunk of mana taken out, and then we still take full damage to the attack. The only thing that SoV is good for until you get the Sage version, is putting it up in case you're attacked by a stupid, suicidal noob, or a mob.

God, next they'll be asking to nurf 20k HP Sage barbs, Demon sparked Assassins, and 5aps BM's.....It's part of the game.

LeirtA - Lost City · September 2010

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

You complaining about SoV is like me complaining about your Nix's bleed.

a:) There's no point, the devs won't fix it unless it's nurfing profits.
b:) You annoy the **** out of us Psychics, because we're already compared to Wizards, shunned, and generally hated upon because we're in the same race as Assassins.
c:) It's not going to fix anything.

SoV is a skill that reflects ANY damage back to the attacker. Each time they hit us, we get a chunk of mana taken out, and then we still take full damage to the attack. The only thing that SoV is good for until you get the Sage version, is putting it up in case you're attacked by a stupid, suicidal noob, or a mob.

God, next they'll be asking to nurf 20k HP Sage barbs, Demon sparked Assassins, and 5aps BM's.....It's part of the game.

So essentially what you're saying is bramble hood/guard aren't part of the game and deserve to be nerfed during open PvP and archer's knock back isn't part of the game too and deserves to be nerfed during open PvP as well. There are barb skills, bm skills, wizzie skills, cleric skills that don't work as intended in open PvP either. So their class skills aren't part of the game either and deserve to be nerfed?

FYI All other classes debuffs can be purified except psy's. Your class is the only one to get this distinct property of debuffs that can't be purified.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · September 2010

Meoshi - Harshlands wrote: »

so what u guys r telling me is that bramble guard can no longer be usable in pk? then it is a fail of a move. i won't even bother lvling it up anymore. and how about psychics with their soul vengeance? it works? u guys need to nerf the fish other than the old classes.b:surrender

PK is broken, it makes venoes slightly weaker in PK mode. But bramble hood is still useable in PK as I heard.

TBH I rather get bramble guarded than soul vengeance. Soul vengeance is very useless, it drains away a huge load of MP just to reflect. Infact, soul vengeance is the worst buff ingame. So if your using a MP charm or MP pots or MP powder / food. Your spending a ton more or charm ticks.

I remembered a psychic buffed my barb in TT with that... I carry only little amounts of pots I usually finish TT with 3-5 pots left. But with Soul vengengance I drained. But after that , I used all 10 with 1 little risk of losing aggro until I used pot to tank again, I really hate that buff because I can't spam use skills or barely spam skills thanks to that damn buff.

DrDrakken - Lost City · September 2010

I always prefer bramble over SoV. Why? I usually have several mobs on me at all times- SoV burns mp so fast my aoes can't match that raw mp drainb:shocked That really hurts when you have a tiny mp pool <_< Bramble gives a bonus. SoV is a give something to get something kind of skillb:surrender

Also, no psy uses SoV on me in frost and gets away with itb:angry

khailen · September 2010

My question is as a vit/mage veno should i be using bramble on myself and if so when? I don't tend to use it on myself much because i find it quicker to heal my tank pet while i DD and less expensive then buying pots to heal myself when the mobs get drawn to me by the bramble.

My understanding is that it would be good to use it if i were a HArmor fox and doing a lot of melee fighting, but im not sure if it would benefit my build to use it sometimes?

Desdi - Sanctuary · September 2010

1) During instances you are supposed to buff the melee classes that are able to tank however if stealing aggro of a mob will save the Cleric, you should Bramble Guard yourself.

2) When you do AOE grinding and steal aggro from 2+ melee mobs you should definitely use Bramble Hood. I always keep the sparks for it, use it when I steal aggro, go fox, run in the middle in use fox AOEs untill my pet grabs aggro back.

3) When you lure a difficult boss (eg. Wurlord in TT2-x) you should Bramble Hood yourself after the lure, before he hits you or before you start the lure.

4) If you are LA/HA and can take mobs on your own (which you will most likely be able to) you should Bramble Guard yourself.

5) If you are a high level Venomancer helping in a low level instance and you are the tank you should Bramble Guard yourself so that you can keep as much aggro on you as possible.

6) In whatever situation you want the aggro on yourself.

bramble guard < soul vengeance

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