solo AOE Grinding as Wiz

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Wizard
Hi,

at the moment im a bit disappointed because my really cool AoE Spells ( BIDS MS BT)
hardly can be used when i grind on mobs.The main problem is that all of the Ultis require 2 sparks and with 2 spark containers + 1 bar launching 2 ultis right after eachother wont work I would like to know if grinding works at lvl 89+ when i'll turn sage. Would a combo like this then work on normal melee attacking mobs at my lvl:

MS-->BIDS or BT -->shrink + hailstorm or will of the phoenix

i know this should consume all my chi but it should be possible to do so with 3 spark containers + 1 bar.

So the main question here is will the ultis do enough dmg to take the mobs down?

Because atm im lvl 77 and mobs have 24-28k hp but my ultis ( lvl 7) with sakyumunis light only do 12-14k dmg so im not able to kill em with my ultis.

Will this change at lvl 89 or is solo aoe grinding then still impossible?

greetz harm0wnie

PS: im a lil upset because psychics got 2 earth aoes 1 with stun with a low cooldown so they are able to aoe grind already at my lvl :-/
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  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Build becomes a question here. For sologrinding as AA wizzy...single targets.

    For sologrinding as LA wizzy, hit 5-6 mobs with range spells to lure them in, then setup DB, eat a crabmeat or expel on yourself and kill mobs. I tested with this quite a bit in my 7x 8x and found that you can do ~300 mobs an hour in a tightly packed area. Repairs aren't awful, you'll make enough in drops to support yourself. You won't MAKE coin though.

    Having a cleric fly over and heal is optimal, esp if they are out of squad (selfish I know), so if you've got a pocket cleric, whip it out ^^
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Well your thinking in the right way. As sage (or demon for that matter), you have 3 sparks and 99 chi.
    So if you start with max chi, you hit an ulti (usually I start with MS for the stun), than you have 1spark 99 chi. Than during stunned moment, cast hailstorm. This will bring you up back to 2sparks. Than hit your second ulti. Most mobs are dead by than, if not you can pick them off 1 by 1 (or phoenix if theyr close to you). For me, this usually kills all of em. Any lucky survivers drop easily once sealed

    Also a big thing that chances at 90+, you staying alive. Now I'm not sure how your survivabilty is right now, it could be verry good. Anyway with TT90 stuf, you can survive 5 normal mobs (with crabmeat if needed) while you hit phoenix.

    Now it IS possible to AoE grind at your lvl. However only under the right circimstances. For staters you'll never be able to aoe grind like an axe BM.
    Ok how to do it:
    Step 1, make sure the mobs are phys. This sounds stupid, but the tric with phys mobs is that they all run to you as a group after they break from MS stun. This grouping up means you can hit them with AoE's again (casters tend to spread out, archers... just don't do)

    Now you have 3 aoes ready. Moutain Size (only needed if you feel like you really need the stun to stay alive. Your other 2 ulti's do more dmg) to start off.
    Than hailstorm. If you get lucky, this might even freeze a few mobs while they are stunned (this can also **** things up for you, as they are no longer grouped up).
    Now the mobs will start running to you. If all goes right, they are grouped up nicely. A perfect target for Will of Phoenix (and knockback).
    Now after this it'll depend on the mob. Are they still alive with alot of HP? Kite with distance shrink (remember, don't blink into another mob) and use phoenix as much as possible, along with hailstorm and single target skils. Are the mobs all bearly alive? Pick em off with fast skils, or kite with distance shrink and take em all out with the next phoenix.
    Also remember you have FoW to kock back anoying single mobs.

    Now there are a few things you need to look at before you start ulting.
    Mostly: Inc mag ress mobs. They can **** your combo up, cause they just won't die. If there are to many, just move on. Inc life, kinda the same thing but less though.
    Concentration of mobs. Are there mobs outside of AoE range who will still get aggroed? They could turn into a problem.
    Also, the amount of mobs. AoEing as a wizzy is not verry effective. If there are only 2 or 3 mobs, you can probably kill them faster by sparking and picking em off 1 by 1. If there are more, it can get dangerous (also sparking regens your mp, while ultiing drains it)
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Aquagirl - Raging Tide
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hi,

    at the moment im a bit disappointed because my really cool AoE Spells ( BIDS MS BT)
    hardly can be used when i grind on mobs.The main problem is that all of the Ultis require 2 sparks and with 2 spark containers + 1 bar launching 2 ultis right after eachother wont work I would like to know if grinding works at lvl 89+ when i'll turn sage. Would a combo like this then work on normal melee attacking mobs at my lvl:

    MS-->BIDS or BT -->shrink + hailstorm or will of the phoenix

    i know this should consume all my chi but it should be possible to do so with 3 spark containers + 1 bar.

    So the main question here is will the ultis do enough dmg to take the mobs down?

    Because atm im lvl 77 and mobs have 24-28k hp but my ultis ( lvl 7) with sakyumunis light only do 12-14k dmg so im not able to kill em with my ultis.

    Will this change at lvl 89 or is solo aoe grinding then still impossible?

    greetz harm0wnie

    PS: im a lil upset because psychics got 2 earth aoes 1 with stun with a low cooldown so they are able to aoe grind already at my lvl :-/

    do something whatever to get to lvl80.
    Change weapon, and some gear. Buff yourself up, get a HP and MP charm. Expel or Abs.Domain on genie is a must.

    Go to rockenwolves, see location here:http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/12273

    Setup the DB in the middle of the spawn point. Log on your alt and fly around gathering the wolves and lure them to DB.
    Solo AOE Grind for wizards in world map is a pain in the rear. But all that changes at 90+

    Real Solo aoe grind for wizards happens only in OHT Map3.
    See here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7JlJuCpu38
    9-10 mil xp/hour is quite easy to make. Not really worth it for xp only, but drops are nice and if you are time limited and you want some xp fast, that's the place to go.
    also the link is in the sticky "Cryxtal's Guide to Grind/Zhen/Gamma"
    Read it and come back if you have questions
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    sage BIDS > hailstorm > sage BT > cloud eruption > sage mountain seize > 1 spark leftb:cute

    b:dirtylove it when that happens.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Real Solo aoe grind for wizards happens only in OHT Map3.
    See here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7JlJuCpu38
    9-10 mil xp/hour is quite easy to make.
    10 mil exp per hour is only possible if you x12 hyper and even then I doubt it. The girl in the video is slow too, but let's assume for the sake of the argument that a pull takes 2 mins. That's 30 pulls per hour. You have to make 300k exp per pull to cover that. Not sure how probable it is especially because of the pesky magic resist mobs.

    And the magic resist mobs are a pain, glad to see I'm not the only one having problems with "leftovers"... man I wish the day I could just BT them (expel while channeling) and 1-hit even those not just the normal ones. b:surrender

    But by that time I think I'll need like a +12 nirvana or something b:shocked
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »
    do something whatever to get to lvl80.
    Change weapon, and some gear. Buff yourself up, get a HP and MP charm. Expel or Abs.Domain on genie is a must.

    Go to rockenwolves, see location here:http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/12273

    Setup the DB in the middle of the spawn point. Log on your alt and fly around gathering the wolves and lure them to DB.
    Solo AOE Grind for wizards in world map is a pain in the rear. But all that changes at 90+

    Real Solo aoe grind for wizards happens only in OHT Map3.
    See here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7JlJuCpu38
    9-10 mil xp/hour is quite easy to make. Not really worth it for xp only, but drops are nice and if you are time limited and you want some xp fast, that's the place to go.
    also the link is in the sticky "Cryxtal's Guide to Grind/Zhen/Gamma"
    Read it and come back if you have questions

    I read the guide but i wasnt looking for DB/zhen grinding here. I asked for a way to grind with my ultis like sirrobert explained. I mean im a pure build and so solo DB killing wont be a good idea since my hp and phys res are quite low.

    I mean it would be ok for me to single grind for chi then kill a group of mobs with the ultis then again single grind until the chi is back up again. The main problem with this theory so far is that mobs hp have that high hp so i cant take em out by just using 1 ulti and hailstorm. That's the reason why i have asked if this changes after lvl 89 culti

    greetz harm0wnie

    PS: thx 4 the nice comment about db grinding anyway maybe it might work too for me with a crab meat and absolute domain
  • Zaelmith - Sanctuary
    Zaelmith - Sanctuary Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I read the guide but i wasnt looking for DB/zhen grinding here. I asked for a way to grind with my ultis like sirrobert explained. I mean im a pure build and so solo DB killing wont be a good idea since my hp and phys res are quite low.

    I mean it would be ok for me to single grind for chi then kill a group of mobs with the ultis then again single grind until the chi is back up again. The main problem with this theory so far is that mobs hp have that high hp so i cant take em out by just using 1 ulti and hailstorm. That's the reason why i have asked if this changes after lvl 89 culti

    greetz harm0wnie

    PS: thx 4 the nice comment about db grinding anyway maybe it might work too for me with a crab meat and absolute domain

    Tbh I don't think AOE grinding with ulties is such a good idea, mainly time wise. To do this u gotta have full chi before each pull which means that you're gonna have to waste precious time building it. Besides speaking from actual experience not just theory until u take your time and cast the oh-so-long channeling ulti mobs get to u anyways and relying on mountain seize to stun all mobs is but a gamble when it's low lvl.

    DB serves that purpose way more efficiently, it only costs one spark and it's continuous. And yes i know wizzies can't just stand there and take x number of hits. That video in VOS map covered exactly this point. Genie skill Expel makes you immune to physcal damage but also seals u. But as u seen in the vid if u activated After DB it doesn't cancel it and it makes you immune to damage.
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Zaelmith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Tbh I don't think AOE grinding with ulties is such a good idea, mainly time wise. To do this u gotta have full chi before each pull which means that you're gonna have to waste precious time building it. Besides speaking from actual experience not just theory until u take your time and cast the oh-so-long channeling ulti mobs get to u anyways and relying on mountain seize to stun all mobs is but a gamble when it's low lvl.

    DB serves that purpose way more efficiently, it only costs one spark and it's continuous. And yes i know wizzies can't just stand there and take x number of hits. That video in VOS map covered exactly this point. Genie skill Expel makes you immune to physcal damage but also seals u. But as u seen in the vid if u activated After DB it doesn't cancel it and it makes you immune to damage.

    mountain seize has a good stun chance ( nearly as reliable as gush slow) and i guess the chi building shouldnt be a huge problem when being sage every minute 50 chi from sage skill + chance for extra chi from normal pyrogram spam skill should be enough to gain full chi after 5-6 mobs i guess. But i see your point here when you say with 2 genie skills preventing you from taking dmg the wiz should have enough time to kill the mobs and the 1 spark required for DB again is faster to get. I'll also think about this

    greetz oben0wne
  • Xer - Lost City
    Xer - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    solo farming in oht 3 map is rly good staff, tho demon DB is a big help with the extra heal ;)b:pleased
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  • Shadowfire - Dreamweaver
    Shadowfire - Dreamweaver Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Some of the easier mobs to grind on aren't necessarily aoe-grinding. When i was in the level range, i killed ultrafin supremes. http://www.pwdatabase.com/mob/8469

    Now i kill the lethal araneid sharpfangs near avalanche village. http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/11164

    Both mobs have a pretty good dq drop rate, and give good experience. They have low hp so they aren't hard to kill.
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Xer - Lost City wrote: »
    solo farming in oht 3 map is rly good staff, tho demon DB is a big help with the extra heal ;)b:pleased
    sage db helps also a bit because of the stun chance but yes demon is better here
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ok im 90 now and Sage so here is my impression with Ulti AOE Grinding.

    I modified the pattern suggested from

    Mountain Seize -->Hailstorm -->2nd Ulti to

    double spark --> Ulti with Element Advantage -->Hailstorm -->Elemental Shell --> Phoenix

    I use this combo to AOE kill ELEMENTAL Mobs NOT PHYSICAL Mobs like mentioned here.
    The Dmg Reduction from Elemental Shell doesnt cost genie stamina and is great for saving your *** until phoenix has finished the remaining mobs another Advantage of only using 1 sparked ulti instead of 2 is that with the first ulti you will hit all of the mobs while the 2nd one might be harder since mobs are already towards you

    it worked really great on the Ossaur Cavalry (87 MT) south of 1k Streams when i turned 89
    There is also a AOE Spot in Heaven which i will check for Nuking ( Water mobs lvl 92 or 93)

    I have to say that i got my Ultis LvL 10 so far and also all of my other attack skills (except hailstorm) maxed. I also got Sage spam skills ( gush , pyro , stonerain) and sage divine pyro
    atm im wearing a TT90 Magic Sword but when i did the Mobs there i used my 79 Glaive

    Normally i grind solo until i have full chi or at least enough to normal spark -->ulti before i do the AOE killing. At the End i'll list Pros and Cons of this killing method

    Pros:
    application for Ultis in PVE
    less hits taken compared to DB/Zhenn grinding
    lower repair costs
    Cons:
    longer interval between pulls comared to DB = 1Spark vs 3+ Sparks
    more mana intensive compared to solo grinding where 3spark = +20% mana
    Requires Elemental Shell
    only possible in certain areas ( you have to find places where a bunch of mobs stand next to eachother)
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