Demon Masteries Crit Stack?

Mustang_Roy - Archosaur
Mustang_Roy - Archosaur Posts: 219 Arc User
edited September 2010 in General Discussion
I know there are many threads out there about this, but I have looked at my crit rate with the eye of observation, but I dont see a difference in the added crit. It supposedly stacks according to some of the ppl using the eye of observation. I was wondering how they used it. So far I have only Aqua demon mastery, and I dont see the plus1 in crit compared to my character sheet.

But if only 1crit, it seems demon masteries are horrible in comparison. Its like 9mil for 1crit (because u need 3 books)
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  • Deora - Lost City
    Deora - Lost City Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur wrote: »
    I know there are many threads out there about this, but I have looked at my crit rate with the eye of observation, but I dont see a difference in the added crit. It supposedly stacks according to some of the ppl using the eye of observation. I was wondering how they used it. So far I have only Aqua demon mastery, and I dont see the plus1 in crit compared to my character sheet.

    But if only 1crit, it seems demon masteries are horrible in comparison. Its like 9mil for 1crit (because u need 3 books)

    lol you're a demon wizard.

    Tbh I remember seeing a thread about it somewhere and I don't remember what the result of it was...
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur wrote: »
    I know there are many threads out there about this, but I have looked at my crit rate with the eye of observation, but I dont see a difference in the added crit. It supposedly stacks according to some of the ppl using the eye of observation. I was wondering how they used it. So far I have only Aqua demon mastery, and I dont see the plus1 in crit compared to my character sheet.

    But if only 1crit, it seems demon masteries are horrible in comparison. Its like 9mil for 1crit (because u need 3 books)

    The particular crits do not stack, they only stack with the same element of the spells you are using. Just like Demon BM masteries, I don't get 4% crit total from them, I get 1% extra crit with each different weapon I have that particular mastery for.
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    What mike said, tired of people saying crit masteries stack..you only gain additional crit from what ever type of weapon/element skill you use.
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  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    The particular crits do not stack, they only stack with the same element of the spells you are using. Just like Demon BM masteries, I don't get 4% crit total from them, I get 1% extra crit with each different weapon I have that particular mastery for.

    hmmm i new it lolz at the peeps who sayed they stack to meb:laugh
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  • Mustang_Roy - Archosaur
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Yea i would think so too.....cause 3 crit is a bit overkill especially since wiz has the best crit being the hardest hitter. Just wondering since ppl posted screens of 20crit wizards, with gear and the "3 bonus crit" listed, however, they might just be using genies or something. From wat I see, eye of observation dont add the extra crit......so I want to know how they have 20crit on the screenshot.
  • Mustang_Roy - Archosaur
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    However, we should not jump to conclusions since I asked the GM via ticket, and they are not sure either.
  • Lenore - Harshlands
    Lenore - Harshlands Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    I am pretty sure the reason those crit boosts are not added to your stats is that they only work for the mastery they are meant for. For example, demon archer passives only boost crit for ranged attacks. The crit on your stat page is a hard stat that is included in ALL your attacks.
  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur wrote: »
    I know there are many threads out there about this, but I have looked at my crit rate with the eye of observation, but I dont see a difference in the added crit. It supposedly stacks according to some of the ppl using the eye of observation. I was wondering how they used it. So far I have only Aqua demon mastery, and I dont see the plus1 in crit compared to my character sheet.

    But if only 1crit, it seems demon masteries are horrible in comparison. Its like 9mil for 1crit (because u need 3 books)

    Ask yourself this, does the 5% damage increase from sage masteries stack?
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  • Mustang_Roy - Archosaur
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    The sage mastery description specifically says increase of their respective elements, but the demon masteries do not.
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    SneakyStalk - Harshlands Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited September 2010
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur wrote: »
    The sage mastery description specifically says increase of their respective elements, but the demon masteries do not.

    We all know by now how inaccurate skill descriptions can be.
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  • Mustang_Roy - Archosaur
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Also note that in the other 3 versions on ecatomb website, 2 of them seem to imply that the crit stack, "when using magic attack", and 1 increases each element by 2 percent
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    They stack. There was a thread in the wizard forum with a guy killing thousands of rams with hailstorm and AOEs.

    It's even obvious. Clerics get 2% crit per mastery because they only have 1 mastery. Wizards and psychics get 1% since they have 3 masteries and 2 masteries (respectively).

    Otherwise it makes no sense and I'm surprised people even wonder if it stacks or not. Sage masteries for clerics is the same as the ones for wizards and psychics... if the demon ones didn't stack, why would clerics have a better demon mastery ONLY compared to wizards or psys? Of course it stacks.

    Why do you think it doesn't show up in character sheet? Because it's only for magic attacks. The crit in the character sheet applies to your auto-attacks too... b:bye
  • Kyleran - Raging Tide
    Kyleran - Raging Tide Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    There are many threads in wizard forum section regarding Demon Mastery Crit.. as it was unclear earlier in Demon mastery description.. and in recent patches updates they made it clear in mastery description " improves magical crit rate " and not alone for one element

    So they do stack +3% crit b:pleased
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  • Lupumid - Sanctuary
    Lupumid - Sanctuary Posts: 326 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    They have to stack otherwise demon barb wouldn't make sense.

    Shapeshifting Intensity
    Demon version gives a critical hit rate increase of 2%.

    Axe and Hammer Mastery
    Demon version gives a critical hit rate increase of 2%.

    Now if I'm not mistaken when your in tiger your using axes. The axe and hammer mastery works for the damage so it wouldn't make sense that it wouldn't stack crit with intensity as both are active in true form.
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  • ArchAngel - Dreamweaver
    ArchAngel - Dreamweaver Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur wrote: »
    However, we should not jump to conclusions since I asked the GM via ticket, and they are not sure either.

    How can they be not sure? Can't they ask the devs on our behalf? Seriously, I question the competency of the GM replying to the ticket.
  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They have to stack otherwise demon barb wouldn't make sense.

    Shapeshifting Intensity
    Demon version gives a critical hit rate increase of 2%.

    Axe and Hammer Mastery
    Demon version gives a critical hit rate increase of 2%.

    Now if I'm not mistaken when your in tiger your using axes. The axe and hammer mastery works for the damage so it wouldn't make sense that it wouldn't stack crit with intensity as both are active in true form.

    Slightly different example there, because you're meeting the requirements of both masteries, so therefore you would receive both bonuses. While the question about wizard masteries is that they apply to different elements, so the conditions cannot be met on multiple masteries at the same time for wizards.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    They stack. There was a thread in the wizard forum with a guy killing thousands of rams with hailstorm and AOEs.

    It's even obvious. Clerics get 2% crit per mastery because they only have 1 mastery. Wizards and psychics get 1% since they have 3 masteries and 2 masteries (respectively).

    Otherwise it makes no sense and I'm surprised people even wonder if it stacks or not. Sage masteries for clerics is the same as the ones for wizards and psychics... if the demon ones didn't stack, why would clerics have a better demon mastery ONLY compared to wizards or psys? Of course it stacks.

    Why do you think it doesn't show up in character sheet? Because it's only for magic attacks. The crit in the character sheet applies to your auto-attacks too... b:bye

    Because they be clerics and as such they do less damage so a slightly greater increase be less noticeable.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Mustang_Roy - Archosaur wrote: »
    However, we should not jump to conclusions since I asked the GM via ticket, and they are not sure either.

    nothing to see here, move along please.
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  • Nuff_Said - Raging Tide
    Nuff_Said - Raging Tide Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    All we can go off of is the skill description "Demon version increases critical hit rate by 1%". The description used to say increases critical rate when using earth skills (could be water or fire depending on which you learned). We have to assume that since they changed the description that they changed how it works. So based off of what the skill says, YES they stack.

    No one really knows the truth here since our Devs don't even give a clear answer to the question at hand.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    doesnt make any sense for classes that get crit and have other element attributes than their mastery

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