REAL Fist BM Question... >.>
Esquire - Lost City
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Ok, Squaddies. Lemme ask you all a serious question, before you flame the **** out of me, as 90% of people on this forum do.
I presently own all the mats, and gear (all waiting in bank QQ) to be a full str build BM at lvl 100, with all TT99 Gold HA and Nirvana Axes. I'll even have 25% crit with the build I've planned. Now here's the thing tho.
I've been planning this build forever, and have spend about $3,000 towards it. But here's the thing. Everybody and their uncle is going 5aps fist at 99/100, and I am made to feel like dual axe path is teh suxxorz now, and I'm not cool, no one will like me or pt me or anything, unless I become a full -int fist bm at endgame.
Personally, I think building Nirvana-Invincible Smoker axes at 100 will be pretty, wick, but will I even get any respect as a bm on the server anymore?
It's like, the pressure to be an -int fist dood is too huge!
I presently own all the mats, and gear (all waiting in bank QQ) to be a full str build BM at lvl 100, with all TT99 Gold HA and Nirvana Axes. I'll even have 25% crit with the build I've planned. Now here's the thing tho.
I've been planning this build forever, and have spend about $3,000 towards it. But here's the thing. Everybody and their uncle is going 5aps fist at 99/100, and I am made to feel like dual axe path is teh suxxorz now, and I'm not cool, no one will like me or pt me or anything, unless I become a full -int fist bm at endgame.
Personally, I think building Nirvana-Invincible Smoker axes at 100 will be pretty, wick, but will I even get any respect as a bm on the server anymore?
It's like, the pressure to be an -int fist dood is too huge!
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Esquire - Lost City wrote: »Ok, Squaddies. Lemme ask you all a serious question, before you flame the **** out of me, as 90% of people on this forum do.
1) I presently own all the mats, and gear (all waiting in bank QQ) to be a full str build BM at lvl 100, with all TT99 Gold HA and Nirvana Axes. I'll even have 25% crit with the build I've planned. Now here's the thing tho.
2) I've been planning this build forever, and have spend about $3,000 towards it. But here's the thing. Everybody and their uncle is going 5aps fist at 99/100, and I am made to feel like dual axe path is teh suxxorz now, and I'm not cool,3) no one will like me or pt me or anything, unless I become a full -int fist bm at endgame.
Personally, I think building Nirvana-Invincible Smoker axes at 100 will be pretty, wick, but 4) will I even get any respect as a bm on the server anymore?
It's like, the pressure to be an -int fist dood is too huge!
I will try not to flame you.
1) Str build is considered a bad idea. Your HP will be bad (not a problem with your build) and you will have hard time hitting your targets. You can still manage PvP with your build though, but it would be better to use 3 str / 2 dex per level build. More accuracy is the key word here.
2) Wow 3k USD is a lot considering the fact that you are only 78 and can't use your items before 99/100. Leveling is fast with hypers but still.
3) Getting a squad can be hard since your damage is nowhere near good as it would be with a fist -int build. It shouldn't be that big of a problem though; get a nice group of friends and you should be fine.
4) No, you won't get any respect with that build but honestly, you should get your reputation because of your PK/PvE skills, not because you CS'd your gear.
It's never too late to go 3 str 2 dex per level, use your armors and axes and just add -int gear. Also, can you use PWcalc to show us your plan for 100 with refines/shards included? Or at least make a complete list of things.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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As already pointed out, you are totally capable still at 78 to alter your path to a mix of axe fist.
In fact if choosen to do this, you probably have an easier path then most, because you will not be looking at a restat then, but a long term alteration now. There is nothing wrong with a well balanced build that will allow you to use both axes and fists at 100. If anything, it will broaden what you are capable of doing because you will have more options being able to use all weapons on level.
A lot of people will say this or that, but what it comes down to is how you want to play your own character, which at the end of the day, is what you are doing, so why listen to everyone else.
Easiest way for you to figure out your numbers, take what you know you want to end up with, and work it backwards from there.
Nirvana axes - req 302 Str
Lunar Decides - req 193 Dex ( round it to 200 for the % crit )
start with these numbers, and work back, make sure to add in whatever tome you will be using, int cape, so on as well as set bonus to min/max your build ( tho if Nirvana you will not have any ) as well as any ords you know you plan to use. These will give you numbers to adjust your build to as you are leveling now.0 -
Esquire - Lost City wrote: »Ok, Squaddies. Lemme ask you all a serious question, before you flame the **** out of me, as 90% of people on this forum do.
I presently own all the mats, and gear (all waiting in bank QQ) to be a full str build BM at lvl 100, with all TT99 Gold HA and Nirvana Axes. I'll even have 25% crit with the build I've planned. Now here's the thing tho.
I've been planning this build forever, and have spend about $3,000 towards it. But here's the thing. Everybody and their uncle is going 5aps fist at 99/100, and I am made to feel like dual axe path is teh suxxorz now, and I'm not cool, no one will like me or pt me or anything, unless I become a full -int fist bm at endgame.
Personally, I think building Nirvana-Invincible Smoker axes at 100 will be pretty, wick, but will I even get any respect as a bm on the server anymore?
It's like, the pressure to be an -int fist dood is too huge!
Wow... all that gear and you can't use it yet. Ouch. Well at least you have it I guess...
Nirvana axes at 100 will give you the option to use them in PvP. Highly refined Nirvana axes hurt. Badly.
Unless your plan is to TW, I'd avoid going vit build. With end-game gear and decent refines you won't need to be vit build.
Just stat 200 dex and the rest to strength.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Esquire - Lost City wrote: »Ok, Squaddies. Lemme ask you all a serious question, before you flame the **** out of me, as 90% of people on this forum do.
I presently own all the mats, and gear (all waiting in bank QQ) to be a full str build BM at lvl 100, with all TT99 Gold HA and Nirvana Axes. I'll even have 25% crit with the build I've planned. Now here's the thing tho.
I've been planning this build forever, and have spend about $3,000 towards it. But here's the thing. Everybody and their uncle is going 5aps fist at 99/100, and I am made to feel like dual axe path is teh suxxorz now, and I'm not cool, no one will like me or pt me or anything, unless I become a full -int fist bm at endgame.
Personally, I think building Nirvana-Invincible Smoker axes at 100 will be pretty, wick, but will I even get any respect as a bm on the server anymore?
It's like, the pressure to be an -int fist dood is too huge!
you can use both
to use lunar claws you'll want about 200 dex with gear
and for nirrvana axes a little over 300 str
now with gear this leaves a lot of room to add str/vit at endgame so all you need to do in combine a decent int setup with your axe build
HA wrists/boots nirvana chest/pants -.05 cape tome and lunar claws for your int setup will cost you nothign from your axe setup
since you want dex for crit and acc the armor setup is already needed and the time is a must have for any class/build sins it just gives so many stat points to add to your build almost no sarifice on HP if you free point to vit and you can farm additional gear/refine your currents with the int setup
axes realyl are bad at endgame DPS wise but the g 15 nirvana will still be rather nice for pvp spke damage + you can add lunar pole with this setup purge pole(attack speed = more purgeing)
respect wise...theres enough idiots around that if you go ful axe +15 g 15 there will be a line of em waiting to suck on your manhood so its all about if you want to maximize your bm or notGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Here's the best build I can afford:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a67ef0d203b22fb3
All that Nirvana pole and Deicide talk is good for wishful thinking, but this is all I can go with, as I've already got the helm, cape and tome, and the mats for the rest.
It's tough that you pretty much HAVE to be an -int fist at 100, when this build was what I've been going for for like forever. Q_Q0 -
picking more than 1 path only makes your bm more flexible and enjoyable... you should really try other paths besides axes.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Esquire - Lost City wrote: »Here's the best build I can afford:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a67ef0d203b22fb3
All that Nirvana pole and Deicide talk is good for wishful thinking, but this is all I can go with, as I've already got the helm, cape and tome, and the mats for the rest.
It's tough that you pretty much HAVE to be an -int fist at 100, when this build was what I've been going for for like forever. Q_Q
you have asked the fourums have answered now make the minor changes needed or go on heedless of the advice you asked for the amount of $ or existign gear has nothing to do with your 3 questions
1> are axes as useful las fists endgame (no but still usefull as hell)
2>how would you make this change (listed 3x above)
3>will this make my e-peen big (you have spent 3k on the game your on pwi male enhancement pills)Gifs are hard to make work here0 -
Esquire - Lost City wrote: »Here's the best build I can afford:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a67ef0d203b22fb3
All that Nirvana pole and Deicide talk is good for wishful thinking, but this is all I can go with, as I've already got the helm, cape and tome, and the mats for the rest.
It's tough that you pretty much HAVE to be an -int fist at 100, when this build was what I've been going for for like forever. Q_Q
Don't bother getting Lionheart ornaments. Get magic ornaments.
P.S. Nirvana poles suck. My first BM started as pole only, but pole has become a rarely used support weapon on my new BM. If it's going to be side arm, might as well be useful, so I'm getting 99 purge spear.0 -
I'd say only go with the whole lionheart thing, if you wanna be a crit build, which is rare. The only thing to remember with all HA, is that sage marrow magical is a must, as it'll put both phys and mag defenses at about 7000.
Then you gotta be ready to pop that sucker when u need it.0 -
Esquire - Lost City wrote: »All that Nirvana pole
/facepalm
Nirvana pole is horrible. The main adds:
Determination: Has a chance to stun opponent for 5 seconds but also freeze yourself for 10 seconds.
Darken: Has a chance to freeze and seal
the enemy.
Square Formation: A wonderful battle formation.
Has a higher chance to cause Immobilize and Silence effects.
Death's Will: Has a higher chance to Stun target for 5 seconds.
Immobilizes you for 10 seconds.
Just get a 99 debuff spear if you're going to use polearmDarth_rambo - Lost City wrote: »I'd say only go with the whole lionheart thing, if you wanna be a crit build, which is rare. The only thing to remember with all HA, is that sage marrow magical is a must, as it'll put both phys and mag defenses at about 7000.
*sigh*
Going 6 piece 99 HA set is just idiotic. Unless, you shard sapphires instead of citrines or vit stones.
Demon with mmarrow I have over 10k pdfe/mdef... and my ornaments are only +5.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
$3,000?!
Holy cow...and I thought I was nuts by spending $300 (mostly on vanity items >_>;;)Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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i look at it this way what ever is best but i love my fistsb:laughb:laugh0
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OK Michael, so what if I take your advice and shard sapphires? What's so idiotic about 25% crit?
Please elaborate on your build advice a bit more for me, as I actually trust your opinion more than others I've seen on the forums.0 -
Nothing idiotic about 25% crit, pleny things idiotic about giving up huge amount of magic def for 3% crit.0
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Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Nothing idiotic about 25% crit, pleny things idiotic about giving up huge amount of magic def for 3% crit.
this^
also before you ask (you seem the type) LA ornaments bad anyone useing these should be shuned by the bm comunity as a whole to prevent a spread in the infestation
quarintine and let a wizzie bids em all
Gifs are hard to make work here0 -
Fist do a load of damage with - int gear I must agree.
With Fist skills you are able interupt target channeling, increase your own attack speed, meaning more damage. Fist is amazing for 1 vs 1.
Axe offer you Stun, Heaven Flame, AoE, slow down target.
Polearm offer you a longer range which will help you against kiters.
Fist,Axe and Polearm have their pro and con.
Switching weapon is instant. Why dont you use all 3? it will allow you to control the situation and you will be the winner.
It will cost more coins but trust me, it worth it.0 -
Esquire - Lost City wrote: »OK Michael, so what if I take your advice and shard sapphires? What's so idiotic about 25% crit?
Please elaborate on your build advice a bit more for me, as I actually trust your opinion more than others I've seen on the forums.Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Nothing idiotic about 25% crit, pleny things idiotic about giving up huge amount of magic def for 3% crit.
this ^^
As long as you compensate for it you'll be fine... but to get that extra 4% crit, you'll end up losing about 800-1200 mdef depending on refines, which is pretty significant for a BM. You would need to shard at least 8 Sapphire Gems to make up for it, and in doing so, you'd end up losing about 320-400 hp off your build to get that crit and maintain your mdef... more if you ever planned on using vit stones.
At end-game and full gears, if you've statted correctly you'll be at 21% (or 22% crit if you get Warsong Belt)... those few extra crit will cost you survivability. It's not as if you need it for DPS or PK either. You will need the mdef.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
A build with a few changes to yours
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0ab4b6addb731f83
note I took out all your vit, and removed both lionheart ornaments as they are wasteful for a BM, I put on the standard elemental ornaments (4th past belt and hh90 gold) also note till you get 4th past belt use the demon slaughter belt its not quite as good but its still a very nice elemental ornament.
If you are going to spank people with axes you may as well do as much damage as possible because with axes you kill people on the spikes high crits after dragons etc, so I dropped your vit to 3 and added a pile of ST, note you are lacking accuracy rings you should have a misty (+50% acc) hotkeyed to replace your 2nd ring when fighting archers/fist bms vs mages your base accuracy will be fine.
Note your an axe build so try to get the 2nd recast and zerk for even more spike damage.
For pve you will not be tanking so to maximise your usefulness to a squad get dark flash claw level 70 (around 300k) and use it to charge 2 sparks so you can dragon every 30 seconds, for the rest of the 30 seconds you can hit with your axes, but make sure you always have chi when dragon cools down.
you can go either sage or demon (I prefer demon as our marrows are more balancing rather then pushing 1 stat over the edge allowing better marrow switching in pvp depending on how many you are up against and the damage each does).
the left ring is from CoA and its a very useful ring as it refines mdef (not as useful as a lunar ring which comes with acc, crit and mdef).
for TW most bms use axes for the majority of the time (I use fists for bolt, and single target chi recharging (also tends to kill the target lol) while roar is on CD), even low refine axes can hurt if the opponents are stunned and dragoned.
get bolt of tyresus even as an axe BM as chain locking someone with just 100% stun/immobilises is amusing especially when you can hold a falling target for 20+ seconds in the air.
Typical holding chain, Roar > Occult Ice > Drakes Bash > Bolt of tyresus > Roar each stun lasts 6 seconds and can be chained together effortlessly as they are all different status effects and can hence overlap this allows them to be used on targets falling with their wings off as once the first stun lands all the others will unless Occult misses, I have used the above combo to hold dropping archers while I killed them, or simply to hold the strongest opponent while my squad nuked the others.
I would recommend aiming for higher refines for better HP or even simply recasting chest and legs for the +5 attack level and higher refine rate.0 -
Michael - Harshlands wrote: »A build with a few changes to yours
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0ab4b6addb731f83
note I took out all your vit, and removed both lionheart ornaments as they are wasteful for a BM, I put on the standard elemental ornaments (4th past belt and hh90 gold) also note till you get 4th past belt use the demon slaughter belt its not quite as good but its still a very nice elemental ornament.
If you are going to spank people with axes you may as well do as much damage as possible because with axes you kill people on the spikes high crits after dragons etc, so I dropped your vit to 3 and added a pile of ST, note you are lacking accuracy rings you should have a misty (+50% acc) hotkeyed to replace your 2nd ring when fighting archers/fist bms vs mages your base accuracy will be fine.
Note your an axe build so try to get the 2nd recast and zerk for even more spike damage.
Hey Michael, that's actually pretty amazing advice. Nice to see others here providing excellent opinions.
Of course with the amount he plans on spending, I would be a little more ambitious with the build, as he can get Decides first and farm a lot of what he needs through lower fbs and nirvana runs... Having either TT100 or Deicides makes it a lot easier to make money in small squads, so a lot of what he can do with his build depending on his time schedule. I'd go with Deicides as they can later be sold if you don't bind them and do plan on going Nirvana claws. (I wouldn't use them to recast, I used TT99 gold for mine).the left ring is from CoA and its a very useful ring as it refines mdef (not as useful as a lunar ring which comes with acc, crit and mdef).
I wouldn't say less useful, just for a different build. A 200 dex BM isn't going to need much more accuracy against archers, you can also use accuracy pots. Unless you're facing really highly refined high HP archers, accuracy won't be much of an issue.
If you can tisha the CoA ring past +6, you're getting more mdef from it than the Lunar ring. You're also getting 8 dex which can be restat to strength and +105-120 hp, which are both really nice to have. If I can hit past 10k on refines and shards, I would probably go with a 2nd Lunar ring, but I'm perfectly happy with 1 Lunar and 1 CoA ring. The +stats on it really do help in DD and the mdef and HP at a touch more survivability. So it's really more about personal preference than what is better.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Hey Michael. Been following your take on fists lately, and you convinced me. I've been playing with annihilator fists for a while, but took the plunge.
Bought me some gorenox vanities, +5'd them, got a lvl 11 fist mastery, and maxed shadowless kick just for fun, then went out to murder a few mobs...
Man, do they die fast compared to my hh90 axes! Totally worth going fist and axe for me this far...
Esquire, take these people's advice. I haven't been this giddy pwi'ing in a while. Totally worth investing in fist path. Now, 5aps might be a bit expensive for me, but if you're going to drop thousands, might as well go towards that as much as you can. The effectiveness is worth trying. I'm sold FTW.
Now to try them on pk... b:surrender0
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